(04-22-2014 6:33 AM)Chaotic Wrote:  AV is definitely sexual. Buffered good enough for some comfort too. Has worked well on dates for me.

A handful of phero products out there are sexual enough to get women hot to trot. Then guys don't get laid and blame it on the Pheromones they were wearing. It's all about having enough good game to close the deal, not Pheromones. Like Pheroman says; It's a product for closers.

Best,
Ch

I think you hit on the single biggest "issue". Pheromones will give you an assist not a score.

Even strong socials like Glace are sexual products in the right hands. The real focus is on finding which product or combo provides the most enhancement for your own personality and circumstance.

The misconception that somehow the mones can/will do the heavy lifting is what leads to all of the disappointment. At the end of the day you have to combine the six most powerful letters in the English language to make anything happen....Hi + want = pull

(04-22-2014 8:38 AM)DWR Wrote:  I think you hit on the single biggest "issue". Pheromones will give you an assist not a score.

Even strong socials like Glace are sexual products in the right hands. The real focus is on finding which product or combo provides the most enhancement for your own personality and circumstance.

The misconception that somehow the mones can/will do the heavy lifting is what leads to all of the disappointment. At the end of the day you have to combine the six most powerful letters in the English language to make anything happen....Hi + want = pull

Right on!

Got laid wearing Asian4Asians last year. Never reported it because I would be doing LAL a disservice. Many would be buying A4A then not get the results I got, and LAL and me would come across as nothing but bs.

BTW, 2-3 dabs is a good starting point for AV, you can work your way up to what maeve suggests.

Best,
Ch

I am going to have to disagree with you. Some pheromones get me more talk than action and are geared for this. Perhaps a VERY experienced man can pull of sex in nightclubs wearing nothing but Scent of Eros but most have to rely on a manly signature (either natural) or with manly mones.

Take for example my experience with AV.. My bottle arrived today.

I put on 2 drops of av and loved the smell.

I went out with it 30 min later

#hit # 1 and 2 women in elevators checking me out and smiling but they were teenagers so I didn't waste my time

hit #2 The bank.. When I went to pay a bill today I had a talk with a woman who I know there who is a host and greets people.. Shes latina 40 or so.. She wouldn't shut up when talking. the conversation could of lasted 15 min with me talking about the weather. I mean it hit her like a truck.. At one people she mentioned dancing in the shower, and I told her "I'm here to pay my bills but you've got my imagination going imagining you nude dancing in the shower" as I rubbed her back .. She was very delighted with the touching and didn't pull away. She is married with son. I can do better for sex than this situation so I didn't feel the need to escalate further.

hit #3 The bank teller. A beautiful Asian woman.. Very quiet but I kept giving her compliments on her complexion and we talked about vacationing , The talk didn't get dirty as my transaction was short today at the bank (1 bill) but I could see her almost glowing.. I told her , her skin glows and she must wear rouge.. She admitted to this. I formally introduced myself to her and shook her hand.. I think she's single.. Depending on which one of these two is more likely good for sex I will pursue only 1 at the bank on my next visit with AV and number close.

hit #4 The mall. Went into a natural essence shampoo store and saw a beautiful latina. There was no one there. I was relaxed not hurried. We conversed.. I asked her if she was new as I didn't see her before. After asking me a few questions I was asked "would you like some tea?".. AhA AV freebie #1. Tea on the house.. I accepted and talked about the tea with her.. I eventually complimented her on her hair and we had a conversation about that. I told her she had lovely locks and curly hair. She was busty and noticed me looking at her boobs at one point and adjusted her blouse.. Anyway I felt like the shit and I didn't feel I needed to buy anything. So before I left I introduced myself to her and asked her for her name.. We shook hands. And I then asked for her business card and to put her name on it.. I now have a contact with her. It seems effortless with AV.. I could think in the MOMENT and feel seductive at the same time.. AV seduces in the moment..

hit #5 The proactive stand.. I visit there. An Asian woman is there.. I see her before but no attraction. I tell her "hey proactive lady.. long time no see." I then go to talk about some products I had purchased 2 months back and she starts complimenting me.. Ok this may not sound like a big deal until you hear the same compliment 9 times !!! Yes You face you amazing.. !! NINE times.. Your complexion is perfect.. And then only tried to market a new finishing touch product to take me to a models complexion.. But she would repeat and repeat how attractive I looked. I thought with such compliments how hard could it be to go for the kill. I told her next time I visit I will look into the new product (like with AV I don't give a fuck if I buy anything) and thanks her by her name.. Ididn't know it saw it on her tag.. I then asked her for contact info.. She handed me her business card.. I asked her to put her name and days she works on it and I will call first .. She obeyed. I then stroker her hand and bid her farewell.

