So had a chat with Steve, I let him know about some of the concerns/ideas that has been expressed here about Api to help improve it. What he told me was that Api is based off of a version of A314 he used when he first started. He mentioned that this version wasn't the harsh, at attention/drill sergeant style of A314 that a lot of us have come to expect from A314, but a more smoother, street cred vibe. I mentioned how a lot of folks have expressed concern that they were expecting the type of vibe that was present from Rev 17-23 of A314, plus HGS had to use 6 drops to get the results he was hoping for. So, Steve's open to suggestions or ideas to improve Api. I think he's going to leave Ascend alone but any suggestions for that will still be passed onto him. I like Ascend but want something with more respect so I'm experimenting with using Androsterone and slowly adjusting/increasing dosage to see how it works. Right now he's thinking of either tweaking the current formula or releasing a different version/revision, depending on what's suggested here. So, post your thoughts or ideas, every suggestion will be passed on to him.

Here's a list of suggestions below:

-Add XSR37, in place of Epiandrosterone if it's in there. Alternatively, you might experiment with various ratios of XSR37 and Epiandrosterone.

-Increase the Androsterone (with XSR37, the mix can handle a lot more).

-Many of the most successful social status mixes use one or more beautifiers. I'd suggest APi do the same in order to remain competitive. Add Androstatrione - it'll balance out the XSR37 nicely at a ratio of 2:1 XSR37:Androstatrione. Alternatively, or in addition, you might consider 7-Keto DHEA (underrated and underrepresented component, IMO) or low-dose Androstenetrione (sub-mcg).

-Add a microdose (1.5mcg or less per 6 drops) P75 - believe me, with the other components I've suggested, this will do nicely even as a social status mix. A bit of edge, but not too much, just what APi needs in my opinion.

-If Steve knows or has good reason to believe he knows its identity, I'd love to see P97 as an addition here. It would make an interesting social/bonding addition. If P74 is in the mix, I'd remove it in favor of this. Also get rid of Alpha-THDOC if it's in there. Any molecule in the P9x series appears to be capable of mimicking its positive properties without the apparent downsides.

Now, this is all assuming Steve is willing to go for a more complex, versatile mix. This is something I expect would be more favorably accepted in the current market. LAL and Apex's mixing philosophies work exceptionally well - few of us wish to mix and match a number of different products to get great results. I envision an APi that fills far more than a single role.

Does no one else have any input? I'm going to bump this thread once in the hopes that it gets a bit more attention.

Never tried API.

I asked for sample . PXS said that they don't provide for sample for oil products.

Thanks

(11-11-2015 12:02 AM)kalpan56 Wrote:  Never tried API.

I asked for sample . PXS said that they don't provide for sample for oil products.

Thanks

That's unfortunate..I've received an APi sample from them, but they said the same thing about cohesion and evolve oil when I requested for them. They said they dont give out oil samples. I wanted to see if they work the same as sprays, seeing as how some people report different findings from xist spray and oil.

I was told they don't give oil samples if you didn't order an oil product. At least that's what SteveO wrote to me in the personalized letter.

never asked for an oil sample, so I've no idea. But any other suggestions, please keep them coming. I'll pass these along to Steve next time I speak to him.

My APi is a sample. I can't remember if it came with my Taboo oil or not. I didn't even ask for the APi sample, but it was a while ago.

(11-14-2015 10:51 PM)HappyGoSkillfully Wrote:  My APi is a sample. I can't remember if it came with my Taboo oil or not. I didn't even ask for the APi sample, but it was a while ago.

I ended up getting an oil sample with APi many months back, but when I asked for an oil sample with an order not including an oil, I received a spray instead. This may be correct.

hey guys. Passed along what's been suggested thus far to Steve. What I can say is it sounds like he's been tweaking with Ascend to give it more edge and will be shipping test versions. I think he might be starting with orders from this upcoming weekend, couldn't hear too clearly as he was driving when I spoke with him. All he said about this beta test version of Ascend: it was in your face, almost a bit too much but he's still tweaking it. So, keep an eye out for it. As far as Api goes, I didn't get a chance to touch on it too much with him yet.