Hi everyone, I've searched through the site several different ways, but I cant find the direct answer to this question: Is beta-androstAnol and beta-androstEnol (and the alpha versions) interchangeable? If not what exactly is the different between AndrostEnol and AndrostAnol?

I've grasped the difference between alpha and beta -nols as it relates to social pheromones. But I've seen some sites call -Enol a social and others call AndrostAnol a social. Ack. So confusing. Please help! Thanks-Sporty

Beta-Androstenol: http://hackingthehive.com/wiki/main/pher...drostenol/

Beta-Androstanol: http://hackingthehive.com/wiki/main/pher...drostanol/

Thanks dbot! That definitely clears up a lot!!!

Hi Sporty,

They are not really interchangeable per se - the effects of Beta Androstenol and beta-stanol may be somewhat similar (both elicit social responses), however the beta-stanol is about 3 times more potent by weight than the Beta Androstenol. The Beta Androstenol seems to evoke a very direct, straight-to-the-point, talkative effect, however the beta-stanol seems to be a more lighthearted, fun molecule which puts most people in a good mood, and also promotes more conversation.

Besides the difference in the effects that they elicit, it's important most of all to consider the difference in potency between the two.

Hope this helps...

Chris @ Alpha

Interesting that you're seeing such a significant difference in potency between these two, Chris. For me, the most effective dose is in the 25-50mcg range for both.

(02-28-2012 5:30 PM)dbot Wrote:  Interesting that you're seeing such a significant difference in potency between these two, Chris. For me, the most effective dose is in the 25-50mcg range for both.

You could be right dbot.. Everyone is different in their perception of mones. I was going by the minimum amount needed to have any real effect... To me it seems like beta-stAnol is more powerful in that way ::shrug::

- chris

That definitely makes sense! Although the pheromone experience is subjective, are there any single molecules you recommend a woman dabbling in these (myself of course) should definitely have? And if so, which dose range seems to illicit the minimal effect?

(02-28-2012 8:09 PM)SportyCurve5 Wrote:  That definitely makes sense! Although the pheromone experience is subjective, are there any single molecules you recommend a woman dabbling in these (myself of course) should definitely have? And if so, which dose range seems to illicit the minimal effect?

Estratetraenol! This is the holy grail of pheromones for women, in my opinion. It's active between 10 micrograms up to 150 micrograms. I usually go very heavy with estratetraenol in products for women. I say the more the merrier up to a certain point (about 150 mcg I think).

Alpha androstenol (and to a lesser extent beta) are also very good for women. Between 10 to 75 mcg in my opinion is a good range.

A 2:1 ratio of estratetraenol to alpha androstenol is a really good place to start.

DHEAS is another really good one, for both men and women. 25-100 mcg.

Some may say that epiandrosterone (beta androsterone) is good for women, I'm not so sure on that one. 10-35 mcg would be a good starting point.

Last but not least, Copulins!! I don't sell these directly, but you can buy essence of women from some stores, and dilute it heavily to achieve the best effect.

You can also talk to Mara from love potion and ask members on her forum for advice.

Estratetraenol, Alpha Androstenol, DHEAS, and copulins and you will be off to a really great start.

Chris @ Alpha Dream

Awesome! I havent seen much on the social pheromones causing the 'ghosting effect.' Are they less likely to cause this? I read that beta-androstAnol testers have seen this effect...how likely is this to be caused by the socials?

Ha ha Chris said the same molecules I said minus the Androstadienone (answered on other forum). I have never had any problem with ghosting with the socials. And I have worn massive amounts for testing purposes. Just my experience.