I'm wondering how pronounced the right or wrong mones can be on hormonal levels.

I'm 44 i've always had low test.. I'm on androgel.. I'm in normal range now though i'd probably say closer to the low end than middle since i'm rarely having intercourse more than once a week. I'm find my recovery is best this way and I feel the healthiest.

Now here is something about mones.

1 drop NA and 20 mcg Androstadienone and I feel a deep bond with my gf. She feels close to me and even tells me shes horny all of a sudden 15 min after exposure. The night progresses. We both talk like we can speak about anything.

We proceed to sex but there is a problem. (I had taken my usual Cialis as planned) but the NA was MAKING ME feel more in the mood to cuddle and bond than fuck. Now I hear it has these effects on women but it is even pronounced in me the wearer. I find I have difficulty thinking of her in a lustful way (Though when I wear other mones or no mones I don't), as the conversation all night and into bed has been so lubby dubby.

As an older man I even had the hardest time in my life focusing on the pleasure of physical sex when NA is on me. I feel emotional bond.

End result.. It was damn very difficult to get an erection, when I finally did it wasn't that hard, and when I fucked her I tried everything to get me more excited. Thinking of other women I lust for etc but I had the hardest time staying hard and even cumming..

Now many may say this is not mones but I think the NA Androstadienone is responsible.

Get this.. Just last week I wore l2k v1. Not only did I have LUSTFUL thoughts for women in general, but WITHOUT any Cialis in my blood by the 8 hr mark of l2k on my skin I hard an iron hard erection that lasted 3 hrs , and I couldn't even fall asleep that night.

So go figure, the right or wrong mones are triggering either changes in hormonal responses causing great/poor sex drive erections, or changes in my behavior / thought process effecting sex drive and erections.

Now whoever says mones are 10% are obviously not in my shoes. The difference in mones on those two nights were like night and day. I'd say 30-40% difference.

With NA Androstadienone and Cialis I had hard time getting up, thinking lustfully and even cuming (all after 1 week without sex). With l2k v1 1 spray I had lustful thoughts and got it up for hours without any Cialis in me for over a week and was iron hard and 1-1.5 inches longer than the day I wore NA Androstadienone .

So in the name of science, how do you explain this?

Androstadienone probably causes all sorts of hormonal shifts. Especially in the doses most people use. Surprised L2K didn't cause issues.

NA definitely has that effect psychologically if you're not the right mindset but never had a physical issues...

(07-07-2014 11:39 PM)pharoahman Wrote:  Androstadienone probably causes all sorts of hormonal shifts. Especially in the doses most people use. Surprised L2K didn't cause issues.

NA definitely has that effect psychologically if you're not the right mindset but never had a physical issues...

l2k from what ive read has been reported with many depression issues, for those that dont tho, its a great product.

NA is some crazy shit that ive never got a grasp of before 90% of my bottle leaked. ive had an alpha friend that im don't know too well saying this is weird when he was in my cloud and we were alone then he started complimenting me lol.

Guys I have a feeling any lubby dubby mones like NA, true love, Androstadienone will neuter me. I get affected very easily on a hormonal level. My experience above is proof.

Androstadienone in AM or l2k doesn't seem to neuter me if worn infrequently.

I will try having sex with Am on next,

(07-07-2014 11:39 PM)pharoahman Wrote:  Androstadienone probably causes all sorts of hormonal shifts. Especially in the doses most people use. Surprised L2K didn't cause issues.

NA definitely has that effect psychologically if you're not the right mindset but never had a physical issues...

Didn't get any depression off the 20 MCG Androstadienone from lal..Felt energized that night.. Also l2k didn't give me depression but kept me up all night.

So I know depression wasn't a part of the problem.

Until I figure out what is going on with these mones psychologically and physiologically I will only use alpha mones.. Am, taboo, l2k, AV, api , etc and stay away from any beta products..

I have to be VERY careful with Androstadienone , as it turns me into a woman. I get all cuddly and loving with it on, and also prevents me from getting an erection. I'm also talking a higher dose, maybe 40mcg+, but I am nonetheless sensitive. I think you should stay off the Androstadienone . I don't use it much, and I have great times in the bedroom. I recently have been trying higher dose of Turn Up The Heat and TAC for some fun times based on Pago's recommendation. It definitely results in some had O's, and a great session too.

