Hard to say man. Could be the grail could be a fail. Rolling the dice on this one

2 things:
I want to read up and figure out how hard it would be to shift double bond placement

I really wanna know what that Luteolin is. Its buggin me now. I hate not knowing what stuff is. Worse case scenario is that it is a binder to the 1 Androsterone for entrance into the body or bypass the liver. If this is the case and we cant tear it off there it might make the molecule too heavy to fly, or even inactivate its effects by binding to something else than a receptor

Might ask Chris at AD if he sees anything interesting about this molecule - might be one he's working on in secret too so I'd do it over email...

I chip in to split the price if thundr chips in as well. That's if kmacc works with paypal...

(09-12-2012 7:12 PM)thundr Wrote:  I have a strong vibe that 1-Androsterone will have good results. If we cant find it pure, we might be able to make it. *evil grin*

EDIT: Looking at its structure 1-Androsterone looks almost exactly like DHEA. But it has a double bond in the 1-2 position whereas DHEA has it at 5-6. Figure out a way to shift that double bond to 1-2 from regular old DHEA. However, This I have no idea how to do. LOL Its been a minute since Ive had to do anything like that. If we deem it necessary I could relearn it..

You know, that's a funny thing. If I remember reading correctly. It's possible to make Androstenedione from 4-DHEA but a lot of precaution would be needed to do that.

(09-12-2012 7:45 PM)kmacc45 Wrote:  

Details Dietary Supplement. Pro. Anabolic. 1-Androsterone converts at a high rate to 1-testosterone and will give you better strength and size increases than the old 1-Andro or 1-Test products. These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Nutrition Facts Serving Size 1 capsule

Servings Per Container 60 Amount Per Serving % Daily Value Piperine 2 mg 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one 100 mg Luteolin 3 mg Standardized Forskolin 10 mg *percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Ingredients:

Other Ingredients: Pyrolsate, Gelatin, Magnesium Stearate, Silica. *These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. Directions As a dietary supplement, take 1 to 3 capsules per day in divided doses with food. Use in cycles of 4 to 6 weeks. Do not exceed 3 capsules per day.

O.K. whats the judgment on this one?

@ Chris
Hey Chris, I was wondering if you could take a look at this product for us?

We would like to know:
1. Is it worth the money
2. Would it be possible to get the affects of the
1-Androstene-3b-ol-17-one with all the other Ingredient added.
3. Anyway to seperate the 1-Androstene-3b-ol-17-one from the
other ingredients
Thanks in advance
kmacc

P.S.
Here is a site site with a description of the Ingredients.

http://fitness.big-health.com/Advanced_M...eolin.html

OK - but what do you suspect this will *do*?

1-Androstene-3b-ol-17-one, (AKA 1-Androsterone and 1-DHEA) is a non-methylated pro-steroid that must convert to 1-androstenediol (1-AD), 1-androstenedione (original 1-AD) and/or 1-testosterone in order to be active.

Full Article:
http://prohormonedb.com/view-ingredients...rone)&i=75

http://www.primordialperformance.com/blo...-dhea.html



So help me understand guys and gals,
1-DHEA, 1-Androstene-3b-ol-17-one and 1- Androsterone are all the same?

(09-14-2012 8:36 AM)kmacc45 Wrote:  1-Androstene-3b-ol-17-one, (AKA 1-Androsterone and 1-DHEA) is a non-methylated pro-steroid that must convert to 1-androstenediol (1-AD), 1-androstenedione (original 1-AD) and/or 1-testosterone in order to be active.
Full Article:
http://prohormonedb.com/view-ingredients...rone)&i=75
http://www.primordialperformance.com/blo...-dhea.html
So help me understand guys and gals,
1-DHEA, 1-Androstene-3b-ol-17-one and 1- Androsterone are all the same?

Yep. Same stuff different name

I found out about luteolin. Pretty sure its not binding the 1-Androstene-3b-ol-17-one. Its a natural flavonoid in celery, peppers, and some herbs.
Luteolin acts as a monoamine transporter activator and anti-inflammatory. After reading up on it I really cannot see any reason for them to have put it in there. That molecule seems a bit on the complicated side to add to a body building supp..

It should dissolve in etoh as well.

(09-13-2012 12:15 PM)Shelly B Wrote:  OK - but what do you suspect this will *do*?

The molecular structure of 1-Androsterone is very similar to 5-DHEA (normal DHEA in everyday use). I guess we are looking for Arone or DHEA type reactions from it. But then again who knows, it could impart an entirely different effect than both.

(09-14-2012 11:18 AM)thundr Wrote:  I guess we are looking for Arone or DHEA type reactions from it. But then again who knows, it could impart an entirely different effect than both.

OK - are you testing it because you are unhappy with the Arone or DHEA type reactions you are getting or you are looking for a different flavor of them?

I'm just mostly wondering what put you on the hunt for this molecule and the breakdown if it's so molecularly similar?

I had very very little sleep and most of a 2 liter of Diet Pepsi so my powers of cognition are truly for SHITE today....please forgive me if I'm missing something totally duh - because - right now - I would

(09-14-2012 11:24 AM)Shelly B Wrote:  OK - are you testing it because you are unhappy with the Arone or DHEA type reactions you are getting or you are looking for a different flavor of them?

I'm just mostly wondering what put you on the hunt for this molecule and the breakdown if it's so molecularly similar?

I had very very little sleep and most of a 2 liter of Diet Pepsi so my powers of cognition are truly for SHITE today....please forgive me if I'm missing something totally duh - because - right now - I would

Its a metabolite of DHEA. More or less a different flavor of ice cream and we want to see how it tastes. Choco fudge deep rabbit hole swirl flavor. lol

Though, Its kind of a pain to do research on bc it is a body building supp and there are alot of reviews and information aimed at general meatheads. Not so much science as "get big quick!" and "the best supplement to date, try it risk free" type shit.

The double bond on the 1,2 position can make it very similar in effects to 5DHEA or it could make it night and day type different when locked onto a receptor. Not sure.