Just a few questions for the more knowledged.

Being into body building, I've used a shit ton of suppliments. One I've used is a transdermal DHEA you rub on the skin. Enzymes on the skin conver the DHEA to target hormones and its absorbed through the skin. This can have an effect on your HPTA system, but at 4 week cycles is negligible. What is to make me believe this isn't happening if I spray myself with a mix containing DHEA? though I understand the content amounts is much smaller than I've used.

Again, in the bodybuilding suppliment world, there are shady companies, outragious claims, poor raw material testing and little FDA requirements. This leads many to use third party labs to test others products. Many will send a few pills to Patrick Arnold(man and chemist behind the Marc McGwire scandal). He will test to see if the proclaimed ingredients are actually in the formulas, how much is actually in, and any impurities, banned Substances, or unlisted ingredients. How come this can't be done with Androtic Directs putatives?

(03-14-2012 10:53 AM)Grape Ape Wrote:  Just a few questions for the more knowledged.

Being into body building, I've used a shit ton of suppliments. One I've used is a transdermal DHEA you rub on the skin. Enzymes on the skin conver the DHEA to target hormones and its absorbed through the skin. This can have an effect on your HPTA system, but at 4 week cycles is negligible. What is to make me believe this isn't happening if I spray myself with a mix containing DHEA? though I understand the content amounts is much smaller than I've used.

Again, in the bodybuilding suppliment world, there are shady companies, outragious claims, poor raw material testing and little FDA requirements. This leads many to use third party labs to test others products. Many will send a few pills to Patrick Arnold(man and chemist behind the Marc McGwire scandal). He will test to see if the proclaimed ingredients are actually in the formulas, how much is actually in, and any impurities, banned Substances, or unlisted ingredients. How come this can't be done with Androtic Directs putatives?

As to your DHEA questions, that sounds like a question that Chris or Dbot could best answer. You should see what you can find over at Hacking the Hive!

For the androtics putatives, I would expect that that stuff could be done at any time, but that it would be quite expensive, and that money is the main holdback.

Tbh though, after seeing all the new molecules Chris, Dbot and others have been revealing lately and the rate they're finding them at, I no longer care too much if we never find out what the coded putatives were!

For example, I came here looking for p86, but almost immediately found multiple other beautifying molecules, and a couple were reported to be even better than p86!

I understand wanting to find out just for the sake of finding out though. Hopefully somene will be able to confirm whether its just about the money, or if the reason is something else.

It is very likely that a small amount of any pheromone will absorb through your skin, unless you apply to your clothes.

If you want to prevent bacterial conversion on the skin, you can add some monolaurin or grapefruit seed extract to your mix as antimicrobials. Although, to my knowledge there aren't any strong androgens produced on the skin, usually aromatics that have little or no androgenic activity. Once absorbed, however, the DHEA is readily converted to sex hormones.

Re: Androtics, there have been some efforts to analyze their putatives, but they add extra "musks" to obfuscate their materials, and cost became prohibitive.

(03-14-2012 11:51 AM)dbot Wrote:  It is very likely that a small amount of any pheromone will absorb through your skin, unless you apply to your clothes.

If you want to prevent bacterial conversion on the skin, you can add some monolaurin or grapefruit seed extract to your mix as antimicrobials. Although, to my knowledge there aren't any strong androgens produced on the skin, usually aromatics that have little or no androgenic activity. Once absorbed, however, the DHEA is readily converted to sex hormones.

Re: Androtics, there have been some efforts to analyze their putatives, but they add extra "musks" to obfuscate their materials, and cost became prohibitive.

I was actually thinking about getting some DHEAS soon, but I'll have to be thinking more where I apply it now. Thanks as always for the info!

Do the silicone bases like over at alpha dream make a difference, and are they versatile enough to be applied to clothing as well as skin?

I thought I also saw some similar type of alternate carrier at Love Potion (as far as goals go) and they said something about it reacting with peroxide??? What does that mean?

It's on this page

I wouldn't be particularly concerned about DHEA or DHEAS. Check out the dosages of transdermal DHEA. They're thousands of times larger than a typical pheromone application.

I'm just starting to play around with applying this to my clothing rather than skin; maybe some others will have something to say about the effectiveness of doing this.

Product description.
http://www.leanbulk.com/forum/supplement...-faqs.html

Would this conversion effect defusion of the dhea though?

(03-14-2012 1:00 PM)dbot Wrote:  I wouldn't be particularly concerned about DHEA or DHEAS. Check out the dosages of transdermal DHEA. They're thousands of times larger than a typical pheromone application.

I'm just starting to play around with applying this to my clothing rather than skin; maybe some others will have something to say about the effectiveness of doing this.

Ah, good. That makes me feel better. I'd still like to dabbble in the oer fixatives though, looks fun.

And I never got into clothing applications much, because when I first did one I found it stained the clothing and didn't easily come out. I prefer to keep my applications as seperate as possible for the most part so I can be sure that one day wasn't influenced by what I wore another day, be it yesterday or a month ago.

I have used a small amount of hair applications, and while I have to say it makes my tons of already crazy frizzy poofy hair even frizzier if I'm not careful, the result is awesome, especially if you want to shake your hair and make the 'mones go a bit further. I've found that hair diffusion tends to work really well because the movement of the hair fans the air around it slightly and helps the pheromones go a lot further in addition to helping them go further at just the right time: when you're movement would have naturally made others aware of your presence visually in the first place. People tend to forget about things visually if they stay still, so I found it works nicely to "shake the hair out of my face" now and again if I want to keep their attention.

Sadly, I've also had trouble getting it out of my hair, but it isn't quite so bad as a clothing stain. It just tends to build if used in significant amounts daily, so I tend to either use small trace amounts daily, or use larger amounts but less often. I found both to work well.

Towards the beginning of my phero journey, I thought it would be cool to wear long sleeves rolled up above phero applications and roll them down when I wanted to lessen the strength of the 'mones, but the amount that built up on the inside of my clothes was awful.

My personal favorite for being able to change the strength the targets are experiencing is to test on a windy day with them. Depending on how directly upwind or downwind you stand, you can almost double the strength or get rid of it almost entirely! It can be fun seeing how a mix hits 'em, and on a windy day you get to do it again and again! It's always interesting seeing how they respond to the little blasts.

(03-14-2012 1:11 PM)Grape Ape Wrote:  Would this conversion effect defusion of the dhea though?

Well yes, because it wouldn't be DHEA anymore, it would be something else.

And dbot, wouldn't the alcohol based mixes already kill the bugs with all that alcohol? Or would that effect only be initially, and go away after the alcohol evaporated?

Oxyclean in the wash for your clothes works wonders.