(04-25-2015 2:38 PM)pherosloth Wrote:  Damn it moneranger lol, now idk which to choose which worls best for a kino mix, 83 or 103? I hear both are similar and from what ive been reading 83 far surpasses 103, but maybe ill have to ask Steve about his 83 quality.

P83 is a slower hitter, builds up over time, lasts much longer. P103 is much harder-hitting and more intense, but an apparent tolerance to the effects can build up over a period of time. mobocaster tried balancing out the ratios between the two at some point, but hasn't gotten back to that yet. I may attempt a similar experiment myself.

How about using it only sparingly over span of time, and not just everyday kind of thing? Like using 83 over a week and then hitting it hard with 103? Thej another week or so of 83 then 103 again?

(04-26-2015 3:04 PM)pherosloth Wrote:  How about using it only sparingly over span of time, and not just everyday kind of thing? Like using 83 over a week and then hitting it hard with 103? Thej another week or so of 83 then 103 again?

I'm not talking about long-term tolerance, but rather a rapid-building tolerance that prevents P103 from working after a certain period of time. This is what necessitated the use of P83, the have the best of both worlds - the quick-hitting intensity of P103 and the prolonged but slow-hitting effect of P83. For the long-term, P83 is likely a better option, but a combination of the two would be particularly interesting. Perhaps 7.5mcg P103 with 15mcg P83 would be a good starting point? That's my guess, and I'll personally use that as a starting point when I test this combination myself.