You can also just try NA with a few drops of New Pheromone Additive. That will be tons of fun.

Have you noticed any attraction level changes by using or not using Andogel with your girlfriend? I have a hot 40YO Mixed Latina co-worker who told me she is completely UNATTRACTED to her boyfriend when he's not using Androgel. BUT, when he's on it, she has an INSANE attraction to him, unlike she has ever had in her life.

(07-09-2014 7:32 AM)xtraspecial Wrote:  I have to be VERY careful with Androstadienone , as it turns me into a woman. I get all cuddly and loving with it on, and also prevents me from getting an erection. I'm also talking a higher dose, maybe 40mcg+, but I am nonetheless sensitive. I think you should stay off the Androstadienone . I don't use it much, and I have great times in the bedroom. I recently have been trying higher dose of Turn Up The Heat and TAC for some fun times based on Pago's recommendation. It definitely results in some had O's, and a great session too.

You can also just try NA with a few drops of New Pheromone Additive. That will be tons of fun.

Have you noticed any attraction level changes by using or not using Andogel with your girlfriend? I have a hot 40YO Mixed Latina co-worker who told me she is completely UNATTRACTED to her boyfriend when he's not using Androgel. BUT, when he's on it, she has an INSANE attraction to him, unlike she has ever had in her life.

NA makes me into a wimp.. the self effects sometimes are so strong I find myself giving hugs to women as soon as I get their number although I KNOW I shouldn't. In essence it makes me act beta.

Adding New Pheromone Additive to it may change my behavior. Instead of hugging maybe i'll be more incline to kino more sexually. All in all I hear New Pheromone Additive is very polarizing and can be great or terrible. Not very stable a product. What is YOUR experience with self effects of NA New Pheromone Additive?

Androgel.. It only makes me feel half decent.. It still hasn't fixed me as I have problems aside from low test like (depression related in the past). But I do use it everyday 7.5 mg.

I don't know I tend to like Androstadienone in AM and l2k.. Doesn't make me act womanly.. Just that AM doesn't make me horny at all as it steer thoughts towards sexy social bonding . In bed I feel like talking, kissing, and cuddling.. But the talking ruins everything.

L2k I definitely don't act womanly. But the sides are terrible... I doubt its the Androstadienone probably something else in it. I only use 1 spray l2k and I think that is significantly less Androstadienone than 2 sprays Am. AM 100 points Androstadienone 1 spray.. So in 2 sprays lets say 200 points.. L2k v1 Androstadienone is 20% more than in AM.. So 1 spray 120 points.. 120 points Androstadienone in l2k v1 1 spray vs 200 points in am 2sprays. You do the math.. It can't be the Androstadienone screwing me up.. I get worse side with l2k so it must be the mix itself or something in it.. The worst problem recently is NOT depression but inability to sleep due to extreme horniness and anxiety.. This ironically happens when I WASH off the product before going to bed.. That's when I get insatiably horny and anxious and toss and turn to the wee hours... If sex doesn't happen or I don't jerk off I will have terrible sleep and awaken the next day completely a mess.

(07-09-2014 6:43 PM)dsouza Wrote:  NA makes me into a wimp.. the self effects sometimes are so strong I find myself giving hugs to women as soon as I get their number although I KNOW I shouldn't. In essence it makes me act beta.

Adding New Pheromone Additive to it may change my behavior. Instead of hugging maybe i'll be more incline to kino more sexually. All in all I hear New Pheromone Additive is very polarizing and can be great or terrible. Not very stable a product. What is YOUR experience with self effects of NA New Pheromone Additive?

Androgel.. It only makes me feel half decent.. It still hasn't fixed me as I have problems aside from low test like (depression related in the past). But I do use it everyday 7.5 mg.

I don't know I tend to like Androstadienone in AM and l2k.. Doesn't make me act womanly.. Just that AM doesn't make me horny at all as it steer thoughts towards sexy social bonding . In bed I feel like talking, kissing, and cuddling.. But the talking ruins everything.

