(08-25-2015 9:37 AM)Mr. E Wrote: You know, that brings up a thought I had a while back. I was imagining my ideal blend. And I realized that it would have to be a product that:
- Generates comfort, trust and safety (women like to feel comfortable with someone along with feeling attracted)
- Generates rapport (connection, friendliness, playfulness, all that kind of stuff). This, based on comfort, trust and safety is really powerful and you have a wonderful social at this point.
- Generates general attraction. The general sense of attraction women can feel for someone. In the context of the previous two being there, they will feel just fine experiencing this.
Then it would need to escalate into actual lust/sexual desire. I would not want this in the blend. If the 3 elements I mentioned are there, it's not all that hard for them to either go there themselves or take them there.
Also, I wouldn't want any imprinting or falling in love elements in there. I use Voodoo right now and like the social element. But I would not like someone to fall in love or bond deeply based on it. I also think it's not likely that will happen with Voodoo. Those things would also happen naturally based on the blend I made up or it's also something you work for yourself to create.
So that, at this point, based on my limited experience with mones would be my ideal blend. I like the idea of a blend that has a broad range of effects. I like Bad Wolf, but it is limited as well. Totally focused on the sexual part.
I'm sure that over time I will refine my ideal blend as I gain more experience with pheromones.
So you want a mix that creates essentially everything you need to fall in love, without the falling in love bit? That seems more than a little unreasonable. Drop that part and SXD-9 is the mix you're looking for. SXD-9 won't cause someone to fall deeply in love on its own, but the potential is there.
This is a tough question. SXD-9 is wonderfully versatile, but its weak projection in general, and the fact that I can't use gel-based products during cold weather (that's half the year where I live, mind you!) disqualify it here.
A314 is a fantastic product in what it does, but there's still no denying it's a straight shooter, and then being an oil, we have that winter problem again. I need something more versatile, and I need something that projects.
Wolf is another great option, but its overt friendliness and the fact some alpha males think they can walk all over you disqualify it in my book.
OD is another possibility, but then we have another gel, and another product that doesn't work well in the winter (only outside, in OD's case), plus it can be a bit too intimidating on its own.
Most of you already know how I feel about Androstadienone , so although they may be great products for others, X22/Ladykiller, L2K, AM, Captain, and P919 would never make it onto my list.
CORE is a pretty versatile product, and CV4 is even more of an all-rounder. If Style didn't exist, CV4 would be my #1 pick, without a doubt.
So in the end, Style gets my pick. Why? It covers everything to a greater degree than any other product I own, including absolutely everything listed above, and those are some fantastic mixes. There's enough respect in there so that A314 or a heavier status mix is not required (though it is welcomed from time to time), there's enough attraction and attention-grabbing in there to not require another mix like CV4 or OD for this (though those two have worked out fantastically, especially the former), it's a great all-around social despite not containing any Alpha -nol, and thanks in large part to the generous dose of Androstanone included in here, it can be sexual on its own.
I've called Style a Wolf killer a few times, and I'll gladly say it many more times. The fact that Style exists makes Wolf obsolete, in my book. Wolf can get overly friendly at high doses, compromising on the respect and the sexuality. Without creating some distance, Wolf indirectly compromises on the attraction. Along with this, it doesn't feel as well-rounded a social either. Wolf + P75 still doesn't come close to Style for me, sorry to say.
Basically, go throw your Wolf in the trash bin and buy some Style. One of the most versatile mixes on the market is now dethroned, obsolete, and I'm perfectly fine with that.
I'm hoping my fallout mix will go an even longer way in fulfilling these conditions, and I expect it will, at the cost of not being very combination-friendly. I think that, although most vendors see the value in versatility, there aren't any mixes that are truly designed to do everything to a significant degree. Not only could this prove incredibly expensive, but most users love mixing and matching tons of different products. Something you can just put on and do absolutely anything may not have the same potential fanbase as mix-and-match mixes like CORE, but the idea still has its merit.
AV has been mentioned here, but it's inconsistent for me, and a very blatant hitter at that. Dafixisin no doubt has different criteria than most of us, but for me, the most important aspects of a "desert island mix" if you will are as follows:
1. The mix must be consistent enough and sustainable enough to use on a daily basis: when I say sustainable, I mean that a mix must not create effects that are too over-the-top, something so ridiculous the target(s) will no longer believe what happened the next day.
2. The mix must be versatile enough to use in any situation: if I were to use a single mix, I'll need a single mix that I can use in nearly any situation. Very few mixes will fall under this category, but almost all of the mixes mentioned here will fit this criteria. The mix will have to do more than simply fulfill a single effect to satisfy my choice - this, naturally, will disqualify straight-shooters like A314 and Primitive/DP, great as those mixes are. The mix will have to be able to be used during all seasons, so gels like SXD-9 and OD, and oils like X22 and A314, despite being perfect for nearly any other situation, will not make the cut. Only LAL's alcohol/DPG-based mixes and Apex's sprays can make the cut at this point, from my experience. Other sprays won't last long enough and will quickly burn off during those hot summer days - constant need for reapplication is most certainly grounds for disqualifying a mix.
