Has anyone compiled a list of suspected or admitted ingredients for various manufacturers out there?

I ask this because i am trying to pin point why I have odd/negative self effects from certain pheromones. I'll give you a couple examples:

Wolf - what is the dominant ingredient in this that puts a spring in my step but doesn't strike fear into others?

X22 - why do I think this smells like early A314? And if it has Androstadienone , how come I don't seem to get bummed out from it?

Cohesion - this makes me immediately paranoid/aggressive followed a day later by depression. Is this the Androstadienone alone? What else is in it?

AV - why do so many users, myself include, seem to have great effects when the bottle is new and then nothing that matches?

Maybe this is a fruitless effort and I am better off just testing single molecules. But just curious if anyone has attempted to maintain a comprehensive list.

You've pointed out something interesting about AV. Does it really stop working a bit after the bottle is opened? This would suggest that a volatile component is degrading. But this doesn't seem to match other people's reports. People say that it comes and goes, or it works best after not using it for a while. (This might point to skin microorganisms, but that is speculation) I don't have AV, so anyone want to confirm/deny this?

(04-12-2016 9:52 PM)NP17 Wrote:  You've pointed out something interesting about AV. Does it really stop working a bit after the bottle is opened? This would suggest that a volatile component is degrading. But this doesn't seem to match other people's reports. People say that it comes and goes, or it works best after not using it for a while. (This might point to skin microorganisms, but that is speculation) I don't have AV, so anyone want to confirm/deny this?

I've noticed that with several LAL products ... wolf, AV, possess... after awhile the smell seems to be off. maybe this has something to do with it. As you said, maybe a component is degrading? i also don't seem to be getting the same effects from wolf that i used to when the bottle was new.

I've gone through three bottles of AV, two rollers and one bulb dropper. I've never had a problem.
I think the problem is build up and not completely washing the mones off, for me anyways.
The roller version tends to get a little dirty towards the end, seems it picks up any lotion or dead skin, turning it milky. But it still worked, especially the self effects whic I thnk is better than Wolf and equal to Bad Wolf. Rock solid confidence.
It does cause me to drag the following day, similar to Bad Wolf. Nothing a B- vitamin supplement won't take care of
If I could only one 1 product. It would be AV. It does give the celebrity vibe and the IDGAF attitude which can be detrimental if your not proactive, as in smiling and conversing.
Works best at high doses. Too many bash AV while only using a few drops. AV shines when you slather it on all over.
Does need a cover even when scented.

I've noticed my Bad Wolf bottle doesn't close right. It doesn't evaporate because it's high in oils, but maybe it is just a bad seal. Nothing gets through the Androtics 30 mL or the PXS bottles. LAL bottles are the kind that if you turn them and turn them, they pop off instead of tightening (at least my bulb dropper 30 mL I have for BW)

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(04-12-2016 10:07 PM)RussianWolf Wrote:  I've gone through three bottles of AV, two rollers and one bulb dropper. I've never had a problem.
I think the problem is build up and not completely washing the mones off, for me anyways.
The roller version tends to get a little dirty towards the end, seems it picks up any lotion or dead skin, turning it milky. But it still worked, especially the self effects whic I thnk is better than Wolf and equal to Bad Wolf. Rock solid confidence.
It does cause me to drag the following day, similar to Bad Wolf. Nothing a B- vitamin supplement won't take care of
If I could only one 1 product. It would be AV. It does give the celebrity vibe and the IDGAF attitude which can be detrimental if your not proactive, as in smiling and conversing.
Works best at high doses. Too many bash AV while only using a few drops. AV shines when you slather it on all over.
Does need a cover even when scented.

Yes, other people have fingered bad diffusion as the culprit. I have found that it can make a huge difference, and now I'm developing covers that maximize diffusion.

Yeah, LAL bottles suck. That's a good observation, wonder if too much air or dehydration could account for problems.
Looking forward to trying AV in gel form

DHEA and Epiandrosterone in combination can give you that spring in your step. EST (which I still think is in Wolf despite what Garry has said) can also give this effect.

Vendor asking for formulation advice?or just curious?

Somebody gave the advice for LAL bottles. Close the dropper cap tightly and hold it for few seconds. Worked for me very well. You should try doing that.

Maybe that can be reason for not getting the similar results.

You should never have anything in bulb dropper, they arent air tight enough. Only eurodroppers. Now, AV gets too polar hits for me. Maybe I need to drive it by being in tune with its vibe as people say, but I'd rather give away some power for consistency.