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The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 05-11-2011 7:42 PM

I thought I'd put together this guide on exactly how to convert hormone supplement capsules into concentrates and sprays so that you can test out these remarkably inexpensive putatives on your own to see if they exhibit pheromone-like properties. Pioneer

The ones I've tried already and know for sure can be used as pheromones are:

I also have my suspicions about:

What you get when you order most of these are capsules containing a powder. This powder is not the kind of pure, lab-quality stuff you'll get when you order pheromone ingredients from Alpha Dream. It's been mixed with various inactive substances which aid the manufacturing process by making it easier for machines to pour measured amounts of the powder into capsules (such as rice flour). And while we hope the dosage on the label is exact, chances are there is some variability. These are products sold at the milligram level for consumer use as oral supplements, and we're converting them into sprays to be used at the microgram level. So you can't expect the kind of consistency that you can with stuff from specialty labs, but you can expect a lifetime supply of something usable for like $10. Bomb

What You'll Need

You'll need a little bit of lab equipment and some basic supplies to do this well. Most of the equipment can be gotten at the Container Store for a few bucks.

So as to only have to update this info in one location, I've moved the full instructions to: http://hackingthehive.com/2011/diy-pheromones/

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - JAYCEE - 05-11-2011 8:14 PM

Reps! Great instructions!

I put a DHEA pill in 5mL of Everclear yesterday. It took about a day for the pill to fully break down. I'll give it a few more days before I try to filter it. This will be 5mg/mL concentration, so it is a concentrate.

I also put a 200mg capsule of DHA in 30mL of Everclear. I have no idea what to expect from this one.

I was thinking about doing up a batch of cholesterol, but the powder from Sigma-Aldrich is $60 or so. I'm going to holdoff on that one for now.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 05-11-2011 8:43 PM

I've also been thinking about cholesterol as a putative! Once the more readily available molecules get run through that'll probably be pretty high on my list, actually.

Quote:I put a DHEA pill in 5mL of Everclear yesterday. It took about a day for the pill to fully break down. I'll give it a few more days before I try to filter it. This will be 5mg/mL concentration, so it is a concentrate.

You're emptying the contents of the capsule into the alcohol, right?

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 05-11-2011 8:47 PM

I updated the initial list of suspects to include all 4 of the amino acids that act as neurotransmitters: Glycine, GABA, Glutamic Acid, and Aspartic Acid.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - JAYCEE - 05-12-2011 4:45 PM

The DHEA was a tablet, so I just dropped it in. The DHA is softcap--which is liquid on the inside--so I cut it open and put it in another bottle. The liquid got all over my fingers so it will be a little hard to dose.

I bought the pills at walmart, so it will be a fun little experiment.

(05-11-2011 8:43 PM)dbot Wrote:  I've also been thinking about cholesterol as a putative! Once the more readily available molecules get run through that'll probably be pretty high on my list, actually.

You're emptying the contents of the capsule into the alcohol, right?


RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - JAYCEE - 05-12-2011 4:48 PM

We should split a batch of cholesterol powder and see if our slightly different processes make a difference in the final product. (If it's even a pheromone/chemosignal or whatever.)

I really really really want to try cholesterol!

(05-11-2011 8:43 PM)dbot Wrote:  I've also been thinking about cholesterol as a putative! Once the more readily available molecules get run through that'll probably be pretty high on my list, actually.

You're emptying the contents of the capsule into the alcohol, right?


RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 05-12-2011 6:40 PM

Cholesterol makes sense as a pheromone -- it's the mother of all hormones. I'm not aware of any hormonal or steroidal properties of DHA, but it looks like the molecule is light enough that it could fly. Will be interesting to see if you find any effects.

I never thought of trying to dissolve a tablet; lots more binders in there than in a capsule, but if it dissolved in the alcohol then I think your concentrate should probably work out about the same.

I'll definitely be willing to split a batch of cholesterol sometime in the near future. I'm swimming in things to test right now though, so I want to get caught up before I bring in any more inventory Big Grin

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 05-23-2011 2:22 PM

I updated the list of suspects to include Phenylethylamine. As I have noted elsewhere:

It's a very simple, lightweight molecule (121g/mol), appears to be excreted in both sweat and urine.

[Image: 220px-Fenyloetyloamina.svg.png]

Very likely to have pheromone activity! $20 on Amazon!

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 05-23-2011 2:32 PM

ZOMG! Found another one: Dimethylamine. This is known to be used as a pheromone by cockroaches, and is excreted in human urine. Molar mass is just 45 g/mol.

[Image: 160px-Dimethylamine-2D.png]

$20 on Amazon! Zing!

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EDIT: Correction, the product I found on amazon is Dimethylamylamine (DMAA), also known as Methylhexanamine.

Used as an inhalable nasal decongestant and as a workout stimulant, this molecule weighs in at 115g/mol, and I'd say it's still pretty likely to have pheromone properties.

[Image: 220px-Geranamine.svg.png]

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 05-23-2011 4:00 PM

DHEA has now been upgraded to the known pheromones list based on previous reports and on my own experiences wearing it today! Is this TAA?

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - JAYCEE - 05-23-2011 6:48 PM

-amines have been on my radar too. It seems that replacing the OH with NH2 is the key.

At 45g/mol it should diffuse like a mad dog.

There are about a zillion -amines. Could be a gold mine!

(05-23-2011 2:32 PM)dbot Wrote:  ZOMG! Found another one: Dimethylamine. This is known to be used as a pheromone by cockroaches, and is excreted in human urine. Molar mass is just 45 g/mol.

[Image: 160px-Dimethylamine-2D.png]

$20 on Amazon! Zing!

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EDIT: Correction, the product I found on amazon is Dimethylamylamine (DMAA), also known as Methylhexanamine.

Used as an inhalable nasal decongestant and as a workout stimulant, this molecule weighs in at 115g/mol, and I'd say it's still pretty likely to have pheromone properties.

[Image: 220px-Geranamine.svg.png]


RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - JAYCEE - 05-23-2011 6:55 PM

Hmmm, I haven't tried out my DHEA mix yet. I lost 3/5 of it trying to filter it. lol.

What makes you think TAA is DHEA? Does it need to be refreshed every hour or so?




(05-23-2011 4:00 PM)dbot Wrote:  DHEA has now been upgraded to the known pheromones list based on previous reports and on my own experiences wearing it today! Is this TAA?


RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 05-23-2011 7:00 PM

(05-23-2011 6:48 PM)JAYCEE Wrote:  -amines have been on my radar too. It seems that replacing the OH with NH2 is the key.

At 45g/mol it should diffuse like a mad dog.

There are about a zillion -amines. Could be a gold mine!

Yeah I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that phenylethylamine was now being sold as a supplement. This is the stuff that makes chocolate give you that special feeling of fulfillment. This is what your brain goes crazy with when you're in the throes of new love.

