All of this would explain why an oil mix I made out of single molecules and Alpha 7 seems to be a dud.
I put Androstadienone , A- and B-nol and A- and B-Androsterone together with DPG. I wanted some none in there but not much, so I added Alpha 7 since I'm out of single molecule none. I thought Alpha 7 would be the closest I have to straight none, aside from Primal Instinct but that one has fragrance and I mixed this shit with scented oil.
I took into regard the assumed small dose of Androsterone and put in a wee bit less single molecule Androsterone for that reason but if Pago's theory is right, there is an absolute shitload of the stuff in the mix now. Which would explain why it doesn't seem to have the expected effects. I've only tried it twice though and for a very limited time while not meeting that many people. Reason for that is that I meant to let the mix sit for at least a couple of weeks but was too curious to completely leave it alone. The little interaction i had with people gave me the notion these mones have no effect at all.

If it is flawed and beyond repair, it's not a big deal. I didn't waste any huge amounts of product on it but Pago's findings sure will make the tests interesting. Expecting a possible Androsterone OD of biblical proportions.

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Google found that, but only 6 molecules are listed:

Link 5:

http://www.google.de/#q=alpha+androstadi....osb&cad=b

Contains 7 powerful pheromones (5-alpha-Androstenone, 5-alpha-Androstenol, Androsterone, Androstadienone, Androstadienol, beta-androstenol.

(01-11-2012 3:18 PM)Pagodeiro Wrote:  After using Alpha 7 for years .. and having ton´s of fun with it ..

there was always something i did not understand ..

I always had the feeling that the attraction i get from Alpha 7 is different like the one i get from other None products

it produces not the harsh None hits like Primal Instinct does .. and it works pretty good on guy´s ..

Alpha 7 gives me hits with a smile in the womens face and the pretty light up when they are exposed to the stuff

more is explained below ..

I suspect that ...Alpha 7 is .... 6 parts Androsterone and 1 part None ..

my belief is based on my observations on my comparisions .. and on the extensive use of Alpha 7

that´s what would match my testing and the results i get with it ..

( the product description says that it´s vice versa ... it says that Alpha 7 is 6mg none and 1mg Androsterone )

i´ve been using it mostly in combination with Xcite wipes ..and i was always wondering why the Xcite wipes did not work with other none Stuff like Primal Instinct ..and The Edge or New Pheromone Additive .. or with straight None ..
Xcite wipes work like magic with Alpha 7 ( add a bit P79 and it´s even better )

I´ve tryed this combo instead of Alpha 7 with A314 .. and Bingo .. same results ( little bit more direct attraction .. maybe due to the other ingredients in A314 )

Nbully thanked Jasmin in 2006 for bringing out A314 ... he would not had any use for the Xcite wipes otherwise ... did not work as standalone and with other stuff ..

i always thought that it´s due to the secrets in Alpha 7 ( site 71 on Love Scent main forum ... does not work now but there´s the thread about the best test of Alpha 7 )
there are some novel mones in Alpha 7 .. not only Androsterone and None ... SURPRISE ??
Dementi from Bruce until i pointed toward the thread ( this was when it was still working )

And i was wondering because i did not get a None built up with Alpha 7 .. like i do with Primal Instinct or with other none heavy stuff
my combo is 1Xcite wipe and 10 .... !! Drops Alpha 7 ( in words 10 drops )

next thing that make me wonder is why P96 did work that well with Alpha 7 and with A314 but not with none Stuff ..
P96 is pure gold when combined with Androsterone .. but it´s not that good with None ...
the attraction i´d get from A314 + P96 and Alpha 7 + P96 was pretty similar .... large googley eyes ... deer in headlight look .. or call it doggy dinner bowl look like Ross Jeffries likes it to call ..
the effects with a None product were absolute different ..
when i was wearing P96 with a Androsterone product i´ve always been commented on how great i smell ... this never happened with a None product ..

next thing was that i was combining Alpha 7 with P80 ... and P80 does not really work with Androsterone .. this combo makes it the military mone ...
with some P97 it should be not that big problem that there is a small amount of Androsterone in Alpha 7 like stated ... but there was no way to get it workin ..
( i´ve played around a lot with None products when i was working on improving my P80 mix and so i combined everything with None in what i had .. and this is a lot like most of you guy´s know with the other ingredients .. P80 and P79 and and and )

next thing was the strong sweet Androsterone pissy smell that A314 and Alpha 7 have in common .. not the acidy strong None scent like with other none products ... ( the Edge or MX353 )

And the guy on roids that i see every now and then in the gym ..whom i know from clubbing which always comments on how bad i stink with none products on .. does not comment on Alpha 7 and on A314 ...

well ..now to what conclusion do we come ???

I just wanted to share because i want to hear others opinions on my observations ..

Pago

Damn Pago, you are a friggin genius!!!

I wish I would bumped into this thread before. In 2010, I emailed Garry asking if he had any phero like Alpha 7. He told he hadn´t but he could make it. He gave me the idea he would make if for me. Probably, he had previous customers ask for it, anyway. Anyway, he asked me if the ratio 6 -none: 1 a-Androsterone, part was correct. I said sure; and gave him the link to the Alpha 7 description. What came to my attention, is that he said something like " Well, I can make the -none 6 part: a-Androsterone 1 part mix; but it´s rather unstable" and " the 3 part arone: 4 part Androstanone mix seems to be more stable".


