Thanks, Tisha. You just said what I've been saying. I've moved on to other companies and found products that work just as well or better (because I like oil based products). Primitive from Liquid Alchemy Labs is basically Raw Power. Primitive Dirty (works great and lasts forever) is like Dirty from AD. There are other options out there while you wait for an AD restock (I'm just not that patient).

(05-11-2010 9:01 AM)Snoopyace Wrote:  Thanks, Tisha. You just said what I've been saying. I've moved on to other companies and found products that work just as well or better (because I like oil based products). Primitive from Liquid Alchemy Labs is basically Raw Power. Primitive Dirty (works great and lasts forever) is like Dirty from Androtics. There are other options out there while you wait for an Androtics restock (I'm just not that patient).

I've buying up lots of samples from Love Potion. I love their fragrances, but I don't know any product that works as well as Instant Sexiness A. That stuff is my ish! If Androtics never brought that back, I don't know what I'd do.

(05-11-2010 10:05 AM)Pirouette Wrote:  I've buying up lots of samples from Love Potion. I love their fragrances, but I don't know any product that works as well as Instant Sexiness A. That stuff is my ish! If Androtics never brought that back, I don't know what I'd do.

Oh I feel the same way I've been stocking up on those as much as possible.

If tal ever becomes available get yourself a bottle...funny how it flew out the shelves in a few hours...

(05-11-2010 12:51 PM)esmeralda Wrote:  Oh I feel the same way I've been stocking up on those as much as possible.

If tal ever becomes available get yourself a bottle...funny how it flew out the shelves in a few hours...

That was likely a bunch of phero newbies who read one post where a guy got lucky while wearing TAL and 15 other products and they all decided to buy 100 mcg 30 ml bottles at the same time.

Ok I just received a response from Mr. Garry Nelson, regarding the ammount of -none/copulins in his Primitive/Dirty Primitive products:

"Primal Instinct has 5mg androstenone per 10ml bottle. Raw Power has 5.5mg of androstenone per ?ml bottle. PRIMITIVE has 6mg androstenone per 10ml bottle, 3ml of alcohol and 7ml of dpg.
So, we know right off the bat that you won't get the same
mcg per drop as there are 1000mcg more per bottle of PRIMITIVE.

What mcg per drop ratio are people wanting?

PRIMITIVE - The standard number of drops per ml is 20. However, the Euro droppers that are used with PRIMITIVE yields 32 drops per
ml, so a total of 320 drops per 10ml bottle. 6mg = 6000mcg of androstenone per 10ml bottle of PRIMITIVE. 6000mcg divided by 10 = 600mcg per ml, 600 goes into 32 drops equaling 18.75mcg of androstenone per drop.

PRIMITIVE Euro dropper
Androstenone per drop = 18.75 mcg

DIRTY PRIMITIVE has 4mg, or 4000mcg of androstenone per 10ml
bottle of DIRTY PRIMITIVE with the same 32 drops per ml we now have 4000 divided by 10 = 400mcg per ml, 400 divided by 32 = 12.5mcg per drop. Copulins is 2mg or 2000mcg divided by 10ml = 200mcg per ml 32 goes into 200mcg yielding 6.25mcg per drop of Copulins.

DIRTY PRIMITIVE Euro dropper
Androstenone per drop = 12.5 mcg
Copulins per drop = 6.25 mcg


Ok, the following test was done with the bulb dropper not
the euro dropper. You can simply request the squeeze bulb dropper at checkout, no price difference if you want it. The reason the test was done this way is that I prefer mixing this way. I will have the test done again with the euro dropper and send that information for you as well.