Back in my more drug-seeking days I wondered what it would be like to ingest this stuff orally. I'm going to have to give it a try when I get some. It sounds like it should take a couple hours to metabolize, and I'll bet those hours will be pretty real Buba

I shudder to think what kind of magical pheromone effects this stuff might be capable of! I'm stoked! Focus


Oh and I'll post more details about my DHEA tests over in the DHEA thread momentarily.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - JAYCEE - 05-23-2011 7:34 PM

I think I'm not going to strain or filter any more. I'm using ethanol as a solvent and the rice powder settles right out. My "seed batch" will leave the spray head at 310mcg/sp, so just one spray into a to-go will give me 7.7mcg, 2 sprays will be 15.4mcg. I can turn my "seed batch" on it's side and let the particles settle away from the intake. That will be much easier than trying to filter.

My seed batch containers are those super-cheap Bod Man sprays from the dollar store. 30mL of cheap cologne in a spray bottle costs $1. I've been pouring out the cheap cologne, but I think I'll start using it as my solvent so I use less everclear. A ratio of 1:40 or 2:40 of cheap cologne to my PA should be okay. Helps to keep the cost down too.

Actually, the one called "Sexiest Musk Fantasy" smells a bit like Le Male to me. I'm embarrassed to say I sorta like it. lol.

Either way, I'm not going to filter anymore. Too messy.

Edit: Almost forgot, I measured these cheap spray bottles and they are 185 microLiters per spray. I like this slightly higher spray volume since it spreads the product over a larger area.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - kmacc45 - 05-26-2011 6:05 PM

Jaycee nailed it,
Did another cap, (One cap 100 mg/ 10ml PA) no filter. Let it sit over night instill powder settled. Stuck pipette a little past half way in mix, take my sample. Atomizer application is 52 mcg per spray, two sprays.

Pregnenolone ------------------------------------------------ 13 drops
(200 mcg drops x 13 = 2600 mcg)
(2600mcg ÷ 50 (sprays) = 52 mcg per spray)

DPG --------------------------------------------- 13 drops

PA ----------------------------------------------- 99 drops

WOW! Big difference
Excited, gigged, I feel heart pounding, Motivated
I feel like I've sprayed shine right in my face
I didn't think a pheromone could do me like this anymore.
And to think, a life time supply for a couple of dollars

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 05-27-2011 10:06 AM

I finally got a decent supply of ethanol, so I'm going to mix up a batch with alcohol and see how it compares to the FCO batch I've been using.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - kmacc45 - 05-27-2011 11:22 AM

(05-27-2011 10:06 AM)dbot Wrote:  I finally got a decent supply of ethanol, so I'm going to mix up a batch with alcohol and see how it compares to the FCO batch I've been using.

Where did you get it dbot?

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 05-27-2011 11:27 AM

I ended up having to drive out to the suburbs for work every week or two, and everclear is legal to sell out there.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 05-27-2011 7:08 PM

If anybody's got a mind to test some totally unknown designer steroids, here's a really good reference on the chemicals available through bodybuilding stores: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/64820-designer-steroid-prohormone.html

Some of these may be a little heavy for diffusion as pheromones, but what the heck! Take one for the team, and send me a few capsules while you're at it ;)

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - mengster - 06-13-2011 11:05 AM

Hey guys, do your solution turn clear? because mine is still really white and murky. I'm using caps from the vitamin shoppe if anyone else here does as well.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 06-13-2011 11:09 AM

Yeah, most of the solutions do end up being murky. It's no problem.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - mengster - 06-13-2011 11:32 AM

ah thanks dbot. i tried to spray some immediately but they got mostly stuck in the nozzle lol

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 06-13-2011 1:45 PM

Did you dissolve it in oil or alcohol? And how many drops in your sprayer with diluent?

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - mengster - 06-13-2011 7:38 PM

3x30mg cap in 10ml of 70% ethanol like u suggested

If u r referring to my sprayer getting stuck i know it's because of the muck I didn't distil lol.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 06-13-2011 7:43 PM

Did you use a coffee filter? I've found that cheesecloth really doesn't do the trick.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - mengster - 06-13-2011 7:52 PM

I didnt have any coffee filter with me yesterday so I've decided to just let them stand over night before i syringe the top stuff up and repeat the process one more time. No idea how much of the neno I will lose though.

I tried using a tea bag to filter the neno but I underestimated the power of rice powder(assuming that is what it is).

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Phero Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 06-22-2011 1:25 PM

I updated the original post in this thread to correct measurement errors resulting from a miscalculation of the size of a drop of alcohol (which I have found to be 25mcL, rather than the 50mcL I had previously estimated).

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 06-22-2011 5:55 PM

I've been testing different ratios of spray mix. Alcohol with 20% monolaurin didn't hold its scent very long at all, so I added another 10% FCO.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 07-20-2011 4:40 PM

I updated the list of putatives to include D2 and D3, and also moved phenylethylamine from out of the "maybe" pile into the "definitely" pile.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - 2Soon2Care - 07-21-2011 8:23 PM

You may want to use unbleached coffee filters to avoid unintentionally introducing leftovers from the bleaching process into your mixture, I've seen this noted in a number of chemistry homebrew notes before (no, not related to making meth or any BS like that, just legitimate science like explosives and such!)
Are you editing your recipe at the top of the post to reflect your most effective diluent and carrier mixture?

(06-22-2011 5:55 PM)dbot Wrote:  I've been testing different ratios of spray mix. Alcohol with 20% monolaurin didn't hold its scent very long at all, so I added another 10% FCO.


RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - txi0m - 07-21-2011 9:23 PM

(05-11-2011 7:42 PM)dbot Wrote:  What You'll Need

You'll need a little bit of lab equipment and some basic supplies to do this well. Most of the equipment can be gotten at the Container Store for a few bucks. You'll need:
  • 10, 15, or 30mL dropper bottles
  • A perfume funnel
  • A measuring vial with marks at least for 10, 20, and 30mL (and preferably with a cap so you can shake it)
  • A coffee filter
  • Some small spray bottles
  • Perfumer's alcohol (PA) or Everclear
  • A carrier oil such as dipropylene glycol (DPG), fractionated coconut oil (FCO), or jojoba. Household grapeseed oil can also be used in a pinch.
  • Any essential oil, fragrance oil, or scent that you would like to flavor your final product with.

Okay, trying to gather my thoughts here... I probably have a rogue spray bottle somewhere, Everclear, coffee filters, a funnel.. Planning on getting some DPG, and maybe this may work as a vial? I suppose if I need to shake it, I can put it in a separate temporary container.

I'm becoming a bit confused after completely reading this thread. So what's the final verdict? Should I filter, or should I not? Any drawbacks I should be aware of?

Also, using Bod instead of everclear means my spray will be Bod scented, correct? My main goal is an unscented spray. I may add a touch of Nag Champa if I need to scent it a little.

