Ramdom thought of the day - all products should be Androstenone free because the amount of Androstenone a person needs is such an individual thing. The amount of Androstenone in a product can make or break a product for an individual.

In my dream pheromone world all products would not have any Androstenone. But Androstenone would be sold separately in spray, oil, and gel form. Each person can then discover what base amount of Androstenone is best for them and then pick from the whole array of Androstenone-free products on the market to combine with their Androstenone application.

The same could be said fur Arone too. You can easily buffer none with nols anyway.

I agree.Some vendors do use too much Androstenone. Would be nice they lower it or replace it with something else(p75).You can always use some est/Alpha Androstenol to buffer.

(Yesterday 12:09 AM)jb20 Wrote:  I agree.Some vendors do use too much Androstenone. Would be nice they lower it or replace it with something else(p75).You can always use some est/Alpha Androstenol to buffer.

P75 is, if anything, far more problematic than Androstenone. EST overbuffers Androstenone, turning a potentially good mix into a mediocre one. Alpha -nol isn't the best Androstenone buffer either.

If you can't handle the Androstenone content in a mix, use P96. With this, you can handle seemingly infinite amounts of Androstenone. I have to discover a dose of Androstenone P96 can't buffer - you could probably spray an entire bottle of Z69 before getting to that point! Just a thought.

All molecules can be said to be an individual thing, especially those molecules we produce ourselves, but that's part of the reason why we have so many mixes on the market. If you want a molecule designed for your own body chemistry, you'll have to formulate it yourself.

(Yesterday 3:46 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  P75 is, if anything, far more problematic than Androstenone. EST overbuffers Androstenone, turning a potentially good mix into a mediocre one. Alpha -nol isn't the best Androstenone buffer either.

If you can't handle the Androstenone content in a mix, use P96. With this, you can handle seemingly infinite amounts of Androstenone. I have to discover a dose of Androstenone P96 can't buffer - you could probably spray an entire bottle of Z69 before getting to that point! Just a thought.

All molecules can be said to be an individual thing, especially those molecules we produce ourselves, but that's part of the reason why we have so many mixes on the market. If you want a molecule designed for your own body chemistry, you'll have to formulate it yourself.

Are you saying P96 buffers the -none to the point of no intimidation without negating the sexua, aspect of -none?

@Ekscentra For me, p75(<=2.5mcg) works much better than Androstenone.I use very small amount of est(0.125mcg/5mcg of Androstenone).P96 is the best none moderator, but due to quality control issues and price it is not very good option for some(I got 30ml+5ml @25mcg ,30ml @100 mcg/spray).

If you are lazy,you could always use some glace or x22.

@SeekingSuccess p96 makes social/attraction to sexual transition much smoother.As long as you use at least 25mcg,you should be able to get rid of most of the ill effects from Androstenone.

Ekscentra and jb20, you have piqued my interest in P96. Can you tell me, have you tried P96 from XS? Is it as effective as AD's?

(Yesterday 9:03 PM)SeekingSuccess Wrote:  Are you saying P96 buffers the -none to the point of no intimidation without negating the sexua, aspect of -none?

Yup, that's precisely what I'm saying. It's the perfect Androstenone buffer - all of the positives of Androstenone without any of the negatives.

(Yesterday 11:38 PM)jb20 Wrote:  @Ekscentra For me, p75(<=2.5mcg) works much better than Androstenone.I use very small amount of est(0.125mcg/5mcg of Androstenone).P96 is the best none moderator, but due to quality control issues and price it is not very good option for some(I got 30ml+5ml @25mcg ,30ml @100 mcg/spray).

If you are lazy,you could always use some glace or x22.

@SeekingSuccess p96 makes social/attraction to sexual transition much smoother.As long as you use at least 25mcg,you should be able to get rid of most of the ill effects from Androstenone.

Fair enough, but P75 doesn't even resemble Androstenone for me. There may be somewhat of a sexual vibe going on there, but it feels pushy without any sense of urgency (where straight Androstenone feels both pushy and urgent), not the best combination in my opinion. 500ng or so brings it more into attractant territory, and it's much more agreeable at this dose. As far as Androstenone alternatives go, P78, P81, and P126 are some of the more promising candidates. Androstatrione is another possibility, but its sexuality once again does not resemble that of Androstenone (neither does P78, for that matter). P77 AKA Pregnenolone Sulfate is a commonly cited candidate, but it can be problematic both in dosing and in combining with other molecules, and sexual effects aren't any easier to buffer than Androstenone itself.

I haven't heard of any QC issues with P96, but Androtics is notorious for QC issues. I'd certainly like to see this molecule become cheaper and more sustainable. Generating more interest may eventually result in a price drop, as synthesis methods continually improve. Even now, the price is still worth it for many of us.

That's a great amount of EST to be using. By the time you get to the dose used in a single spray of Evolve (7.5mcg, supposedly), you'd be using 150mcg Androstenone! How has this worked for you at various doses?

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(Today 7:58 AM)raikahoken Wrote:  Ekscentra and jb20, you have piqued my interest in P96. Can you tell me, have you tried P96 from XS? Is it as effective as AD's?

I have not. Steve seems to have gotten much better at identifying the putatives, so it's possible what he's selling really is P96. Try it out - chances are, it'll be just as effective as the Androtics version.

(Today 1:14 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  That's a great amount of EST to be using. By the time you get to the dose used in a single spray of Evolve (7.5mcg, supposedly), you'd be using 150mcg est?! How has this worked for you at various doses?

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I meant 0.125mcg(125ng) per 5mcg Androstenone when needed.As for evolve,it already has Alpha Androstenol,Beta Androstenol and est.I normally use half a spray or 1 spray+25mcg of p96.