I really love the phero-oils from LP, but they don't have the great diffusion alcohol based phero's like the Androtics ones do. The climate here isn't very hot and it seems a bit inappropriate to be very close to my target too much. Is it possible to layer the two or are the phero's going to interfere with eachother or even break down? Any tips on application if wearing them together?

TIA!

Love, ToJ

Hey ToJ!!!

Alrighty for layering, don't layer them right on top of each other. Cause pretend you use your alcohol spray first and then use your oil phero directly on top of it, that will slow down the alcohol-based phero's diffusion as well.

What I do is, that I use them "next" to each other if that makes sense. Sometimes I might use oil based pheros on my wrists, and use the alcohol based pheros on my arms. Or I might use oil based pheros behind my neck and alcohol based pheros on my hair. Does that make sense?

Try using them beside each other not on top of each other.

Hope it helps!

(08-21-2009 05:50 PM)TearsOfJoy Wrote:  I really love the phero-oils from LP, but they don't have the great diffusion alcohol based phero's like the Androtics ones do. The climate here isn't very hot and it seems a bit inappropriate to be very close to my target too much. Is it possible to layer the two or are the phero's going to interfere with eachother or even break down? Any tips on application if wearing them together?

TIA!

Love, ToJ

I'm a big fan of colognes, so I just dilute perfume oils in a perfumer's type SD40 alcohol and use it in an atomizer. Artisan's alcohol is formulated for great mixing of oils and whatnot without clouding.

Diane

I use Androtics sprays and LP oils on top of each other all the time.

I've also used LP unscented pheros in cylcopentasiloxane layered with LP oil scents layered with Androtics sprays. I haven't noticed any kind of negative interaction.

Thanks guys!!! The thing is I've noticed that my target is a big fan of alpha-androstenol. It makes him happy and chatty and following me around. I'm planning on "luring" him with alcohol-bases a-nol, then hitting him with a lovely LP-scented cops bomb *evil laugh*.

Diane, I'm not sure if I understand what you're saying, do you mean I can dissove perfume oil in SD40 alcohol and then using it as an perfume?

I always use my own pheromones when I use my LP blends. Unless its really really hot here like in July and August. I have to if I want to see any results. Before people start hissing at me......... Dont get me wrong I am not by any means saying LP products are not good. I love them, its just the nature of oil. You cant expect to use oil in the same fashion as you use alcohol based. It stays close to the skin and tends to weigh down the Pheromone molecules. You have to know molecular weight and the weight of the oil your using. Some pheromones you need to use more of because they weigh less and some you dont. Its really quite a project. I think LP has done a good job with there's. I have used other pheromone oils and as oil mone products go there's are the best.

You need to up the strength of mones to carrier considerably in oil to get good results. This is why I laugh when I read people saying "ours are 10 times stronger then so and so's formulas." Well duh of course they are they have to be to just reach the same level as alcohol based in reaction. Your not really getting more for your money your just getting a correctly designed product.

Most people dont use a oil base when they design pheromone products because its just not cost effective if you want it to be a balanced formulation and return customers. This is why Androtics doesn't sell much in oil.

Take TAA oil for instance. This is what they use in Ishine but Instant shine is alcohol based. They can sell Ishine or alcohol based TAA at a reasonable price because they use a lower MCG of pheromone content. Its diffusive and works well at the lower MCG.

In the oil blend TAA they sold they needed to use something like 10 times the MCG because of the diffusion so of course they could not sell it at a price people would be interested in and still have a viable product. They were losing money on it. If I recall my bottle was like $90 but if you calculated the cost to make it it was like $200. They have to choose between cost and effectiveness and they wont skimp on the effectiveness side.