My apologies on asking so many questions, but I'm trying to become mentally prepared before I dive right in.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - 2Soon2Care - 07-21-2011 10:05 PM

I just read up a bit on pregnenolone - I wonder if it is being absorbed by the skin? It can be dosed under the tongue to bypass the liver.
Recommended oral doses are all over the range - I think because "everybody is different" it makes sense to be very conservative dosing with neno.
1-5 mg oral is what this guy is saying, I am wondering how much of one or more 2.6mg sprays will be absorbed into the bloodstream?

It would be nice with neno and others to be able to isolate self-effects that may be from bloodstream absorption and other-effects from aerosolization/evaporation, maybe by using a dliuent like the Cyclomethicone+Dimethicone+Alcohol base that Chris uses at Alpha Dream - it is supposed to layer between the skin and the mones to allow them to diffuse better, but I wonder if anyone knows if a "layer" like this exists that can prevent neno and other mones from being absorbed into the skin?

dbot you may have read these already but they got me concerned with the dosing levels and continued exposure.

http://www.tongkatali.net/pregnenolone.html

http://www.raysahelian.com/pregnenolone.html

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - 2Soon2Care - 07-21-2011 10:21 PM

Also I picked up an orbital buffer for waxing my car at Big Lots (discount retail shop here in US) for around $15 - basically a half-loaf of bread-sized electric motor and plastic housing with handles with a big foam circle on the bottom, intended to be covered with a fuzzy mitten-type cover. It vibrates powerfully in an orbital motion without rotating the foam bottom at all.

For mixing, I would imagine this would make a great mixer if fixed so that the foam is up in the air, and holding a sealed container (plastic/glass jar) would vibrate and mix very nicely!
This is basically the item, I've seen them in pawn shops real cheap too : http://amzn.com/B003R4EITU

Compare to a lab bench vortex mixer - very small one runs around $200 - http://www.labplanet.com/vwr-lab-dancer-mini-vortexer-3365040.html

So maybe add an orbital buffer to your homebrew mone mixmaster lab!

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 07-21-2011 10:55 PM

Wow lots of questions!

@2soon - the coffee filters I use are actually unbleached, although I don't know if the residual stuff would do any harm in this application.

Regarding dosing, the sprays you're making will be diluted down to micrograms (mcg), not milligrams (mg). All pheromones are steroids, hormones, amines, or similar biogenic compounds, so with any of them there is a chance of some absorption through the skin. I use FCO as a fixative, and perfumers say it forms a barrier on the skin, but I don't really know.

@tx - I'm not sure what Bod is. If it's a cologne, it would probably work as a solvent (not really sure) and your concentrate would be scented. I still filter out the schmutz; some choose not to.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - txi0m - 07-21-2011 11:07 PM

(07-21-2011 10:55 PM)dbot Wrote:  @tx - I'm not sure what Bod is. If it's a cologne, it would probably work as a solvent (not really sure) and your concentrate would be scented. I still filter out the schmutz; some choose not to.

It's this stuff. Basically like Axe or Tag, just with an different type of spray delivery. Jaycee mentioned it and how he uses those for his spray containers (gets 'em for $1 ea, dumps out the contents usually).

Bleh, no good for me then. I suppose if I enjoy the scent of one of them (and was in a bind) I'd use the cologne as my solvent, but not for my first batch.

Unless someone can convince me otherwise, I'll probably filter as well. Makes it more presentable!

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - 2Soon2Care - 07-21-2011 11:19 PM

@dbot - I was reading one of kmacc's posts where I thought he said his spray/drop would be 2500 mcg = 2.5 mg? Maybe I read it wrong..
I hate searching in the forum for posts, very clumsy, can't find it...
I'll assume I read it wrong, thanks!

(07-21-2011 10:55 PM)dbot Wrote:  Regarding dosing, the sprays you're making will be diluted down to micrograms (mcg), not milligrams (mg). All pheromones are steroids, hormones, amines, or similar biogenic compounds, so with any of them there is a chance of some absorption through the skin. I use FCO as a fixative, and perfumers say it forms a barrier on the skin, but I don't really know.


RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 07-21-2011 11:31 PM

Yeah, the concentrate that you make out of the supplements is... concentrated Smile

So then you dilute it to make dosed sprays.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - 2Soon2Care - 07-21-2011 11:33 PM

Ahhhh yes, well it is 1:32am, I'm not at all surprised I missed a part...

I'd still love to know if some of the mixologist gurus could propose a diluent/carrier mix that would generally promise to keep the mones from absorbing into the bloodstream...


(07-21-2011 11:31 PM)dbot Wrote:  Yeah, the concentrate that you make out of the supplements is... concentrated Smile

So then you dilute it to make dosed sprays.


RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - kmacc45 - 07-22-2011 5:08 AM

@dbot check this out, tell me what you think.
http://purebulk.com/l-phenylalanine

http://purebulk.com/phenylethylamine-hcl-c-98

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - XPX - 07-22-2011 5:28 AM

(07-21-2011 11:33 PM)2Soon2Care Wrote:  Ahhhh yes, well it is 1:32am, I'm not at all surprised I missed a part...

I'd still love to know if some of the mixologist gurus could propose a diluent/carrier mix that would generally promise to keep the mones from absorbing into the bloodstream...


(07-21-2011 11:31 PM)dbot Wrote:  Yeah, the concentrate that you make out of the supplements is... concentrated Smile

So then you dilute it to make dosed sprays.

The only way to stop the skin absorbtion is to not spray it on it! There are also some other ways but they are not practicable for normal people!

these absorbtion is not always so bad because end metabolites like (-none, nol, Androsterone) are inaktive! Even precursors like neno or dhea are not as bad because the conversion to aktive steroids is enzymatic regulated and will not happen if you have enough!

Problems can be caused by hormonic aktiv steroids and I also would be carefull with biogen amines, neurotransmitters and high neuroactive substances!


to filter use a filterpaper or like dbot unbleached coffeefilters but cut it down as much as possible because it will suck up a lot of liquid which is lost!

if you want to make 30ml concentrate then dillute your capsule in 25 ml and filter that! then take other 5 ml solvent and wash the filter and the "schmutz"! So you got 30 ml with less loss of substance! You will always lose some liquid in the filter so take your bottle where you want to fill it in and fill in the volume you want to have and mark the level on the bottle before you start!


To calculate your concentration you can use the formula:

ß= m/v

ß= mass concentration m= mass (in gramm) v= volume ( in ml or l)


then together

ß1 x v1 = ß2x v2


as example if you want dillute a 100 mg capsule in 30 ml

ß= 100mg/ 30ml = 3,333 mg/ml



if you now want a concentration of of 30 mcg per spray you calculate

1 spray is around 0,15 ml so 1 ml is about 6,666 sprays

so calculate 30mcg x 6,666 = 199,98 mcg/ml --> for 30mcg per spray



if you want 5 ml of that 30 mcg per spray solution

ß1 x v1 = ß2 x v2

in this case ß1 is the concentration of the concentrate and ß2 is the wished concentration of the diluted solution! V1 is the volume you need of the concentrate and V2 is the wished volume of diluted solution! I calculated in mg but you can also calculate in gramm or mcg! The same with the volume, I took ml but you can also use litre or cm3! Important is only that you use the same unit on both sites!!!

