wiserd, I used about 10-15 drops of each - that would put neno to 50-75 mcg total, and a doc at 25-37.5 mcg

lol... probably wont be doing that again any time soon...

(01-03-2013 9:50 PM)phertest Wrote:  wiserd, I used about 10-15 drops of each - that would put neno to 50-75 mcg total, and a doc at 25-37.5 mcg

lol... probably wont be doing that again any time soon...

That's amazing. I'd have been far past comotose with that much a doc.
I realize that the neno and a doc will antagonize each other to an extent. But... still.

no idea on the a doc but the neno is pretty close to where I'm at

50mcg minimum with a better BUZZ around 100-400mcg and haven't noticed a tolerance using 100+mcg 5 days a week

put 200mcg on 45 mins ago and feel like a champ

this stuff is super duper ultra mega multidimentional

(01-03-2013 10:43 PM)John Schlongfellow Wrote:  50mcg minimum with a better BUZZ around 100-400mcg and haven't noticed a tolerance using 100+mcg 5 days a week

Interesting. Thanks John. If you do get a lessening of effects after a given amount of time, that'd be interesting to know. Also, any observations about the strength of your memories or the things that you remember when using neno or any impacts on sleep quality would be interesting as well.

(01-03-2013 11:03 PM)wiserd Wrote:  observations about the strength of your memories or the things that you remember when using neno or any impacts on sleep quality would be interesting as well.

I spent a minute thinking and may have a decent answer

well when I was trying neno as a caffiene substitute I counted two drawers wrong and so could tell it didn't improve mental clarity or focus, just made me FEEL awake

after I got home the boss called to ask WTF was up with the drawers, maybe 6 hours later

I was able to mentally recount each denomination in each drawer, 20s,10s,5s,1s, quarters, dimes, nickels, pennies, all from memory until I found the mistakes I'd made.

4 drawers, 6 hours later, I'd say my memory was intact

sleep quality sucks, either can't go to sleep or need a dose of something else to take the edge off, etoh works well

(01-03-2013 11:36 PM)John Schlongfellow Wrote:  I spent a minute thinking and may have a decent answer

well when I was trying neno as a caffiene substitute I counted two drawers wrong and so could tell it didn't improve mental clarity or focus, just made me FEEL awake

after I got home the boss called to ask WTF was up with the drawers, maybe 6 hours later

I was able to mentally recount each denomination in each drawer, 20s,10s,5s,1s, quarters, dimes, nickels, pennies, all from memory until I found the mistakes I'd made.

4 drawers, 6 hours later, I'd say my memory was intact

sleep quality sucks, either can't go to sleep or need a dose of something else to take the edge off, etoh works well

The reason I ask is that Neno is involved in fixing memories in the brain. Neno antagonizes GABA. It should make it hard to get to sleep if you're wearing it. Maybe be careful about keeping whatever you sprayed the stuff on near your bedroom or around you in the night? Let it wear off before sleep? I was wondering if antagonizing GABA during the day might sensitize it at night and improve deep sleep. (Also, stuff which improves memory tends to increase REM sleep and vivid dreams)

wiserd, would you be able to expand on nenos/adocs antagonizing effect?

they seemed to play well together, but that might just be because there was more of one over the other. When I felt like the "Joker", I was pretty hyper active, and me and my friends usually do impersonations of characters, accents, other people... they seemed much more "on point" than usual.

could this neno be used as a counter effect of androstadienone? because I felt tired and sleepy when I had Androstadienone on me. if we can block Androstadienone negative effect with neno, then it just wow! might be a killer combo

(01-04-2013 3:29 AM)Ozee Wrote:  could this neno be used as a counter effect of androstadienone? because I felt tired and sleepy when I had Androstadienone on me. if we can block Androstadienone negative effect with neno, then it just wow! might be a killer combo

Yeah, that's a possibility. Androstadienone has several effects. One effect is upregulation of cortisol, producing comfort in women. (long term elevated cortisol is problematic since it decreases insulin sensitivity and general fitness) The other effect of androstadienone is bodily depletion of pregnenolone and the stuff other hormones are made of.

The question is; is the benefit of androstadienone primarily cortisol production (and some other effects)? Or is one benefit the removal of neno in the body as well. To put this another way; women tend to make relationships when depressed and men tend to avoid them when depressed. Given this, is androstadienone related depression just a problem or is it a double edged sword?

I'm hoping that neno + androstadienone would simply make everything better. Neno blends pretty darn well with beta androstadienol, certainly. But the second scenario, where depression can be beneficial to bonding, is something worth considering. Phrased another way; should we put the neno on our hands? or under our noses.

wifey hasn't been depressed by exposure to dienone, quite the opposite she seems happy as can be
currently around 30 days nightly exposure

it's been my understanding though my lifting research that glutamine supplementation reduces cortisol levels
maybe there is a tool here to be used by the men?

neno in the day certainly hasn't improved sleep at night
very light and fleeting sleep when still feeling neno

actually, I'm having a hard time telling WHEN it wears off
maybe not a set point but gradual taper off