I'd love to hear from the experienced users of this widely varying selection of products and vendors what has been thought out as rough equivalences?

I know currently Instant Gentleman from Androtics is not available, and that dbot indicated that ab alternative from Alpha Dream may be considered, so so...

I'd love to see something like this for any substitutable products, whatever you want to contribute, the more info the better, I really see the personal reasons and the price comparison as valuable, and links would be very useful to new folks who may not not know where to look :

(who says so and why/how in what ways)
dbot (?) says Instant Gentleman can be replaced with THDOC 5-beta because yadda yadda yadda

(vendor, product, price, size, concentration if applicable)
Androtics Instant Gentleman $39.95 for 30 ml
(links!)
http://androticsdirect.com/product.php?p...t=1&page=1
(please but optional if you want to do the math, I think it is a great comparison if the info is available and you would take 30 seconds to work it out )
3000 mcg in 30 ml = ~ $.013 per mcg, 15 mcg per spray = ~ $.20 per spray

Alpha Dream THDOC (5-beta) $45.00 for 10mg/10mL
http://alpha-dream.3dcartstores.com/THDO...0-170.html
10000 mcg (? really?) in 10 ml = ~ $.005 per mcg, ? mcg per 20 ml drop = ~ $? per drop


Putting equivalences and substitutes and similarities together in a single thread can allow linking to specific info from other threads and make a lot less typing too if folks are interested in contributing.

Thanks!

Beta TH-DOC is a candidate for a P83 substitute, not Instant Gentleman.

Unless you're an Androtics "Reporting User," P83 is going to cost you $999 for 500mcg, or $1.99 per microgram. If you are a reporting user, the same quantity will cost you $14, which is 2.8 cents per microgram.

Beta TH-DOC from Alpha Dream costs $45 for 10,000mcg, or $0.0045 per microgram. There are about 22mcg per drop, so each drop costs a little under 10 cents. A typical dose will therefore cost you 10-20 cents, versus $0.60-$1.20 of P83 at RU prices or $44-$88 at non-RU prices.

This is particularly interesting because Androtics claims to sell their putatives at a loss to reporting users.

Instant Gentleman is usually thought to be primarily Androsterone. I think it is likely a mix of Androsterone and epi-Androsterone, maybe with whatever "steering pheromones" they happen to have lying around the lab on the day it's made.

For the sake of argument, let's suppose that Instant Gentleman is equal parts Androsterone and epi-Androsterone. Their site states that each spray contains 15mcg, which we will call 7.5mcg Androsterone and 7.5mcg epi-Androsterone. That one 15mcg spray costs 20 cents.

10mg of Androsterone from Alpha Dream costs just $15, and 10mg of epi-Androsterone costs just $10. One drop of each of those gives you about 22mcg of pheromone, nearly three times what would be needed for a single spray if you were creating an Instant Gentleman equivalent. That one drop of Androsterone would cost you a little over three cents, and the one drop of epi-Androsterone would cost you a little more than two cents. Total cost for three sprays worth is about 5.5 cents, so each spray costs about 1.8 cents. That doesn't take into account the costs of the spray bottle, alcohol, fixative, and fragrance, which likely more than double the cost of the pheromones. So figure each spray will cost you about 4 cents, or one fifth of what you would pay for Instant Gentleman.

Boo-ya! That's wat i'm talkin about!

what else?

(07-09-2011 8:04 PM)2Soon2Care Wrote:  Boo-ya! That's wat i'm talkin about!

what else?

I love your suggestions, that was exactly what i was thinkin,now its more easy to make some choices.

And thanks to dbot too,and like 2Soon2Care said,what else?

Wolf is like an improved version of MX103 which worked well but stank and burnt out after a few hours.

Yay! More more more!

(07-10-2011 8:30 AM)Rattlesnake Wrote:  Wolf is improved version of MX103 which worked well but stank and burnt out after a few hours.

Excuse my ignorance... Is that a fact or a supposition? If 10 is no doubts and 1 i guess i´m right... how would you rate you certainty about Wollf being Mx103?

I have never tried MX103, but i have been using wolf for about a week and I´m really likeing it. I was kind of surpreised when you said that they were the same.

Thanks.

Talk to you soon

My bad, I didn't mean to say that they were one and the same. The thread was about product equivalents, so I was trying to say that Wolf would be the equivalent to MX103 in effects. Not that they were the same

I'll edit my other message to make it clearer.

No worries.

I guess your point is clear now. Thanks for your feedback.

Talk to you soon.