3,333 mg/ml x v1 = 0,19998 mg/ml x 5 ml

v1 = (0,19998 mg/ml x 5 ml) / 3,333 mg/ml

v1 = 0,3 ml

--> You need 0,3 ml of the concentrate and dilute it with 4,7 ml of your solvent

-->so you have 5 ml solution with 199,98 mcg/ml ( 0,19998 mg/ml) or 30 mcg per spray

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - mengster - 07-22-2011 12:33 PM

Actually kmacc's method of letting neno sit, settle and then syringe just above the muck works fine for me. Minimal loss of diluent. Still potent but no way to know how much has actually been diffused and not settled to the bottom.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 07-22-2011 1:00 PM

Once the active substance has dissolved in the alcohol it won't settle to the bottom or remain attached to the schmutz. The schmutz is only left behind because the extra stuff in the pill isn't soluble. So it shouldn't make any difference how or even whether you separate the debris from the concentrate.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - kmacc45 - 07-22-2011 3:05 PM

Just learned that DHEA and DHEAS are two totally differance subtances. I got some DHEAS from Chris this week, so just learning DHEA is differance from DHEAS. I went on a search for the DHEA.

http://purebulk.com/dehydroepiandrosterone-dhea

Seems to be pure DHEA, will let everyone know when arrive.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 07-22-2011 3:56 PM

(07-22-2011 5:08 AM)kmacc45 Wrote:  @dbot check this out, tell me what you think.
http://purebulk.com/l-phenylalanine

http://purebulk.com/phenylethylamine-hcl-c-98

PureBulk looks to be a good site! I don't personally much suspect phenylalanine of pheromone activity because it doesn't seem to have any direct neuroactivity. There are 4 amino acids that I'm aware that also act as neurotransmitters, and I think these ones would be much more likely to act as pheromones. They are glycine, aspartic acid, glutamic acid, and GABA.

What was the other bulk site that was mentioned, where you could get pregnenolone without any fillers?

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - kmacc45 - 07-22-2011 5:51 PM

(07-22-2011 3:56 PM)dbot Wrote:  PureBulk looks to be a good site! I don't personally much suspect phenylalanine of pheromone activity because it doesn't seem to have any direct neuroactivity. There are 4 amino acids that I'm aware that also act as neurotransmitters, and I think these ones would be much more likely to act as pheromones. They are glycine, aspartic acid, glutamic acid, and GABA.

What was the other bulk site that was mentioned, where you could get pregnenolone without any fillers?

@dbot

http://www.tocris.com/dispprod.php?ItemId=236050

http://www.tocris.com/dispprod.php?ItemId=236051

http://www.tocris.com/dispprod.php?ItemId=236050

http://www.tocris.com/dispprod.php?ItemId=1426

http://www.tocris.com/dispprod.php?ItemId=1256

http://www.tocris.com/search.php?Value=glutamic+acid&Type=QuickSearch&SrchdFrom=Header&srchId=8b482603284b7c01445657a7cdeedb7e&search.x=17&search.y=8

http://www.tocris.com/dispprod.php?ItemId=1339



These guys don't seem to sell to the public:

http://www.trc-canada.com/detail.php?CatNum=P712200

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 07-22-2011 6:40 PM

I found the link I was thinking about. Calii suggested it in the neno thread - http://www.beyondacenturyonline.com/

Pregnenolone - 20g for $15 - http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyInc.//Hormonal_Support.html#7505
DHEA - 20g for $15 - http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyInc.//Hormonal_Support.html#7499
Glycine - 300g for $10 - http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyInc.//Aminos_A-L.html#0170
D-Aspartic Acid - 150g for $16 - http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyInc.//Aminos_A-L.html#0410
GABA - 100g for $5 - http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyInc.//Aminos_A-L.html#0150
PEA - 1kg for $60 - http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyInc.//Bulk_Items.html#0409

The ones listed at PureBulk are:

DHEA - 10g for $13 - http://purebulk.com/dehydroepiandrosterone-dhea
Glycine - 250g for $12 - http://purebulk.com/glycine-powder-c-31
Melatonin - 5g for $11 - http://purebulk.com/melatonin
L-Aspartic Acid - 250g for $6 - http://purebulk.com/l-aspartic-acid-c-44
D-Aspartic Acid - 100g for $11 - http://purebulk.com/d-aspartic-acid
GABA - 250g for $13 - http://purebulk.com/gamma-aminobutyric-acid-gaba
Vitamin D3 - 100g for $20 - http://purebulk.com/vitamin-d3-cholecalciferol

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - kmacc45 - 07-25-2011 11:30 AM

100 grams of pure Phenylethylamine HCL powder.
No scumb or Sediment. I'm just praying DEA don't kick in my door.

[Image: PEA-1.jpg]

http://purebulk.com/phenylethylamine-hcl-c-98

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 07-25-2011 11:41 AM

Damn! I guess the PEA is working pretty good for you then!!

No worries about DEA; PEA is not regulated... yet...

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - txi0m - 07-27-2011 12:01 AM

Piecing the last of my thoughts together on this.

So I've got my solution with, say, pregnenolone dilluted in it. I've got a 7ml atomizer that delivers 150 sprays (3.3mcg per spray).

This is what I want to confirm: adding one drop of that solution to a mix of 90% everclear and 10% dpg completes it? Shake it all up and use it?

I suppose I just find it silly that I'm spraying Everclear on myself, lol

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 07-27-2011 2:12 AM

"Perfumer's alcohol" is just ethanol with extra shit added to make it undrinkable. Since everclear is 95% ethanol & 5% water it's actually better for perfume than the methylated stuff - more scent-neutral.

If your sprayer is 150 sprays, you just divide the mcg per drop by the number of sprays to get the mcg per spray.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - txi0m - 07-27-2011 1:06 PM

Gotcha. I'm basically prepared to give this a go then! Picked up my atomizer for it yesterday for $1.50.. I think the bottle design will be fitting for pregnenolone Big Grin

[Image: imagepqw.th.jpg]

Got it at Daiso. At some point I think I got my funnel there too. Quite a bit of useful stuff.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 07-27-2011 1:24 PM

Lol looks perfect Smile

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Fly So Hi - 07-29-2011 5:24 PM

Jeesus Christ! :O

LOL! dbot and kmacc, thanks thanks thanks!

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - kmacc45 - 08-05-2011 9:35 AM

Hey Guys,
For those who haven brought any neno caps yet. Just got some neno powder from Beyound a Century. I mixed up a 50 ml/ 500 mg batch. No sediment or residue, one 200 mcg drop to the wrist wiped behind the ear and OOO Yea! it's neno. 20 grams for $19.90 after shipping.


