(04-04-2016 7:05 AM)MMM Wrote:  That's all well and done, BUT ... if LIIK is still having problems, it's PROBABLY because of the NEW -NONE. That list won't tell you if it's the NEW or OLD -NONE. Once you get a new bottle, you might be able to tell the difference.

My newbie brain is fried. LIIK? Don't know what that is.

When it comes to Certo, there is no none in it. And I didn't know there was new none and old none...

This is my brain right now:

????????

LIIK is short for "Licence to Kill". It's another product by Alpha Dream (the company that made Certo). You may also see some members stating LIIK v1 and LIIK v2 ; that's because there are 2 versions. V2 has more none than V1.

You said you bought in February 2016? Ask the seller the year in which he bought it from Alpha Dream but don't tell him the reason you're asking as he may lie, by giving you an old date, just to make you feel better that you have the one with the original -none......although to my surprise, I can't see androstenone in the ingredient list. So certo doesn't contain any??

But either way, if the product is getting you laid, then who cares as long as it's working, right?

(04-04-2016 9:02 AM)ShadowX114 Wrote:  LIIK is short for "Licence to Kill". It's another product by Alpha Dream (the company that made Certo). You may also see some members stating LIIK v1 and LIIK v2 ; that's because there are 2 versions. V2 has more none than V1.

You said you bought in February 2016? Ask the seller the year in which he bought it from Alpha Dream but don't tell him the reason you're asking as he may lie, by giving you an old date, just to make you feel better that you have the one with the original -none......although to my surprise, I can't see androstenone in the ingredient list. So certo doesn't contain any??

But either way, if the product is getting you laid, then who cares as long as it's working, right?

Well I care a little bit. I've come to the point where I realize that knowing what in something is useful.

I did ask the reseller. They told me it was the newest version. They mentioned Hedione not being in it, though I have to admit, I don't know yet what Hedione is yet. At that point I was happy to get an improved version.

And I checked the list again, I see no androstenone. To double-check, I went to their official site. These are the ingredients listed:

Decamethylcyclopentasiloxane, ultra-low viscosity dimethylpolysiloxane, Anhydrous Ethanol, androstadienone, epiandrosterone, alpha-androstenol, beta-androstenol, androstanone, dehydroepiandrosterone sodium sulfate, dihydrodeoxycorticosterone.

Unless I overlooked it, there's no none in it.

Would this be a reason to switch to a different product? It did get me laid, but something that will get me laid even easier would be nice.

(04-04-2016 7:14 AM)Lucifer Wrote:  My newbie brain is fried. LIIK? Don't know what that is.

When it comes to Certo, there is no none in it. And I didn't know there was new none and old none...

This is my brain right now:

????????

I'm sorry; and don't tell anyone, but I was WRONG. UNLESS! All the ingredients are NOT listed. *rolling eyes*

(04-04-2016 12:11 PM)MMM Wrote:  I'm sorry; and don't tell anyone, but I was WRONG. UNLESS! All the ingredients are NOT listed. *rolling eyes*

Lol. It's only eternally stored on the internet. No need to worry about it being traced back to you.

No, it doesn't have none in it. And it's a molecule I'm wildly curious about, so my next purchase might be AM or something good from another vendor.

I wouldn't be surprised if I went back to Certo eventually though. It gets the job done for me.

Then again, I see Ekscentra is mixing up some interesting concoctions, so who know what I'll end up with.

Hey MMM - you might not necessarily be wrong, even though not listed on the AD site.

In the 'New AM 2016' thread there are 2 replies (62&82) where Chris wrote you back stating there was -none in certo.


http://pherotruth.org/Thread-New-AM-2016...#pid175737
For the reference of others, the needed amount of androstenone to be added to 50 ml products is as follows:

Alfa Maschio: 1 mg
LIIK V1: 1mg
LIIK V2: 1.2 mg
Certo: 0.5 mg
L'uomo Amore: 0.8 mg

http://pherotruth.org/Thread-New-AM-2016...#pid176036

I'm offering my personal guarantee, and my word to you, that as of the beginning of last week (February 29th), all products for men sold and shipped since then (including now) [this includes LIIK V1, LIIK V2, Alfa Maschio, Certo, and L'uomo Amore] have been corrected absolutely with the 70% androstenone content increased. There should be absolutely no issue now with any products for men that have been purchased since Feb. 29th.

Why would they lie about it? I feel like asking for a refund. I'd rather have AM instead?

Does this type of stuff happen often in the mone world?

Ok, I asked for a refund or a bottle of AM to replace it. This is not a good sign for the company.

(04-04-2016 1:09 PM)Lucifer Wrote:  Why would they lie about it? I feel like asking for a refund. I'd rather have AM instead?

Does this type of stuff happen often in the mone world?

It's NOT about lying, it's about NOT giving out their recipe. At least, that's how I HOPE it is.

And I still say that a DIFFERENT BRAND OF -NONE COULD change any formula forever.

To be continued ...

(04-04-2016 2:03 PM)MMM Wrote:  It's NOT about lying, it's about NOT giving out their recipe. At least, that's how I HOPE it is.

And I still say that a DIFFERENT BRAND OF -NONE COULD change any formula forever.

To be continued ...

Their site says:


Samenstelling: androstadienone, epiandrosterone, alpha-androstenol, beta-androstenol, androstanone, dehydroepiandrosterone, dehydrodeoxycorticosterone, cyclomethicone, dimethicone, alcohol, vitamine-E acetaat, sodiumsulfaat.


Samenstelling means "consists of"


The official site:

COMPOSITION: Decamethylcyclopentasiloxane, ultra-low viscosity dimethylpolysiloxane, Anhydrous Ethanol, androstadienone, epiandrosterone, alpha-androstenol, beta-androstenol, androstanone, dehydroepiandrosterone sodium sulfate, dihydrodeoxycorticosterone.



If there is none in it, they are lying by omission.