So I didn't get laid here during the daytime.. Didn't even get a kiss. But what I got was compliments, confident approaches, seductive speaking, free tea, and two business cards with two phone numbers on them, name of person, and days to reach them. This is at the mall of all places not even a nightclub.

Now all I have to do is follow up with phone calls to these women in a couple days and ask for dates. But AV makes me picky.. You see with this much attention why should I settle for any girl who wants a date.. sure sex is great but I feel like being choosy.. Is it AV or is it Me..

The best answer is does it really matter, and secondly was congruency made easy because AV's selfies give me game.. I feel supremely confident , walk with swagger and don't hesitate as much as without the mones .

My bottle of Av has produced results for me in 1 day that I didn't get in months with other mones.. Or I did get results but not in the area of seduction, just friendship or gab.

See if you analyze this email you'll notice a difference in stance from my normal messages , because Av is still consuming me today. It will lose its effectiveness in about another 2 hrs or so.. There may be more hits....

One thing for certain I find I feel more at ease approaching a woman when she is alone in a store or café than when large crowds are around.. Even with AV this is true.. I feel a bit of anxiety if others are there especially men... like there watching me and listening in.

I think this has been described in AV side effects before. The anxiety is not bad.. No changes in breathing, heart rate etc just stopped me from taking action and makes me play a back seat role.

Overall if I can isolate a woman enough to talk to her without competing men around I have 100 better chance at the number close. I am just this way.. I dont' even like to kiss in public.

This is my first AV report.. I hope it helps someone.

(04-22-2014 4:23 PM)dsouza Wrote:  I am going to have to disagree with you. Some pheromones get me more talk than action and are geared for this. Perhaps a VERY experienced man can pull of sex in nightclubs wearing nothing but Scent of Eros but most have to rely on a manly signature (either natural) or with manly mones.

Take for example my experience with AV.. My bottle arrived today.

I put on 2 drops of av and loved the smell.

I went out with it 30 min later

#hit # 1 and 2 women in elevators checking me out and smiling but they were teenagers so I didn't waste my time

hit #2 The bank.. When I went to pay a bill today I had a talk with a woman who I know there who is a host and greets people.. Shes latina 40 or so.. She wouldn't shut up when talking. the conversation could of lasted 15 min with me talking about the weather. I mean it hit her like a truck.. At one people she mentioned dancing in the shower, and I told her "I'm here to pay my bills but you've got my imagination going imagining you nude dancing in the shower" as I rubbed her back .. She was very delighted with the touching and didn't pull away. She is married with son. I can do better for sex than this situation so I didn't feel the need to escalate further.

hit #3 The bank teller. A beautiful Asian woman.. Very quiet but I kept giving her compliments on her complexion and we talked about vacationing , The talk didn't get dirty as my transaction was short today at the bank (1 bill) but I could see her almost glowing.. I told her , her skin glows and she must wear rouge.. She admitted to this. I formally introduced myself to her and shook her hand.. I think she's single.. Depending on which one of these two is more likely good for sex I will pursue only 1 at the bank on my next visit with AV and number close.

hit #4 The mall. Went into a natural essence shampoo store and saw a beautiful latina. There was no one there. I was relaxed not hurried. We conversed.. I asked her if she was new as I didn't see her before. After asking me a few questions I was asked "would you like some tea?".. AhA AV freebie #1. Tea on the house.. I accepted and talked about the tea with her.. I eventually complimented her on her hair and we had a conversation about that. I told her she had lovely locks and curly hair. She was busty and noticed me looking at her boobs at one point and adjusted her blouse.. Anyway I felt like the shit and I didn't feel I needed to buy anything. So before I left I introduced myself to her and asked her for her name.. We shook hands. And I then asked for her business card and to put her name on it.. I now have a contact with her. It seems effortless with AV.. I could think in the MOMENT and feel seductive at the same time.. AV seduces in the moment..

hit #5 The proactive stand.. I visit there. An Asian woman is there.. I see her before but no attraction. I tell her "hey proactive lady.. long time no see." I then go to talk about some products I had purchased 2 months back and she starts complimenting me.. Ok this may not sound like a big deal until you hear the same compliment 9 times !!! Yes You face you amazing.. !! NINE times.. Your complexion is perfect.. And then only tried to market a new finishing touch product to take me to a models complexion.. But she would repeat and repeat how attractive I looked. I thought with such compliments how hard could it be to go for the kill. I told her next time I visit I will look into the new product (like with AV I don't give a fuck if I buy anything) and thanks her by her name.. Ididn't know it saw it on her tag.. I then asked her for contact info.. She handed me her business card.. I asked her to put her name and days she works on it and I will call first .. She obeyed. I then stroker her hand and bid her farewell.