[Image: neno20.jpg]



http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyInc.//Hormonal_Support.html#7505

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredient - JAYCEE - 08-05-2011 12:28 PM

Where do you buy your oil?

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredient - kmacc45 - 08-05-2011 1:40 PM

(08-05-2011 12:28 PM)JAYCEE Wrote:  Where do you buy your oil?

@ Jaycee, in the picture it looks like oil. It's really PA, I perfers a 10% DPG in all my mixes.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - mengster - 08-05-2011 3:45 PM

Awesome stuff kmacc!! U are really good at digging out the pure stuff!!


The purebulk PEA arrived really quick and prompt! Thanks for the recommendation!

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - kmacc45 - 08-05-2011 5:00 PM

(08-05-2011 3:45 PM)mengster Wrote:  Awesome stuff kmacc!! U are really good at digging out the pure stuff!!


The purebulk PEA arrived really quick and prompt! Thanks for the recommendation!

If you haven't brought any neno, check out Beyond a Century's powder neno. Did a 50 ml/ 500 mg mix, no sediment or residues and is really strong.


http://www.easycart.net/BeyondACenturyInc.//Hormonal_Support.html#7505

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 08-05-2011 5:04 PM

Do the effects feel more like the supplements, or more like Chris' reagent stuff?

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - kmacc45 - 08-05-2011 5:14 PM

(08-05-2011 5:04 PM)dbot Wrote:  Do the effects feel more like the supplements, or more like Chris' reagent stuff?

Been on it for 6 hours now and my first impression is it's right in the middle. Let me hit Chris neno again to be sure. Been awhile since I done any of Chris neno and what I remember is Chris's neno had an edge like a knife.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 08-05-2011 5:18 PM

I get the same feeling from Chris' neno. I just used some the other day because my sprayer of the supplement stuff was empty. And it still has a lot of the same properties, but it also has that strong edge to it.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Injektilo - 08-05-2011 5:24 PM

(08-05-2011 5:14 PM)kmacc45 Wrote:  Been on it for 6 hours now and my first impression is it's right in the middle. Let me hit Chris neno again to be sure. Been awhile since I done any of Chris neno and what I remember is Chris's neno had an edge like a knife.

This actually sounds like you're doing meth. Are you sure you're not snorting the stuff? Big Grin

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - kmacc45 - 08-05-2011 5:43 PM

(08-05-2011 5:24 PM)Injektilo Wrote:  This actually sounds like you're doing meth. Are you sure you're not snorting the stuff? Big Grin

It's amuzing Injektilo, that you can feel so good spraying on a powder that you can take out of capulse that mend to ingested. When the kid's caught on, this stuff will fly off the store shelf.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - txi0m - 08-09-2011 1:52 AM

kmacc, does the neno powder come with something to measure it with, or is that something I'd have to supply myself?

I think I'm going to buy some DHEA and Pregnenolone from that website you linked. If the Pregnenolone is as strong as you claim, the DHEA must be pretty sick too. I may have to send a little DHEA to someone else to verify the DHEA quality for me though P

EDIT: I'm betting I'll have to measure it myself with a scale. In that case, here's a pretty low cost scale to 0.01g (10mg). The design of this scale seems pretty ideal. Plastic removable weighing tray, and because of the little "cig slots" around the edge, seems the tray will stay put fairly decent.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 08-09-2011 10:04 AM

(08-09-2011 1:52 AM)txi0m Wrote:  I'm betting I'll have to measure it myself with a scale. In that case, here's a pretty low cost scale to 0.01g (10mg). The design of this scale seems pretty ideal. Plastic removable weighing tray, and because of the little "cig slots" around the edge, seems the tray will stay put fairly decent.

You will need a scale but but you need greater precision than that. Here's a milligram scale that doesn't costs much more.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - txi0m - 08-12-2011 7:01 PM

Did a little bit of digging and found that one on ebay for a bit cheaper ($15)... but in the process I found a different milligram scale I liked a bit better in appearance for a few dollars more. (i'm often the type to suffer for fashion Tender )

In US prices, here's what I got to get me started for this:

10x Assorted Color Test Tubes w/cap (plastic; to dissolve product in everclear) - $6
2oz (60ml) Euro Dropper (to store my solution for easy access) - $2.50
10x 7ml Transfer Pipettes (graduated to 3ml) - $4
25ml Plastic Graduated Cylinder - $2
Pocket Milligram Scale - $17

Glitter test tubes are kind of weird, but at least they're colored (don't have to label which one is neno [green] and which is dhea [yellow] P)

EDIT: Seems like the DHEA I got from GNC is dissolving nicer when I lay the test tube flat (more surface area for the everclear to work with?). Glad these things came with caps, lol

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Injektilo - 08-16-2011 12:08 PM

Damn. My fractionated coconut oil, spray bottles, and probably the molecules that mengster sent, are all sitting in my mailbox at school and I'm not in town to get them. Next on my acquisition list is monolaurin. Since I'm only testing one molecule at a time right now, just having FCO and ethanol should be fine, since there are no differing diffusion rates to even out. I'm very excited about PEA and melatonin.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - mengster - 08-16-2011 12:29 PM

Letter might take a bit more time unless u are REALLY lucky Big Grin

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Injektilo - 08-16-2011 1:00 PM

(08-16-2011 12:29 PM)mengster Wrote:  Letter might take a bit more time unless u are REALLY lucky Big Grin

Most likely. My excitement made me forget that you only sent it last Wednesday. In the meantime, I guess I will work on making sure everything else is set. I need to acquire ethanol and monolaurin, mix up a stock batch of diluent, and figure out the spray volume of Steve's 10mL bottles.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - kmacc45 - 08-30-2011 8:27 AM

Strange affect of PEA:
O.K. Girlfriend and I have been broke up for a couple of weeks now. We'll been off and on for a year now and the relationship had took a toll on both of us. I 'm going on about my day everything is good, I'm dealing with life. I spray on 20 mcg of PEA and feeling for this girl kicks in the heart's door like the DEA on a drug bust. I have to fight myself to keep from calling this girl. I've notice that with a little Concentration the feeling can be directed to any person or thing like my Mama or Dad. Did some GABA and PEA last night. After 45 minutes did another spray of GABA, seems like the PEA affects came back.

I've got to out now and see if this is only self effects or can it affect other like this.

More testing needed

P.S. Trying to figure out if TAA is PEA or GABA. With the TAA 30 mcg spray that I have, I leaning toward PEA in a weaker dose.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - mengster - 08-30-2011 8:39 AM

Thanks for the report kmacc!

I experienced a somewhat similar effect. I had some on when my gf was around and felt a huge need to be "touched" by her - hugged, hand holding, just wanting to be physically close.

Very interesting. I will try thinking about people dear to me the next time i have it on.