So he launched Lucky 7 and Lucky 7 R a few weeks later.

I ordered Lucky 7 and never got any hits like alpha 7. This made me wonder how the Alpha7 manufacturer(Lacroy?) mass-produce their product and make it ´stable´ (whatever that means, you would have to email Garry to tell you exactly what that means).

Now it makes sense. Thanks Pago!

I alway used Lucky 7 at 2 drops, at least. When I didn´t get any results I upped the dosage to 3-8 drops, no doubt, always OD´ing.

Now, I will revisit my Lucky 7, and can probably make it work.

Spot on, thanks for this thread Pago.

Best regards,
Chaotic

Alpha 7 seems to be the updated version of Primal Instinct. However the scented version smells to me like Spekulatius cookies in the german winter time.

Greetings from Germany.

I have to correct a few findings as well ...

no noticeable None in Primal Instinct for me as well ..

something that produces intimidation to a high extent .. but never get´s you negative hits just like products that do actually contain none ..

and something in Primal makes a light builtup ...

Pago

so every where I've seen Alpha 7 is only 2 molecules...but you're saying its 7?? That'd explain the name too haha

(02-10-2013 1:26 PM)cjw255 Wrote:  so every where I've seen Alpha 7 is only 2 molecules...but you're saying its 7?? That'd explain the name too haha

Just Check the link from JH ....

funny as well that there is no access to the sites where it was beta tested back in the days at LoveScent forums ..

Pago

(02-10-2013 1:37 PM)Pagodeiro Wrote:  Just Check the link from JH ....

funny as well that there is no access to the sites where it was beta tested back in the days at LoveScent forums ..

Pago

thats about scent of eros though

(01-11-2012 3:18 PM)Pagodeiro Wrote:  After using Alpha 7 for years .. and having ton´s of fun with it ..

there was always something i did not understand ..

I always had the feeling that the attraction i get from Alpha 7 is different like the one i get from other None products

it produces not the harsh None hits like Primal Instinct does .. and it works pretty good on guy´s ..

Alpha 7 gives me hits with a smile in the womens face and the pretty light up when they are exposed to the stuff

more is explained below ..

I suspect that ...Alpha 7 is .... 6 parts Androsterone and 1 part None ..

my belief is based on my observations on my comparisions .. and on the extensive use of Alpha 7

that´s what would match my testing and the results i get with it ..

( the product description says that it´s vice versa ... it says that Alpha 7 is 6mg none and 1mg Androsterone )

i´ve been using it mostly in combination with Xcite wipes ..and i was always wondering why the Xcite wipes did not work with other none Stuff like Primal Instinct ..and The Edge or New Pheromone Additive .. or with straight None ..
Xcite wipes work like magic with Alpha 7 ( add a bit P79 and it´s even better )

I´ve tryed this combo instead of Alpha 7 with A314 .. and Bingo .. same results ( little bit more direct attraction .. maybe due to the other ingredients in A314 )

Nbully thanked Jasmin in 2006 for bringing out A314 ... he would not had any use for the Xcite wipes otherwise ... did not work as standalone and with other stuff ..

i always thought that it´s due to the secrets in Alpha 7 ( site 71 on Love Scent main forum ... does not work now but there´s the thread about the best test of Alpha 7 )
there are some novel mones in Alpha 7 .. not only Androsterone and None ... SURPRISE ??
Dementi from Bruce until i pointed toward the thread ( this was when it was still working )

And i was wondering because i did not get a None built up with Alpha 7 .. like i do with Primal Instinct or with other none heavy stuff
my combo is 1Xcite wipe and 10 .... !! Drops Alpha 7 ( in words 10 drops )

next thing that make me wonder is why P96 did work that well with Alpha 7 and with A314 but not with none Stuff ..
P96 is pure gold when combined with Androsterone .. but it´s not that good with None ...
the attraction i´d get from A314 + P96 and Alpha 7 + P96 was pretty similar .... large googley eyes ... deer in headlight look .. or call it doggy dinner bowl look like Ross Jeffries likes it to call ..
the effects with a None product were absolute different ..
when i was wearing P96 with a Androsterone product i´ve always been commented on how great i smell ... this never happened with a None product ..

next thing was that i was combining Alpha 7 with P80 ... and P80 does not really work with Androsterone .. this combo makes it the military mone ...
with some P97 it should be not that big problem that there is a small amount of Androsterone in Alpha 7 like stated ... but there was no way to get it workin ..
( i´ve played around a lot with None products when i was working on improving my P80 mix and so i combined everything with None in what i had .. and this is a lot like most of you guy´s know with the other ingredients .. P80 and P79 and and and )

next thing was the strong sweet Androsterone pissy smell that A314 and Alpha 7 have in common .. not the acidy strong None scent like with other none products ... ( the Edge or MX353 )

And the guy on roids that i see every now and then in the gym ..whom i know from clubbing which always comments on how bad i stink with none products on .. does not comment on Alpha 7 and on A314 ...

well ..now to what conclusion do we come ???

I just wanted to share because i want to hear others opinions on my observations ..

Pago

Thats nice to know. Since I am new to mones, i would like to ask if anyone has tried A314 with Xcite wipes? How was the experience? Did you also add the p79 with it? Thanks!