So I didn't get laid here during the daytime.. Didn't even get a kiss. But what I got was compliments, confident approaches, seductive speaking, free tea, and two business cards with two phone numbers on them, name of person, and days to reach them. This is at the mall of all places not even a nightclub.

Now all I have to do is follow up with phone calls to these women in a couple days and ask for dates. But AV makes me picky.. You see with this much attention why should I settle for any girl who wants a date.. sure sex is great but I feel like being choosy.. Is it AV or is it Me..

The best answer is does it really matter, and secondly was congruency made easy because AV's selfies give me game.. I feel supremely confident , walk with swagger and don't hesitate as much as without the mones .

My bottle of Av has produced results for me in 1 day that I didn't get in months with other mones.. Or I did get results but not in the area of seduction, just friendship or gab.

See if you analyze this email you'll notice a difference in stance from my normal messages , because Av is still consuming me today. It will lose its effectiveness in about another 2 hrs or so.. There may be more hits....

One thing for certain I find I feel more at ease approaching a woman when she is alone in a store or café than when large crowds are around.. Even with AV this is true.. I feel a bit of anxiety if others are there especially men... like there watching me and listening in.

I think this has been described in AV side effects before. The anxiety is not bad.. No changes in breathing, heart rate etc just stopped me from taking action and makes me play a back seat role.

Overall if I can isolate a woman enough to talk to her without competing men around I have 100 better chance at the number close. I am just this way.. I dont' even like to kiss in public.

This is my first AV report.. I hope it helps someone.

You disagree, so be it. We all roll differently with different mindsets and idiosyncracies. Men have and are getting laid and into relationships with and without pheromones. Since the beggining of mankind. Newsflash!!!

I've taken women home from 1 hr of meeting them in public. Yes, I do day game and get laid and into relationships. I've done this with and without Pheromones.

I see you play the long-roast Mr. Nice Guy game. And I don't agree with that kinda bs. You've been a phero user for decades. Right? I remember you from ptalk, and here and there you post the same questions about every phero product. You give the impression you want to use Pheromones as crutches to learn how to fly.

If you have game you don't need Pheromones. They don't hurt either.

Chaotic

(04-22-2014 5:07 PM)Chaotic Wrote:  You disagree, so be it. We all roll differently with different mindsets and idiosyncracies. Men have and are getting laid and into relationships with and without pheromones. Since the beggining of mankind. Newsflash!!!

I've taken women home from 1 hr of meeting them in public. Yes, I do day game and get laid and into relationships. I've done this with and without Pheromones.

I see you play the long-roast Mr. Nice Guy game. And I don't agree with that kinda bs. You've been a phero user for decades. Right? I remember you from ptalk, and here and there you post the same questions about every phero product. You give the impression you want to use Pheromones as crutches to learn how to fly.

If you have game you don't need Pheromones. They don't hurt either.

Chaotic

Are you a man of power, prestige, fame, money, extremely good looks, and charming personality? In that case you don't need pheromones. If you have all these qualities you can be a 70+ year old Hugh Hefner and have sex with playboy bunnies on your birthday. Why not?

But for most of us out there, we're not exceptionally gifted in all these areas, or even just some to very good extremes.. Many of us are older people, not the in the best physical shape, not extremely wealthy, and not extremely good with women like natural players. I think this describes over 90% of men in the world.

To these men pheromones is just another advantage, like earning another $10k a year, putting on 20 lbs of muscle, or improving your personality.

Perhaps you are very alpha and are very good at scoring ONS.. Good for you. This is not the case with the majority of people on pherotruth, hence the NEED for every advantage, pheromones being just another one.

I'm 44.. My test levels are nothing like when I was 25 no matter how well I take care of myself.. My none levels are much lower. Additional pheromones help me get recognized and on a younger woman's radar wheras without them I am not even in existence in their world.

This emphasis on game is good but not enough for the average user on pherotruth.. Game is only 1 component, just like looks, money, power, social network, sexual ability, popularity all contribute to the final result. etc.

If game was everything there'd be no market for pheromones, gyms, business of work, social venues to meet people, and sexual enhancement pills.

A wise man once said, its not about doing ONE big thing right but MANY little things right.

We can agree to disagree on this subject.

Not all of us want ONS and instant sex. Many are on the search for a GF or long term marriage partner where playing Mr nice guy can have its advantages.