L2k I definitely don't act womanly. But the sides are terrible... I doubt its the Androstadienone probably something else in it. I only use 1 spray l2k and I think that is significantly less Androstadienone than 2 sprays Am. AM 100 points Androstadienone 1 spray.. So in 2 sprays lets say 200 points.. L2k v1 Androstadienone is 20% more than in AM.. So 1 spray 120 points.. 120 points Androstadienone in l2k v1 1 spray vs 200 points in am 2sprays. You do the math.. It can't be the Androstadienone screwing me up.. I get worse side with l2k so it must be the mix itself or something in it.. The worst problem recently is NOT depression but inability to sleep due to extreme horniness and anxiety.. This ironically happens when I WASH off the product before going to bed.. That's when I get insatiably horny and anxious and toss and turn to the wee hours... If sex doesn't happen or I don't jerk off I will have terrible sleep and awaken the next day completely a mess.

My advice is to address the underlying issue: The testosterone. Even older guys generally want testosterone levels aiming for the top third. And libido (and erection strength) is often just as correlated with dopamine levels and other neurotransmitters. Think of test as that which is a master switch/macro level, but micro changes in individual moods is much more neurotransmitter related. And mones definitely affect this. It could also be higher estrogen levels. Often raising test raises est, and people with underlying testosterone issues often have estrogen issues.

That said, I'd be really curious to know your thoughts on how transdermal testosterone affects pheromone output, or anyone else on this matter. Some men use transdermal (either androgel or compounded product) and compounded pregnenolone creams. I can't see how these wouldn't affect pheromone output and pheromone signatures.

(07-10-2014 10:27 AM)Dr.NotsoStrangeLove Wrote:  My advice is to address the underlying issue: The testosterone. Even older guys generally want testosterone levels aiming for the top third. And libido (and erection strength) is often just as correlated with dopamine levels and other neurotransmitters. Think of test as that which is a master switch/macro level, but micro changes in individual moods is much more neurotransmitter related. And mones definitely affect this. It could also be higher estrogen levels. Often raising test raises est, and people with underlying testosterone issues often have estrogen issues.

That said, I'd be really curious to know your thoughts on how transdermal testosterone affects pheromone output, or anyone else on this matter. Some men use transdermal (either androgel or compounded product) and compounded pregnenolone creams. I can't see how these wouldn't affect pheromone output and pheromone signatures.

WHen I first was on androgel at 5 mg I would get boners all the time without Cialis and have repeated ejaculations in the same week, sometimes same day.

After 8 weeks this subsided and my libido died. I upped adrogel to 7.5 mg.. My libido is still pretty low I don't ever pop boners much unless I take Cialis and get a lot of DIRECT penile stimulation along with it. Top that off with the mones above killing the mood and moment and you have erection and sex problems.

I'm not alone here. If you look at AD forum you'll see threads from people who've tried AM and said its great for sarging, number closing, even first encounters or dates, but when it comes time for sex the same guys experience says he couldn't close with it. Then he went on to say he used l2k and already the results were better.

I'm going to go with the advice on this thread and look into NA and New Pheromone Additive.. Today I just purchased a 15 ml bottle of New Pheromone Additive (big bottle) and I have a full bottle of NA. The New Pheromone Additive will arrive ina few days.

Tommorrow I meet with a girl I've been talking to and having contact with.. I will wear NA as she's Asian and I want to lure her in for a Long Term Relationship. Since I'm 44 I'm not looking for ONS these days.

I'm thinking since its just a coffee shop 1 drop NA will do and may get her thinking about me after the coffee and conversation. Repeated exposures are golden but when it comes time to sex NA is a dud for me, as cuddly lovable sweet girls don't do anything for my dick.. I need LUSTFUL attraction for an erection to occur or at least my thoughts swaying that way. Welcome New Pheromone Additive.. Whenever I used to wear it years ago it always made me and other horny as hell.

I am going to trying using NA New Pheromone Additive in the future on this same target especially if I think I can escalate to something real physical.

Sadly not enough reports on the combo. I'm thinking 1 drop NA 1 drop New Pheromone Additive covered with a strong cologne.

I don't know if NA New Pheromone Additive together will be a winner as I've never tried it but sure will and report back when I have a chance.


Cheers.

dsouza