Its the same for all mainstream Pheromones except copulins which are oily by nature and will stay closer to your skin in any form. That is why you have to play with the dosage and find out what works best for you with copulin products. Its not just age or if you are on the BC pill. Its the condition of your skin, Where you apply, climate etc etc . Everyone is different and everyone will find a different dosage that works well for them. Sure the older women tend to need more then the younger ones but its not a given. Testing dosage is the only way to figure it out and its not as easy with copulins as it is with other pheromones. Hell took me weeks to get it right. Every new copulin product I use I test my dosage because they are all designed different. There is no correct method to use a copulin blend or straight copulins, the only correct method is the one that works for you and your natural chemistry.

Don't give up on copulins until you have tested and tested again with them. Patience is a virtue with this particular "Pheromone".

I will mention for people new to pheromones even though most of us here have experience LOL.......... I never suggest starting with oil blends. This is why......... Most people starting out are hopeful but skeptical. Many cant read a persons reaction and need blatant hits to actually get past that "hmmm I dont know" to the point of "holy crap they work" point. Its harder to get to that place with a oil based pheromone. I think a lot of people get discouraged faster when they use oils and give up. Again for experience Pheromone users its great. We can pick up on hits and mood changes easier. That's just my opinion.


Oh and the original questions.......... I use my oil in different application points then I use my alcohol based mones. I am just supplementing what is already in the oil so I dont use as much as I would normally use if I was using the alcohol based alone. I also buy Love potion products for the scents and the properties of the ingredients and I do not want to alter that much by spraying on top of the oil.

So I apply my oil in the morning and use two or three sprays of androtics products to the hair just to give it a little kick.



Tisha

(08-29-2009 07:32 AM)Tisha Wrote:  You need to up the strength of mones to carrier considerably in oil to get good results. This is why I laugh when I read people saying "ours are 10 times stronger then so and so's formulas." Well duh of course they are they have to be to just reach the same level as alcohol based in reaction. Your not really getting more for your money your just getting a correctly designed product.

Most people dont use a oil base when they design pheromone products because its just not cost effective if you want it to be a balanced formulation and return customers. This is why Androtics doesn't sell much in oil.

Its the same for all mainstream Pheromones except copulins which are oily by nature and will stay closer to your skin in any form. That is why you have to play with the dosage and find out what works best for you with copulin products. Its not just age or if you are on the BC pill. Its the condition of your skin, Where you apply, climate etc etc . Everyone is different and everyone will find a different dosage that works well for them. Sure the older women tend to need more then the younger ones but its not a given. Testing dosage is the only way to figure it out and its not as easy with copulins as it is with other pheromones. Hell took me weeks to get it right. Every new copulin product I use I test my dosage because they are all designed different. There is no correct method to use a copulin blend or straight copulins, the only correct method is the one that works for you and your natural chemistry.

Don't give up on copulins until you have tested and tested again with them. Patience is a virtue with this particular "Pheromone".

I will mention for people new to pheromones even though most of us here have experience LOL.......... I never suggest starting with oil blends. This is why......... Most people starting out are hopeful but skeptical. Many cant read a persons reaction and need blatant hits to actually get past that "hmmm I dont know" to the point of "holy crap they work" point. Its harder to get to that place with a oil based pheromone. I think a lot of people get discouraged faster when they use oils and give up. Again for experience Pheromone users its great. We can pick up on hits and mood changes easier. That's just my opinion.


Tisha

Good God...I mean Miss Goddess...

This is what I've been trying to say in the other fricken forum. F**K before a few women came running all over me and attacking me on a personal level.

Hands down, Amen.

Quote:This is what I've been trying to say in the other fricken forum. F**K before a few women came running all over me and attacking me on a personal level.

Someone attacked you over at PT ???? Dont pay attention to them. People who attack tend to have self esteem problems. You have to always agree with them or they feel threatened and attack and start talking out their ass. It says more about them then you and they can't hide from their own negativity it will come back to them in some form.

Tisha

(08-29-2009 03:52 PM)Tisha Wrote:  

Quote:This is what I've been trying to say in the other fricken forum. F**K before a few women came running all over me and attacking me on a personal level.

