I may have missed something, but what is "the big three," walsh?

"For this reason, ETFZ and CV4 (along with the ever-trusty NA) may be the most foolproof mixes out there right now for relationships"

I just dubbed them the "big 3" because I like catchy names. Like My handle "Walsh77" is actually a college nickname I earned (and I use that term loosely) from my time at Temple University.

I don't think ETFZ and CV4 have had nearly enough testing do be named amongst the "big 3" alongside NA.

I know...I was just being playful. Not trying to assign a nickname to anything. Sometimes sarcasm can be difficult to pick up, lol.

Ekscentra, thanks for your conclusions on CV4, though I can't help but wonder, what were the scenarios that had you make those conclusions? Same with etfz, you make many claims about the product, but have you actually gotten out of the friend zone with it? What actually happened?

(09-29-2015 1:34 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  Then there's the sexual side, which existed in CORE but noticed by few. It wasn't too heavy in sexuality, but it was there in a low-key sort of way. While ETFZ is noticeably more forward in its sexuality without being offputting, CV4 is equally sexual but, being a more rounded mix, that sexuality sits nicely in the background until you yourself bring it out. Like ETFZ, there's no "just friends" vibe to this mix. I think users would be extremely hard-pressed to get stuck in the friendzone with either of these two mixes. For this reason, ETFZ and CV4 (along with the ever-trusty NA) may be the most foolproof mixes out there right now for relationships, as well as ETFZ for a sexual and CV4 for literally anything.

ETFZ pretty much covers the whole of sexual tension for you - it's a great mix in that respect, and it doesn't even need extra buffers (nor extra Androstenone).
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You make ETFZ sound like it can be used for anything?? ETFZ, dating, pickup, relationships etc? Is it really a multiuse product or designed specifically just to get out of the FZ ? I'm interested in hearing more on this product from you...

Secondly has it actually worked for you? Have you actually ETFZ with any woman? How do you KNOW it works? Give an example.

To me the jury is still out on PT products..

dsouza

(10-04-2015 7:15 AM)dsouza Wrote:  You make ETFZ sound like it can be used for anything?? ETFZ, dating, pickup, relationships etc? Is it really a multiuse product or designed specifically just to get out of the FZ ? I'm interested in hearing more on this product from you...

Secondly has it actually worked for you? Have you actually ETFZ with any woman? How do you KNOW it works? Give an example.

To me the jury is still out on PT products..

dsouza

I haven't gotten in the FZ for a very long time, regardless of the mix in question. All I said was that the vibe these two products give out don't feel conducive to getting FZ'ed. They have the perfect amount of sexual tension you'd need with just enough bonding, neither being too overt. Further testing will be needed (especially with ETFZ) to confirm if it lives up to my suspicions. Right now that's all they are with regards to getting out of the FZ - "suspicions."

To add, I suspect Eks recommending ETFZ is part of his interest in getting more reports from the multitude who have it to use it and report on it. Am I right or am I right? (Good lookin out, BTW!)

(10-04-2015 2:29 PM)RTBoss Wrote:  To add, I suspect Eks recommending ETFZ is part of his interest in getting more reports from the multitude who have it to use it and report on it. Am I right or am I right? (Good lookin out, BTW!)

That's always a small part of my reason for reommending any product. This is true.

Ekscentra, without justifications with real examples and scenarios, your reports become nothing more than unsubstantiated hype. There's too much wishful thinking going around the forums these days, I'm just making sure your reports are not those. I think a healthy dose of skepticism and cross checking is necessary for keeping up the objectivity. Let's not think any of us is immune to wishful thinking, even the best of us fall for it sometimes.

What are your testing environments? Testing methods? Target age, ethnicity, personality? Dosage and app points? HITS??? Dude you skip all these necessary info and jump straight to the conclusion. How do we know you're not just spraying these on yourself in your mother's basement and making "educated guesses"? You're not giving enough info. Don't think of this as an attack, I mean well and I want to see your well written review given the credibility it deserves, because as well written as it is I can't accept it at face value.

Look at the M3X thread. Lovely reports with juicy details.

How come nobody asks these questions nowadays? Paradox where art thou???