3. Upon fulfilling the second condition, if possible, the mix will need to be able to do this with little or no compromise in any of the other areas: this is an important point that few posters in this thread appear to have considered. Beyond just being versatile, the mix will need to avoid any significant flaws that could limit its use in other situations.
Wearing an Androstadienone -containing mix, one could possibly become off-putting to someone who happens to be Androstadienone -hypersensitive, despite the great effects it might have on women. If this person happens to be someone you need to be around regularly, that Androstadienone -based mix could prove a liability rather than an asset. It could be fantastic around women, but fall short in the workplace. Even Captain, as much love as it gets for this situation, could prove detrimental in the workplace around the wrong target.
While Wolf fulfills these other conditions, it's as I've said before - the EST ruins the mix in high doses, and low doses can be too subtle for some users, causing them to want to increase their dose. Though Wolf works at a single drop, it's too subtle for me to consider it an all-rounder. Although there was a time where I greatly appreciated its usefulness, I can now set it aside for Style. I'm calling thundr out big time if this mix doesn't make it as a permanent part of Apex's line.
Wolf does not, to my knowledge, contain Androstanone, and this not only is great for its buddy-buddy effect, (better than EST, and without the downside of causing disrespect or a feminine/beta vibe) but it's also primarily what causes the somewhat-atypical sexual effect in Style. You'll know what I'm talking about if you've tested Androstanone/P80 next to Androstenone, or if you've tested a mix that contains it such as Style or Domination. Because of this, there's not much of a sexual effect coming from Wolf, and the rare time you do get a sexual response is indirectly a result of those few women who happen to react sexually to Epiandrosterone (quite rare in my experience, and they seem to be primarily Caucasian). Even were there Androstanone in Wolf, the EST would most likely still castrate the mix once you came to a significant dose given how Garry seems to formulate his mixes in a balanced manner. There's the second part of the sexual equation.
I've already pointed out that the EST in Wolf kills the respect as well, and though this can be alleviated somewhat by the use of P75 (as well as the sexuality of Wolf, to a slight degree), removing EST and adding Androstanone instead is a much better solution, and the use of P75 not only can create too much distance, defeating the purpose of the mix, but it doesn't entirely fix the issue of respect. Wolf + P75 still isn't an all-rounder in the respect department, and once again because of the EST, the small dose of Androsterone being used is not allowed to exert its usual effects, and Epiandrosterone comes off more lightweight than usual. Epiandrosterone on its own will not cause the disrespect, excessive friendliness, and invasion of space Wolf is known for at times, but add a little too much EST in there and that's what you get.
As to the attraction, EST may at first seem attractive, but that's only because you come off as weak, overly friendly, and therefore a source of comfort for others. A good tester knows how to tell the difference. Hell, anyone who can read body language at a somewhat basic level can tell the difference. If EST were to be used in Style at anywhere near the doses that seem to be used in Wolf (and I'll mention this later), that mix would be ruined as well. The use of Androstanone in Style creates that much-needed initial distance that Wolf lacks. The removal of EST and the addition of this single ingredient might have caused a drastically different opinion here, and I very well might have found myself recommending both Wolf and Style for slightly different reasons, but that isn't the case.
At this time, I'd estimate somewhere between 0.5-1mcg per drop is being used in Wolf, but even that is enough when most users buy it in spray form and use multiple sprays or buy it in drop form and use an enormous number of drops. EST tends to start causing problems just above the 5mcg mark, and its effects stop improving just above the 2.5mcg mark. Assuming my dosage estimate for Wolf is roughly correct, this is a strong justification for my usual recommendation of 1-4 drops, and this also explains why kimosabe and others have encountered problems at 2 sprays Wolf where there were apparently none at 1 spray.
Wolf as a mix appears built around a single flawed component when it might otherwise be a much better mix. It's this single component and the lack of one component (Androstanone) that holds it back from its true potential. Style, at the very least, reaches that true potential, if not downright surpassing it. This is why it deserves my recommendation, and this is also why it has earned my vote for "desert island mix." It's
that good.
I apologize for the long, drawn-out post, but I wanted to point out how a single ingredient difference makes for a major difference between these two mixes, and I wanted to discuss in-depth just why I no longer find myself recommending Wolf. Though it could have been my desert island mix, it falls short in some major ways.
I could see these criteria going in an entirely different direction, however. Consistency remains ever-important, but there's still the personal development side of things, and I could see A314 or Bad Wolf winning out there, despite the former falling short on versatility and the latter being more than a little problematic for some users.
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