(10-27-2012 11:23 AM)wiserd Wrote:  I guess you could say that incest is a relative thing. *cue rimshot*

It is to laugh.

(10-04-2012 2:43 PM)dexter Wrote:  Histocompatibility
An instinctive urge for women to seek a mate who has an immune system different from her own in order to have children with the best of both.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-histocompatibility.htm

Haplotype
A bunch of genes together in your DNA make a haplotype. A genetic trait that causes you to have some genetic trait, from blue eyes, to 12 toes, to an immune response that women can smell, unbeknownst to them.

How they relate to pheromones.Histocompatibility is sensed by women thru smell. Or inhaled chemosensory signals that are determined not thru smell, but possibly the VNO or other physiological processes. So like pheromones, they can override logic and to a degree give those females a sort of "BEER GOGGLES" drawing them toward a mate who has different Immune Haplotypes than herself, for the betterment of the offspring. And nobody does it conciously, it is a below concious input to the decision making process.

Using birth control has been shown to overpower the inborn Histocompatibility and temporarily change the selection direction while the synthetic hormones are in the system.

Pheromones my do the same thing, possibly attracting women/men that would otherwise not feel the "chemistry".

Is there a chance that once the pheromone effect wears off, the histocompatibility will revert and the "chemistry" will be GONE?

This is highly informative. This post certainly affects the way I am looking at pheromones. I'm always learning. This is a fantastic thread. Thank you for the awesome article.

That's some really good food for thought.

I would think that Histocompatibility wouldn't concern much for those who aren't really looking to start a family...

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That's some really good food for thought.

I would think that Histocompatibility wouldn't concern much for those who aren't really looking to start a family...

(11-03-2012 8:11 PM)seeusmile Wrote:  That's some really good food for thought.

I would think that Histocompatibility wouldn't concern much for those who aren't really looking to start a family...

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That's some really good food for thought.

I would think that Histocompatibility wouldn't concern much for those who aren't really looking to start a family...

1. In the ancestral environment, kids would always be a possibility. It's a genetically ingrained assumption.

2. If beauty is a marker for health, wouldn't you think that those not looking to start a family wouldn't care about beauty, either?

I'm not really clear by the second post sorries!

I just think girls wouldn't dump you over your pheromones wearing out or having chemistry with you because 'I wanna have your babies!'

It's an automatic thing. It's why some people smell better to you than others. I dated a guy once and was repulsed by his personal smell. We didn't last long. It's not that you know these factors are in play and can decide against them. It's very simply who will be attractive to you. IMO you can't overcome them. It's basic and primal but very very important.

(10-27-2012 1:10 AM)CaveCritter Wrote:  This was all covered in the Discovery Channel Documentary called The Science of Sex Appeal. They also mention that through smell we can determine who is a "family member" supposedly to prevent incest, which I thought was very interesting.

So many of the MHC and haplotype studies are on mice though. And I think that those mice and rats are so inbred, for purposes of having them be identical, to remove extra variability in the experiments, that some of the "preventing incest" notion is lost in those studies, since they are all essentially very close to being identical twins.

(11-03-2012 8:11 PM)seeusmile Wrote:  I would think that Histocompatibility wouldn't concern much for those who aren't really looking to start a family...

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That's some really good food for thought.

HaHa,
What you don't realize is that "IS" the reason, that there is sub-conscious/non-conscious drive to "MATE/MAKE BABIES/START FAMILY" and that the conscious mind can rationalize and find reasons to like and dislike people for companionship/money/looks, but there is always the other urge going on simultaneously.

Think of it like people who go on diets. The conscious/rational mind thinks "I should eat less, exercise more, and lose weight. The sub-conscious mind says "CHEESEBURGER". I loved seeing the show where they had all the past contestants from the TV Series "Biggest Loser" and most all had gained all the weight back.

So, which is stronger? Rational thought or Primal Urge?
"CHEESEBURGER" wins.


But with mones and Haplotypes, you should equate this with that "Spark", "Chemistry", "That Feeling". Sometimes you just like somebody and you're not sure why. Some of that has something to do with these chemical signals. Do you ever just get "that feeling"? Some of it can be attributed to this.

So good looks/money/commonality all have roles in relationships, but don't think that there isn't the unseen but smelled aspect that taints your thoughts for better or worse in almost all cases. Where your girl smells another guy and all of a sudden you are single again, and she can't explain it either.

It is best explained by the phrases where the conscious mind tries to explain the actions that are a result of the sub-conscious mind being in control:
"It's not you, it's me."
"We just grew apart."
"We should see other people."
"I think of you as a good friend."
et cetera...
What these phrases mean is, I found a better smelling person, and I can't smell it because it is unconscious, but it just registers with me a primal level, so can you get your stuff out of my house/apartment.

ahh dexter!! <3 good to see you again!

Ahhh I see now. Thank you for making very understandable for me to read

So i guess to prevent that from happening Block their noses!!!

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ahh dexter!! <3 good to see you again!

Ahhh I see now. Thank you for making very understandable for me to read

So i guess to prevent that from happening Block their noses!!!

(12-14-2012 2:13 AM)seeusmile Wrote:  So i guess to prevent that from happening Block their noses!!!

I think it is harder than just blocking his/her/their noses.
Not only must you avoid the negative, you must assert the positive.

You can't attract by lowering the amount of repellant they smell, you must both increase the attractant and lower the repellant at the same time.

In a 1 Dimensional world these would be the same thing. But since there are multiple chemosensory molecules that play into the pheromone game, you must see that this is more than a simple solution.

Also, people can breath thru their mouths. Perhaps accessing veromanasal organ pheromone sensation with a plugged nose thru the mouth.

But if you block the nose and mouth they will never dump you, due to death by suffocation, so there is no help coming from that route either.