(08-30-2011 8:27 AM)kmacc45 Wrote:  Strange affect of PEA:
O.K. Girlfriend and I have been broke up for a couple of weeks now. We'll been off and on for a year now and the relationship had took a toll on both of us. I 'm going on about my day everything is good, I'm dealing with life. I spray on 20 mcg of PEA and feeling for this girl kicks in the heart's door like the DEA on a drug bust. I have to fight myself to keep from calling this girl. I've notice that with a little Concentration the feeling can be directed to any person or thing like my Mama or Dad. Did some GABA and PEA last night. After 45 minutes did another spray of GABA, seems like the PEA affects came back.

I've got to out now and see if this is only self effects or can it affect other like this.

More testing needed

P.S. Trying to figure out if TAA is PEA or GABA. With the TAA 30 mcg spray that I have, I leaning toward PEA in a weaker dose.


RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - preck - 08-30-2011 8:57 AM

Would be interesting to know if it got the same effects on others cause we can look a bit "needy"...

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - mengster - 08-30-2011 9:26 AM

Good point preck. I have only tried using it around my gf once and hence the reported self effect. I asked her if she suddenly felt like she loves me more and she replied no ... :waaah:

i'll try it again when i get my hands on dpg or something to slow its diffusion


(08-30-2011 8:57 AM)preck Wrote:  Would be interesting to know if it got the same effects on others cause we can look a bit "needy"...


RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - XPX - 08-30-2011 10:15 AM

WOW, nice work kmacc!

GABA would also be my next one!

Can you tell me a bit of its effects and selfeffects as single molecule?



I think this discussion should be moved to the PEA thread :wink2:

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - fuzzcat - 10-21-2011 7:32 PM

Could taurine be a possible pheromone? I saw it listed as a neurotransmitter along with glycine, glutamic acid and aspartic acid. It has a very light molecular weight too.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - dbot - 10-21-2011 7:51 PM

(10-21-2011 7:32 PM)fuzzcat Wrote:  Could taurine be a possible pheromone? I saw it listed as a neurotransmitter along with glycine, glutamic acid and aspartic acid. It has a very light molecular weight too.

Very interesting. I'd never heard it referred to as a neurotransmitter before but it is similar in structure to GABA and it looks like some reputable sources are convinced it does act as a neurotransmitter. Worth a try.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - eibmoz - 11-15-2012 10:38 AM

Thanks for starting this thread dbot, have found this and the posts very helpful.
I got tired of shaking bottles and have made a perfume mixer..not sure what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/l1S-lEtU2z0?rel=0

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Fly So Hi - 11-17-2012 8:56 AM

Hahahaha! Veeery nice! I love the cat part.

Remember to always saturate your coffee filter with your spirit before dropping the dissolved liquid onto it. That way you wont loose much concentrate to the coffee filter. I'm talking about 1 minute and 10 seconds. Wet your coffee filter completely before dropping the liquid.

It's also interesting to let your bottle rest for a couple of days (shaking it occasionally) before filtering it.

Magnesium Stearate - wiserd - 11-23-2012 2:36 PM

I was just thinking; Magnesium stearate is present in many supplements to provide bulk so the stuff goes through the machine more easily. While Magnesium stearate is insoluble in water and "nearly insoluble" in cold ethanol, I wonder if the small amount of it which does dissolve might act as a fixative and if the oils and surfactants we add might cause more to dissolve. It is slightly soluable in benzene and we do use a lot of molecules which are cyclic like benzene. It's also slightly soluble in warm ethanol. Fixatives work in small quantities relative to the molecule being fixed, so a little might make a big difference in how quickly a molecule diffused.




Magnesium stearate;

[Image: 250px-Magnesium_stearate.png]




Monolaurin, which we use currently use as a fixative;

[Image: 250px-Glyceryl_laurate.png]

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - DrHorrible - 01-25-2013 9:02 AM

Ok, so it seems that the preferred way to DIY here is straight from pill into solution. Since I have a scale and prefer to be exact in my measurements, I thought I would describe how I go from pill to powder. I also took photos.

[Image: neno1_tube.jpg]
10 * 50mg capsules of pregnenolone went into a test tube.

[Image: neno2_dissolve.jpg]
Alcohol to dissolve the pregnenolone.

[Image: neno3_filter1.jpg]
Suspension filtered. Since these capsules are just pregnenolone and microcrystalline cellulose, the filtrate is just alcohol and pregnenolone.

[Image: neno4_precipitate.jpg]
The filtrate is mixed with enough water to saturate the solution, which causes the pregnenolone to fall out of solution and precipitate. It should get cloudy and start to clump together or crystallize. 7-keto makes beautiful long needle-like crystals, btw.

[Image: neno5_filter2.jpg]
This suspension is then filtered. The filtrate will be alcohol and water, and the residue left in the filter will be pregnenolone.

[Image: neno6_residue.jpg]

[Image: neno7_weight.jpg]
And the yield is slightly more than 500mg pregnenolone.

[Image: neno8_vial.jpg]
Stored in a vial for future solutions.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Fly So Hi - 01-25-2013 9:06 AM

Yay, beautiful! Thanks for sharing. Very dashy.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - John Schlongfellow - 01-25-2013 10:03 AM

wait a second....

50mg x10=500mg - microcrystalline cellulose= >500mg

what am I missing here?

good pics BTW, don't mean to sound like I'm trashing your post, I'm just a bit confused

Anyone

The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - DrHorrible - 01-25-2013 10:30 AM

The capsules are 50mg pregnenolone with some variance. Considering the price ($6), I'd imagine that would be +/- 5mg. Under perfect conditions I would have a 500mg yield if they were exact. The 10 capsules together obviously amounted to more than 50mg.

The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - DrHorrible - 01-25-2013 10:35 AM

I just weighed 10 whole capsules and the weights ranged from 244mg to 286mg.
If they are 2% pregnenolone, 250mg=50mg preg, 244=48.8, 286=57.2

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - John Schlongfellow - 01-25-2013 10:59 AM

(01-25-2013 10:35 AM)DrHorrible Wrote:  I just weighed 10 whole capsules and the weights ranged from 244mg to 286mg.
If they are 2% pregnenolone, 250mg=50mg preg, 244=48.8, 286=57.2

yeah there it is ok dude thanks a lot !! the before weight is 250mg
posts repped and keep up the awesome work Hi

did you notice yourself being dosed while working with it?
I've done this to myself a couple times now so you might watch out right before bed.

edit, guess I can't rep two times, ok future rep coming

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - wiserd - 01-25-2013 1:03 PM

(01-25-2013 9:02 AM)DrHorrible Wrote:  The filtrate is mixed with enough water to saturate the solution, which causes the pregnenolone to fall out of solution and precipitate. It should get cloudy and start to clump together or crystallize. 7-keto makes beautiful long needle-like crystals, btw.

Awesome, but I'm a bit confused with this one step. Adding water to an alcohol + mones mix caused the mones to precipitate? How do I get solubility info for something like this? I guess I missed this trick in chem lab. Did you warm the alcohol?

I've always omitted this re-crystalization step. Maybe, for the sake of accuracy, I shouldn't...