(04-22-2014 6:25 PM)dsouza Wrote:  Are you a man of power, prestige, fame, money, extremely good looks, and charming personality? In that case you don't need pheromones. If you have all these qualities you can be a 70+ year old Hugh Hefner and have sex with playboy bunnies on your birthday. Why not?

But for most of us out there, we're not exceptionally gifted in all these areas, or even just some to very good extremes.. Many of us are older people, not the in the best physical shape, not extremely wealthy, and not extremely good with women like natural players. I think this describes over 90% of men in the world.

To these men pheromones is just another advantage, like earning another $10k a year, putting on 20 lbs of muscle, or improving your personality.

Perhaps you are very alpha and are very good at scoring ONS.. Good for you. This is not the case with the majority of people on pherotruth, hence the NEED for every advantage, pheromones being just another one.

I'm 44.. My test levels are nothing like when I was 25 no matter how well I take care of myself.. My none levels are much lower. Additional pheromones help me get recognized and on a younger woman's radar wheras without them I am not even in existence in their world.

This emphasis on game is good but not enough for the average user on pherotruth.. Game is only 1 component, just like looks, money, power, social network, sexual ability, popularity all contribute to the final result. etc.

If game was everything there'd be no market for pheromones, gyms, business of work, social venues to meet people, and sexual enhancement pills.

A wise man once said, its not about doing ONE big thing right but MANY little things right.

We can agree to disagree on this subject.

Not all of us want ONS and instant sex. Many are on the search for a GF or long term marriage partner where playing Mr nice guy can have its advantages.

I am nothing special in terms of wealth nor looks nor popularity. And I enjoy Pheromones mainly for the fun they can deliver.

Please read at least the last posts of my journal/rambings before you emit any judgement on where I stand on relationships, women, and sex.

It's obvious you haven't, but yet you are here talking about me only looking for ONS.

Pheromones can tip the balance in about 5-10% in any given situation. A great phero product/mix may stretch it out a 20%. Means you still have to do at least 80% of the work.

I don't agree with your shit and you don't agree with mine. And that's fine. We are not here to convince anyone about anything.

I don't think I have the best game. I do flirt a lot. But I like the edge that mones have given me. Can I score without mones? Absolutely! But I don't mind the little enhancement mones give.

I actually believe that ALL mones are "action man's"...Because it's clearly up to the individual to make the most of a situation, whether it be social, sexual or NO mones at all.

(04-22-2014 6:43 PM)V-nice Wrote:  I don't think I have the best game. I do flirt a lot. But I like the edge that mones have given me. Can I score without mones? Absolutely! But I don't mind the little enhancement mones give.

I actually believe that ALL mones are "action man's"...Because it's clearly up to the individual to make the most of a situation, whether it be social, sexual or NO mones at all.

I don't have the best game either as I've been out of the game and in Long Term Relationship for past 10 years.. Only recently have I come out of Long Term Relationship and on the hunt again this time at 44.

I don't think mones are a must but they do help.. I think game is needed but I don't think game is everything.. If you have game but are too old (say 80-90), too poor ( say not enough to afford dates), say to unhealthy (say you have a terminal illness) , does it really matter how much game you have? You're not scoring.. Mones, games, and other factors like physical health, wealth, appearance, and personality all combine to make us the best we can be. And that is the bottom line.

On a totally different note I wanted to let you people know that Garry has confirmed to me via email that AV contains NO Androstadienone .

I asked him this before my purchase.

You may be thinking well of course it doesn't! Well I have seen youtube channels featuring pheromones like AV go on to describe it as having Androstadienone content and other ingredients .

LAL has been very guarded about their formulas but Garry has stated this one fact explicitly to me via email.

FYI

We've all seen a guy, who may not be the best looking guy around, yet he has himself a super gorgeous woman!! We're probably thinking, what does he got?" Is it his Game? Money? Personality? Pheromones?...I guess either or can do it or a combination of all will definitely do the trick. I guess it's up for debate?

I have myself a hot girlfriend and was wearing the BEAST, and me getting her was mostly due to my charm and seeming more "manly" (as she put it) in my approach, But I'll give enough credit to AV for enhancing the attraction, as I exposed her to it a few times! She had guys who would see her, hit on her, and ask for her number. I would NEVER hit on her and never seemed needy. Yet, I delivered some flowers one day with my contact, and simply left it in her hands whether she would decide to respond. Though one guy did have her number, she told me my approach of things were more gentleman-like which was something she wasn't used to, and I ended up sealing the deal. AV definitely gave me that interesting man aura and I always feel like 007 whenever I wear it...oh so smooth! She was more intrigued by me(that AV edge) but also my approach wasn't that of a man just trying for a hit and run.