Here we go, there are 6mg or 6000mcg of androstenone per
10ml bottle of PRIMITIVE. The standard number of drops per ml is 20.
However, using the small orifice squeeze bulb dropper that we sell, we found 45 drops per ml. Very accurate when counted multiple times. So, 45 drops per ml x 10ml = 450 drops per bottle. 6000mcg divided by 10 = 600mcg per ml. 600mcg goes into 45 drops and that = 13.333333333333333333333333333333 mcg per drop. Just to make sure the math is right 13.333333333333333333333333333333 x 450 = 6000mcg = 6mg So,

PRIMITIVE squeeze bulb dropper
Androstenone per drop = 13.333 mcg

DIRTY PRIMITIVE using the same squeeze bulb dropper has 4mg
or 4000mcg of androstenone per 10ml bottle of DIRTY PRIMITIVE with the same 45 drops per ml we now have 4000 divided by 10 = 400mcg per ml, 400 divided by 45 = 8.888888888888888888888888888889 or 8.888mcg per drop, just under 9mcg per drop. Copulins 2mg or 2000mcg divided by 10ml = 200mcg per ml. 200 divided by 45 = 4.444444444444444444444444444444 or 4.444mcg per drop.

DIRTY PRIMITIVE squeeze bulb dropper
Androstenone per drop = 8.888mcg
Copulins per drop = 4.444mcg

Both PRIMITIVE and DIRTY PRIMITIVE contain 3ml of alcohol per bottle and 7ml of dpg. There should be no mixing problems with these
ingredients.

I am going to have the squeeze bulb dropper added to the
PRIMITIVE and DIRTY PRIMITIVE page in the next couple of days so that it does not have to be requested, it can just be selected.

I hope that helps.

Thank you,
Garry Nelson"

It would also be great if other members like phero mixing masters Dancing Joker and Catlord17 (the inventor of the Panty Scorcher mixes) came and joined this forum, and maybe we can convince him to share his recipe, or maybe get him to deal with Garry Nelson himself to make the mixes into a new product line, so they can become available to us all.

(05-11-2010 4:56 AM)Tisha Wrote:  Alot of their long time customers are getting sick of it and moving on.

Raw Power was discontinued well over a year ago. As far as I know its not returning.

Tisha

Yeah you're absolutly right about that Tisha...sick to my stomach

(05-11-2010 12:51 PM)esmeralda Wrote:  Oh I feel the same way I've been stocking up on those as much as possible.

If tal ever becomes available get yourself a bottle...funny how it flew out the shelves in a few hours...

If you like TAL, you should try Leather from Love Potion. Truly great stuff. And now, you can get it in spray too!

I get that a lot of people are huge fans of AD and their products. I use to ONLY buy from AD because of their high quality Pheromones and great mixes. Till I found other sites and those sites do have a lot to offer. I've gotten great hits from Love Potion JUST on scent. If you get a scent that doesn't have Pheromones in it, just add animism or charisma. Snoopy's gotten great results from them. I plan on getting 2 scents + charisma/animism in them. Put it this way, I've gotten great comments and hits JUST ON SCENTS from Love Potion. When I layered P83 + P79 on top of the scent, GAME FUCKING OVER. Some of the best hits I've gotten.

I know you're tired of AD being out of stock. Get use to it. They will say lots of things. Never take it seriously. From my experience with them, they have a history of saying something but not delivering till much, much later. The sooner you realize that, the less you'll be disappointed. Seriously, step out of that comfort zone and try out some products from Love Potion, liquid alchemy or love scent.

New Pheromone Additive is a very effective additive. Gegogi swears by it.
Looking for Instant Female Magic? Sure it has a few other molecules to help steer it, but Love Scent has Androstadienone in pure form. IMO, just add some TAA, TAF and some TAH and it'll be Instant Female Magic (that's what I would add to it, I am NOT saying that is what AD adds to it).

Just cause you're use to driving a ferrari doesn't mean a lambo isn't going to be as fast...

I was just window shopping on androtics' lol

And I've noticed the products from the instant line (shine, openness, honesty) are only available in 1X strength I'm not telling that 1X strength is a bad thing... but it just worries me because it's as if androtics is starting to get very limited now.