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Fly So Hi - 01-25-2013 1:15 PM

I see your vial is a little moist. Didn't you dry the neno before storing?

I think you could also have that neno through a mortar and pestle to fine grain it btw.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - DrHorrible - 01-25-2013 1:46 PM

(01-25-2013 1:15 PM)Fly So Hi Wrote:  I see your vial is a little moist. Didn't you dry the neno before storing?

I think you could also have that neno through a mortar and pestle to fine grain it btw.

I washed and dried the vial with ethanol before I filled it. It's possible there was a little that remained though. What looks moist to you? I filled the vial with large flakes of preg and smashed it up with tweezers while it was in the vial, so there are both very small particles and large flakes in the vial. Maybe the particles and smears look like moisture? As far as drying it, I ran some 110C air from my rework station over the filter paper but it was already bone dry, so I didn't do it very long.

I thought about making it a fine powder, but figured the flakes would make it easier to weigh out 25mg increments to make 1mg/ml solutions (I use a 25ml volumetric flask).

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Fly So Hi - 01-25-2013 1:56 PM

Oh I see. I think the crystalised neno + light reflections gave me the impression that there was some sort of liquid in the vial.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - DrHorrible - 01-25-2013 2:12 PM

(01-25-2013 1:03 PM)wiserd Wrote:  Awesome, but I'm a bit confused with this one step. Adding water to an alcohol + mones mix caused the mones to precipitate? How do I get solubility info for something like this? I guess I missed this trick in chem lab. Did you warm the alcohol?

I've always omitted this re-crystalization step. Maybe, for the sake of accuracy, I shouldn't...

Since I'm not separating solutes, I didn't worry about how much water, or heating and cooling. This would be important if another component of the pills were soluble in ethanol. The multi-solvent crystallization could obviously be replaced with boiling the ethanol off, but if I'm going to waste the ethanol anyway, it'd rather dump it down the drain than fill my house with fumes.
Multi-solvent recrystallization

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - DrHorrible - 01-25-2013 2:39 PM

(01-25-2013 1:56 PM)Fly So Hi Wrote:  Oh I see. I think the crystalised neno + light reflections gave me the impression that there was some sort of liquid in the vial.

No liquid, must be the shine. I don't know if this will help, but:
[Image: closeup.jpg]

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Fly So Hi - 01-25-2013 6:26 PM

It does. Exactly what you said, is the shine.

Thanks!

Monolaurin - Thanks dbot! - kmacc45 - 03-06-2013 1:51 PM

Alot of my potion I work in drops,


15 ml bottle with 50 Monolaurin pellets and 5ml of P.A. (to start with).
50 Monolaurin pellets = 2.562 mg

I have a shaker (wood sander) so the Dissolving of the pellets is done in about 30 minutes. Moving bottle around in boiling water quicken the process and clears the air bubbles and smaller pieces.

With a 10 ml syringe pick up the 5 ml of Monolaurin out the the bottle and add 5 ml of P.A., bringing the total to 10 ml.

50 Monolaurin Pellets ÷ 500 drops 10 ml, (I get 50 drops per ml, your's maybe differance) = 0.1 or 1/10 of a Pellet per drop.

10 drops = 1 Pellet
5 drops = 1/2 Pellet
And so on, and so on

Working out of vails, most of my formulas are a 50 drops based formula. 5 drops out of 50 (10%) give me 4 hours of working time. I do notice a blast about round the two hour mark. Still needs work and some fine tuning.

P.S.
For the Newbies, Monolaurin is all about diffusion. A couple of notes: I can take on alot more pheromone with monolaurin. The diffusion seems to be a lot more slower and even with Monolaurin. With DPG, I could never go about 0.01 with Alpha-THDOC. I did 0.1 yesterday and head was fine.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Mr.Gone - 04-02-2015 1:59 AM

Hey, great thread. I am still new to mones and have not tried any of this yet, but I noticed a few pages back someone asked if there was a way to prevent the mones from absorbing into the skin, and I think the answer might be Cyclomethicone. It is a liquid silicone that supposedly has molecules too large to enter the skin, but it dissolves into the air, much like alcohol, and I believe it is used in Alpha Dreams products, like Alfa Maschio.
It can be purchased through amazon, here is a link.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Chemistry-Store-16oz-Cyclomethicone/dp/B00L4EC9DC/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1427961221&sr=8-4&keywords=cyclomethicone
I am not sure if this would work, it is more of a question to those more knowledgeable than myself on this subject.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Vincent_Vega - 07-11-2015 6:36 AM

Hey guys,

some questions because the link on the first page is disabled.

I soluted my delta-none (with fillers) in etoh. The alcohol isn't clear anymore and on the ground of the bottle is powder. Is this powder the fillers? Can I now skim the alcohol with a pipette and only have pure delta-none then?

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Vincent_Vega - 07-15-2015 2:11 AM

No one?

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Ekscentra - 07-15-2015 4:10 PM

(07-11-2015 6:36 AM)Vincent_Vega Wrote:  Hey guys,

some questions because the link on the first page is disabled.

I soluted my delta-none (with fillers) in etoh. The alcohol isn't clear anymore and on the ground of the bottle is powder. Is this powder the fillers? Can I now skim the alcohol with a pipette and only have pure delta-none then?

The fact that it's a powder tells us nothing. It could be the fillers just as well as it could be the delta-none. To confirm, you could try filtering out that powder and testing what's left. If you get any notable effects, it's likely you were correct.

I'm assuming this is delta-2-Androstenone, yes? A very interesting molecule - be sure to report back on your results! A D2A thread would be much-welcomed here.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - thundr - 07-15-2015 5:49 PM

http://pherotruth.com/Thread-Delta-2-androstenone?highlight=delta+2+Androsten​one


Without knowing much about the fillers used here:

The bottom white sediment is most likely the chalky binder crap that makes a tablet a tablet or fills space in a capsule. You can discard this part.

The delta none dissolves in the alcohol along with everything else that is alcohol soluble in the powder. What does not dissolve into solution falls to the bottom.

The cloud is particulate clutter that has not settled yet. You will need to let it sit longer or use mechanical filtration to clear it up.

You can use a micron filter, centrifuge, or you can macgyver it using an unbleached coffee filter and a funnel.

Note how much alcohol you used versus how much powder dissolved.

IME I did not get much from delta 2 other than possible weak social and maybe some Androstenone buffering. I would be interested in reading your results after you take it out a few times.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - pinacolada - 11-19-2015 3:44 PM

don't know if it fits into this thread but I've had the following thought

the assumption is that people produce pheromones naturally that have a positive impact.
From what I've read a major place of production is in the armpits *

If the naturally produced pheromones in the armpit are beneficial,

maybe it would help to apply some sort of substance that would increase diffusion (the same way that there are substances in a perfume that help diffusion)

One idea might be to work out, wash and put DPG onto the skin of the armpits.**

The idea would be to 'help' the pheromones in the armpit diffuse


*
there were also suggestions only to wash but not to use deodorant.
My personal hypothesis is that the smell of the armpits is dependent on the composition of the bacterial flora. If I don't use deodorant for several days but shower in the morning, it doesn't take long until my armpits smell (badly)
Even if I do use deodorant after that it takes a few days to get back to the state before.
If I use deodorant regularly (even if just a little) I don't have the bad smell.
My hypothesis is that the deodorant creates adverse conditions for certain kind of bacteria, and other kinds then spread and stay on the skin,even if deodorant is not used for a while. (and the opposite would happen if no deodorant is used)

Different kinds of bacteria would break down mones differently.


