(08-26-2013 8:14 PM)Dafixisin Wrote:  Wow... that sounds like it is/was quite the ordeal.

My advice is to lower your dosages to 1 spray of each max. SteveO's blends were designed to work at just 1 spray each; they're obviously chock full of molecules.

Of the products you're using, were any of them recent additions? Maybe, you've stumbled onto a molecule combo that just doesn't jive (obviously) with folks' chemistries.

Yes it was a horrible experience and still a little wooozzy. I just bought the
xist and cohesion and 111 and evolve 2 weeks ago. Its really weird because for the first 10 days I was fine.

One other thing. I leave everything in my car ALL together all 5 bottles xist, cohession, 111 and evolve and a bottle of Ascend. all the bottles are fine no leeks but do you think that all of them being in a closed space like that could have been an issue ??


Thanks

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(08-26-2013 8:28 PM)dexter Wrote:  HAHA. Take a look at my posts on progesterone over the years. Causes a morning sickness in men & women if it hits the right level. Maybe you had a dose of mones that contained progesterone. I think LAID used it, their ingredients list sounded like a laundry list of birth control pills.

Also some molecules will cause my sinuses in my held to swell, giving me headaches, as well as various viagra like things. Fluticasone prorionate was a quick releif. It is a steroid anti-inflamatory (Flonase) that works wonders to get rid of some 'mones side effects for me, within a few minutes it starts working.

Thanks Flonase is over the counter here so i might try that tommorw just to see if that helps.

Get a complex b vitamin supplement. Take it more than once a day. Drink lots of water. take days off from wearing mones. Take more b vitamins with healthy fats to increase assimilation. Take a good daily multivitamin. Eat more fresh foods. Also consider taking maca and epimedium (aka horny goat weed) on the days you do not wear mones to increase your tolerence and enhance your natural mone production. Feel better

You'll dramatically increase your exposure if you hotbox yourself in a car while wearing mones. How do you know that there are no leaks in the bottles? You can't smell anything?

(08-26-2013 6:27 PM)Sambo Wrote:  Thanks guys feeling a little better.

Has anyone else heard of such strong reactions / self effects like this happening to people ? In all the threads I read before starting I didn't see any.

Thanks

I'm sorry that you're not feeling well. I too occasionally experience light headedness, dizziness, headaches, anxiety attacks and lethargy especially when I wear mixes with heavy androstadienone for many days straight. Sometimes I crash in the afternoon and I just want to sleep.

(08-27-2013 12:56 AM)wiserd Wrote:  You'll dramatically increase your exposure if you hotbox yourself in a car while wearing mones. How do you know that there are no leaks in the bottles? You can't smell anything?

Yes I can't smell anything and there are no spills or liquid marks but how much do you think it wud increase exposure a lot?

(08-27-2013 7:20 AM)Sambo Wrote:  Yes I can't smell anything and there are no spills or liquid marks but how much do you think it wud increase exposure a lot?

Yeah. Quite a bit. I don't have an exact number, but several times over, I'd say.

(08-27-2013 7:20 AM)Sambo Wrote:  Yes I can't smell anything and there are no spills or liquid marks but how much do you think it wud increase exposure a lot?

Oh yeah. Even after the scent wears away the tiny little molecules can rest on surfaces, and when disturbed (Opening/closing the door), can become lofty again.

Don't store them in your car. Not just for the OD, but repeated Hot/cold cycles will cause degradation. Like alchohol, leave them in a cool dark place my friend. Consider putting the ones you use most often in small spray bottles you can take with you instead of leaving them all in your car.

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(08-27-2013 7:20 AM)Sambo Wrote:  Yes I can't smell anything and there are no spills or liquid marks but how much do you think it wud increase exposure a lot?

Oh yeah. Even after the scent wears away the tiny little molecules can rest, and when disturbed (Opening/closing the door), can become lofty again.

Don't store them in your car. Not just for the OD, but repeated Hot/cold cycles will cause degradation. Like alchohol, leave them in a cool dark place my friend. Consider putting the ones you use most often in small spray bottles you can take with you instead of leaving them all in your car.

(08-27-2013 12:56 AM)wiserd Wrote:  You'll dramatically increase your exposure if you hotbox yourself in a car while wearing mones. How do you know that there are no leaks in the bottles? You can't smell anything?

Totally true. When in an open area, you diffuse into the air and it just keeps spreading outward. In a car that is closed, you keep diffusing, but when it hits the windows it just starts bouncing around the car and building up higher concentrations in the air. Think about it as if you have a scented air freshener hanging from your rear view mirror in a car. If you have the doors closed and windows up it keeps getting stronger. if you leave the windows open it would let the scent out. Mones are the same, just can't smell them the same as an air freshener. Could be real high concentrations like 1000x exposure if you spray them in the car and stay in the car with the windows rolled up, 1000x compared to what a person in a restaurant would be exposed to from your 'mones application.

(08-28-2013 1:16 PM)dexter Wrote:  Totally true. When in an open area, you diffuse into the air and it just keeps spreading outward. In a car that is closed, you keep diffusing, but when it hits the windows it just starts bouncing around the car and building up higher concentrations in the air. Think about it as if you have a scented air freshener hanging from your rear view mirror in a car. If you have the doors closed and windows up it keeps getting stronger. if you leave the windows open it would let the scent out. Mones are the same, just can't smell them the same as an air freshener. Could be real high concentrations like 1000x exposure if you spray them in the car and stay in the car with the windows rolled up, 1000x compared to what a person in a restaurant would be exposed to from your 'mones application.

wow 1000x is serious no wonder I'm still feeling a; little light headed and woozy 3 days after my last use and 4 hour drive

Does anyone know for how long effects can last ??

Thanks so much

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