(09-24-2015 6:19 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  ETFZ defiitely succeeds in what it's designed to do, but there is a nice amount of comfort and bonding in there from the Beta -nol. It's not at the same level you'd expect from an Androstadienone -based product, however.

Can you share with us some specific stories, Ekscentra? Or did I miss your report?

(09-24-2015 7:36 PM)raikahoken Wrote:  Can you share with us some specific stories, Ekscentra? Or did I miss your report?

I don't have any specific stories that stood out to me at this point. For now, I'll be testing M3x, but I may go back to ETFZ at some point.

(09-24-2015 7:01 PM)kehawe Wrote:  Kimosabe, in another thread in which ETFZ was discussed, Snoopyace, who like you is very experienced with PT products, seems to suggest that EFTZ and GOA were similar products which is why I asked the question. I am going to re-read his post to make sure I did not misunderstand what he was saying.

Based on my limited testing, I felt that EFTZ is a sexual product, one that is not overly sexual since it is buffered well. I didn't feel any comfort or bonding factors therein, but again, my testing is limited since it was a sample.

I'll have to go with a full bottle and test before I can confirm this, but once again, based on my limited testing, I didn't feel the comfort or bonding factors in EFTZ.

This is also why, in another post where someone asked about running EFTZ and GOA in combo, I discouraged it since getting out of the friendzone involves creating sexual tension. Perhaps there may be some level of imprinting in EFTZ to burn this sexual tension into the heart/mind of the target, but I cannot say for sure again due to limited testing.

On the PT site, John says that ETFZ is the mix he's most proud of.

I'd like to hear why, especially with the glowing reviews of most of his other products.

I thought it was Dunamis Duo he was most proud of?

(09-25-2015 9:09 AM)HappyGoSkillfully Wrote:  I thought it was Dunamis Duo he was most proud of?

You're right. I just reread the product descriptions.

This is from ETFZ:

"I developed this pheromone product to break you though the barriers to help you Escape the Friend Zone. I take pride in how this product is designed. Many times when you wear pheromones around people who know you very very well, they will subconsciously know something is a bit… off, and a lot of the times their brains will compensate and just ignore the pheromones if it’s too different than how they know you. "

So he takes pride in its design.

To me, the description makes it seem like it's a friendly product that becomes more sexual over time - like Evolve.

Wow still can't believe we don't have any dynamos duo reports?

ETFZ looks like it could be good though. I feel like that is one aspect from xist that is missing, sexuality.

There was one report here, but that's about it though. http://pherotruth.org/Thread-Spotlight-Dunamis-Duo

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one.

Not trying to divert this thread however

(09-24-2015 9:22 PM)kimosabe Wrote:  Based on my limited testing, I felt that EFTZ is a sexual product, one that is not overly sexual since it is buffered well. I didn't feel any comfort or bonding factors therein, but again, my testing is limited since it was a sample.

I'll have to go with a full bottle and test before I can confirm this, but once again, based on my limited testing, I didn't feel the comfort or bonding factors in EFTZ.

This is also why, in another post where someone asked about running EFTZ and GOA in combo, I discouraged it since getting out of the friendzone involves creating sexual tension. Perhaps there may be some level of imprinting in EFTZ to burn this sexual tension into the heart/mind of the target, but I cannot say for sure again due to limited testing.

Kimo, how does ETFZ compare to AT? Are they similar?