Well, as long as this is allowed by forum rules, I've ordered from unitedpharmacies.com before and have been satisfied with my order. I should mention that they have gotten some bad reviews regarding credit card numbers being stolen shortly after orders were made. I haven't had that problem, but caveat emptor. You could check pharmacyreviewer.com as well. Keep in mind these are pills and will require some DIY lab skills.
Also, I know nobody is listening to my warnings, but I still don't think spraying non-delta-16 estrogen derivatives is a good idea, especially for compounds whose pheromone effects are largely unknown. I would recommend at the very least only spraying these on one's clothes.

The whole xenoestrogens thing worries me. I don't even store food in plastic containers anymore.

I hear you. I also worry about my girlfriend and breast cancer risk when it comes to spraying active estrogens. Pheromone users should be more aware that any pheromone without that double bond between c16 and c17 probably has some steroid properties. We do use microgram topical sprays which should limit systemic exposure, and weak androgens like androsterone (still 1/7th as strong as testosterone) would have negligible effects in men, but I still worry about estrogens.

hey drhorrible,

you speak of Methoxyestratetraenone, but what about Methoxyestratetraenol - i am not going to pretend to even grasp the science behind it - so does it have these double bonds you speak of? The name seems to be 3-Methoxy-estra-1,3,5(10),16-tetraene.

And while we are at it - SteveO sells his formula in an oil basis, which i imagine gets absorbed into the body; do you have any thoughts about that?

cheers

Yes, the numbers before the "ene" indicate double bonds, four (tetra) in this case: 1,3,5, and 16. This is what one expects to see with the name estratetraenone, too, not what TP sells (equilin).

My understanding of transdermal drug delivery pharmacokinetics is not very deep. However, the "oil" used is DPG, which most alcohol-based fragrance sprays contain in some percentage as a fixative. Without DPG to "hold on" to fragrance (or pheromone) molecules, the fragrance quickly dissipates. What's left after the alcohol evaporates is DPG and fragrance, the same thing you get with his (and androtics') "oil." Aside from longer exposure to the skin, I wouldn't expect a greater amount of DPG (and lack of alcohol) to affect absorption much either way (to my limited knowledge).

(01-20-2013 5:36 PM)Fly So Hi Wrote:  The whole xenoestrogens thing worries me. I don't even store food in plastic containers anymore.

As with I.
So many things are sold in glass jars that I've nearly replaced all our plastic with jars AT NEARLY ZERO COST !!!
John<--- cheap mofo !!

Methoxyestratetraenone is off my use list for a while until I figure out what is screwing up my joints and causing hair shedding.
Not because I have any particular proof it's to blame but this thread spooked me a bit.
http://pherotruth.org/Thread-True-Love-T...d-The-Ugly

I'd also 86'd dienone for a couple weeks, but it's nag/piss/moan/accuse/belittle/demean/actlikeitneverhappenedin4days week @ Casa de John so it made an appearance last night, probably the next three days too.

I've gone to clothes only everything except AV, Dominationxs, and TA which I get a smidgen on my finger and sniff at with nice self effects.
The sexuals only get skin privileges since, as has been said, women will often pay special attention to the app point in the sack.

If the app point is my shirt, and it is in the corner, then how does this help me?

I do like this Nol talk so ignore me and continue the real discussion please.