Someone attacked you over at PT ???? Dont pay attention to them. People who attack tend to have self esteem problems. You have to always agree with them or they feel threatened and attack and start talking out their ass. It says more about them then you and they can't hide from their own negativity it will come back to them in some form.

Tisha

Nope, it was over at LP actually...

There was this thread made by a member who just meant to attack and hurt me personally because I didn't agree with her most of the time - she kept shoving "what's right" to her down my throat (aka raving about their products like mad) and I didn't take it. And then she made a post regarding me and made me seem as if something was wrong with me and not with the products since I needed more copulins. Not to mention, she insulted me so bad in a very hurtful way - and then she says that she was apparently trying to "help me" - but believe me she wasn't at all trying to help me - I think she was trying to control what I had to say to encourage others to believe her raves. And then her buddy jumps in the wagon and attacked me as well, as if she was going to ban me and that I was crossing the borderline. This whole ugliness was just uncalled for, I swear I did nothing to these women.

I explained about oil pheromones and how they work (just like how you said here) except I had to repeat myself like ten times over there and she would still trash me regardless. She's thinking about pheromones on an emotional level not scientifically. It wasn't the first time, yesterday morning it got pretty bad she made a post and it got really nasty - hell I called a member from pherotruth at 2am in the morning cause I was freaking out about her post about me. It's pretty scary to see a woman twice my age being nasty about me over the internet. I don't understand - I was minding my own business - posting my own reports until someone started attacking me and then her friend jumps in and starts telling me off.

I feel like this is how she thinks "I'm old you're young, I'm big you're small, I'm experienced you're not, I'm smart you're dumb"
--- Do I want to be in a forum with these kinds of women who are not moderated for their rudeness? Nah I'll spare myself from that kind of cattiness.

I don't rave about LP's pheromone products cause most of them don't work that well on me and I wrote the truth - I wrote my honest reports. I just think that some members over there have a grudge against androtics and they want to rave about how great LP is. LP is great, I do think that Mara is awesome she even called me yesterday about that member's rude post, their perfumes are fascinating but phero-wise I'm not getting too much to be honest. I live in a province where the winters are so long, and summer is probably like a month or two. Oils don't get diffused that much during the winter, for me it has been a mild effect or nothing at all. And my skin is definately not dry-type so the eow oils reek and get stinky as hell on me, I've tried it so many times believe me.

For example, I've tried their cuddle bunny scented and it did absolutely nothing for me most of the time, and for my mom - never mind. Though, I do love the scent, it smells really nice. What bugged me so much is how some members over there boast on how "POTENT" the pheros in the scented ones are... it just plainly disturbs me, I'm just being frank. People seem to react to those over-the-top reports than the ones that are more experimental and truthful... I just don't understand it, it makes me confused.

And when a phero doesn't work for a member those same peeps jump in and when they do - all I do is gulp hoping to god that the poor thing that asked for help isn't traumatized by their replies or something.

Anyhow, yea... I'm done with LP's forum, I don't want to go back to hell - I just hate seeing that particular member again *shudders*. If I can't speak my mind out without getting b*tched at, then that is not a place where I want to be. She did edit her post about me without addressing my name anymore, but her post is pretty indirect now imo. It sucks but I think their forum would do well without me, I think I brought negative energy to their forum...so I left so it will become a happy place for them again... I still love mara though, she will be really awesome as always.

Okay, enough of my rant I'm done! lol!!! Anyhoo, I do agree with what you said, it is very true.

Now. I know there are some folks here from LP, let me make myself clear I don't mean to bash LP. Bashing LP has never been my intention, I wrote my reports there the good and the bad but some people couldn't take the bad. If what I wrote to tisha disturbs you, then please don't reply to it, sometimes when we are upset we tend to write the meanest things. I do like LP but I've lost the joy in posting in their forum and please repect that. I'm not here to fight/argue/shove my opinion at you, either take it or leave it. Peace.