**
the question however would be if DPG is an ideal agent, (does it kill certain kinds of bacteria/create adverse conditions for them?)
Perhaps there are other diffusion agents (such as the ones used in St ealth Diffusion (or I've also read about silicone)
On the other hand, maybe if a person uses deodorant anyway, DPG does not significantly change the bacterial flora.

So maybe it is worth trying to use deodorant as usual, and have a smell that is subjectively pleasant/acceptable and also to use a diffusion agent like DPG

***
Perhaps scented deodorants (of brand perfume makers, e.g. Cool Water Deodorant) carry diffusion agents? (it would make sense, since people probably want to enjoy the brand perfume (if they don't notice it, they might be disappointed)

****
another variable might be shaving/not shaving under the armpit.
If none (for example from products carrying none,such as Ammo) attaches itself to hair and is difficult to remove,
maybe likewise pheromones such as none are present in the hair under the armpits and a diffusion agent might help.


Again, all those are only ideas at this stage.

If it works it would definitely be a candidate for 'Poor Man's James Bond' however " Smile

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - NP17 - 11-19-2015 6:07 PM

I think the best thing to try would be AO Biome probiotic mist. It contains bacteria that metabolize the ammonia that causes BO but does not otherwise alter the bacterial flora that gives rise to natural pheromones. Then you don't have to use deodorant because there's no BO smell, just natural mones.

I haven't tried it yet, though.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - pinacolada - 11-19-2015 6:38 PM

(11-19-2015 6:07 PM)NP17 Wrote:  I think the best thing to try would be AO Biome probiotic mist. It contains bacteria that metabolize the ammonia that causes BO but does not otherwise alter the bacterial flora that gives rise to natural pheromones. Then you don't have to use deodorant because there's no BO smell, just natural mones.

I haven't tried it yet, though.

thanks, that's an interesting idea. Do you know where it is available? I looked on the internet by I didn't find a vendor.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - NP17 - 11-19-2015 6:52 PM

I think this is it:

https://shop.motherdirt.com/product/ao-mist-2/

I haven't tried it, but I'm interested in it. A lot more expensive than deodorant and even pheromones, obviously, but interesting stuff. I have noticed without a doubt that people with a strong odor get a lot more play and people are just more interested in them socially.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - pinacolada - 11-19-2015 7:55 PM

indeed expensive. Interesting what would happen if the composition of the bacterial flora is indeed changed after a few days of using this product instead of normal deodorant. It would be interesting if the bacterial flora would then be more similar to the flora that develops when no deodorant is used. Accordingly the breakdown of pheromones might be affected, the question would be in what way.

Regarding people who have stronger body oder, I've also had that thought. ( Perhaps they in particular need a good cover and then they are set :-) )
Perhaps if a person does a lot of sports and sweats a lot he increases the total mone output (and possibly also the conversion from one mone to another by the bacteria) and if he would shower right away he would prevent bad smell/remove bad smell but the mones would still remain on his skin (because of their stickiness)?

All of those effects might be increased if a person wears a sleeveless shirt or tanktop or basketball jersey.

In any case there should be mones in our armpits. According to wikipedia there should be none. I also remember reading somewhere that men produce A-1 (though I don't know the location)

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Arsenic - 10-26-2016 9:20 AM

Neat - I have some GABA, DHEA and melatonin laying around. I'm always looking for an experiment Smile

This makes me wonder what else could have a pheromone effect. I have tons of herbs and supplements... hmm. Suma root and muira puama perhaps? And why not ashwagandha too. Theyre made yup of tonf of different molecules so maybe those will yield something. Hell, maybe even Phenibut, Noopept, Aniracetam, etc

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - ScentHound - 04-18-2017 1:43 PM

About armpits and deodorant (alternatives):

I stopped using soap to wash my body with years ago when i switched to apple cider vinegar dissolved in hot water.

This works perfectly, I have zero B.O. even when training hard and sweating profusely.

But as an additional preventative measure I used to run a 'deodorant crystal' under my armpits after the shower since it doesn't have any hormonally up-fucking additives. This also worked great.

But when I ran out of the crystal, I decided to try a few spritz'es of a to-go I made with about 20% Iso-E Super + 80% alcohol in stead.

There seems to be little to no 'pit' smell but the Iso-E smell remain during the day and kinda fuses with my natural scent.

I don't know what or if it does anything to add to my natural pheromone signature but I haven't had any negative effects either.

Just throwing it in here as it seemed pertinent.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Spider-mone - 04-18-2017 3:02 PM

I mix hydrogen peroxide with a little witch hazel in a spray bottle with a few drops of fragrance and use it as deodorant. works very well and kills the BO.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - GoergeFocky - 04-19-2017 2:52 AM

(04-18-2017 1:43 PM)ScentHound Wrote:  it doesn't have any hormonally up-fucking additives.

But when I ran out of the crystal, I decided to try a few spritz'es of a to-go I made with about 20% Iso-E Super + 80% alcohol in stead.

Iso-E super's structure gives many reasons to assume it's (highly) endocrinologicaly active.

A 20% solution is also much much more Iso E than you'd get in shower gels and the like

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - ScentHound - 04-19-2017 2:06 PM

(04-19-2017 2:52 AM)GoergeFocky Wrote:  Iso-E super's structure gives many reasons to assume it's (highly) endocrinologicaly active.

A 20% solution is also much much more Iso E than you'd get in shower gels and the like

Thanks for the head's up, I'll research this.. not interested in slapping on anything nasty, obviously.

RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - Alphonse - 04-19-2017 2:29 PM

(04-19-2017 2:06 PM)ScentHound Wrote:  Thanks for the head's up, I'll research this.. not interested in slapping on anything nasty, obviously.

It's also likely to be bioaccumulative like some of the synthetic musks. Unlikely to cause serious damage, but I've stopped using it altogether along with nitro musks, musk ketone, etc.

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RE: The Poor Man's James Bond: How To Make Pheromone Sprays From Household Ingredients - DrChocolate - 06-29-2017 6:45 AM

I use a mixture of Isopropanol and essential oils mixed with Iso e to spray underneath me arm pits.

While the bad B.O. is masked I can't really see much pheromonal hits on others that way. May be it's because synthetic mones give a fairly profound blatant kinda reaction and am looking it in the same angle. But I couldn't see none above average.