(05-30-2017 1:40 PM)AMMO5680 Wrote:  Just created a profile with Lacroy. Will be ordering New Pheromone Additive AND B2B SOCIAL since I am working socials. However will be stocking up on New Pheromone Additive since I have always gotten JUICY results with it. I am lucky because New Pheromone Additive has always performed for me. Now I am interested in combining it with the falling in love combo New Pheromone Additive/GLACE/A-1. Eventually I will test that combo on a social experiemnt level only. I have a handfull of targets which I know their temperament and New Pheromone Additive works for them. Let's just say they are Latinas Mexican amd darker skin color. They eat this up like nutella on a dick. No joke...

They Have a pretty good special on their website too , you Basically get 5 ml New Pheromone Additive for free.

@AMMO, and how much Androstadienone You add to your Fall In Love combo?

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(05-30-2017 10:33 PM)avi Wrote:  @AMMO, and how much Androstadienone You add to your Fall In Love combo?

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Avi,
I have not run that combo yet. I am testing SWOON for another 2.5 weeks. Then going to start my combos to see how they push certain targets at work and social circle. I have GOA and just purchased a-1 from LoveScent. I am really gearing up for the FILC that has been testing on this forum with success. Also DrChocolate gave a great combo based on his experiences. NNPA/GOA/SWOON he had a great time with that. Look at his public journal you will read it toward the last two threads. Good luck. I will definitely post a public journal with my observations on the falling in love combo and New Pheromone Additive/GOA/SWOON combo... It will have to wait until I am done with SWOON. I really want to give this a real testing to capture how it works in many situations.

New Pheromone Additive is BACK! I have been in contact with Lacroy and Lovescent to get us accurate info on this product line....

Does the New Pheromone Additive Touch and Concentrate contain androstadienone in your current sold version on Lacroy site?
>> Yes, the formulation is the same for both, containing the Dienone.

Is there any other differences between the touch and concentrate other than an atomizer?
>> none at all. The touch was created for this purpose. Originally when we made it people just took the New Pheromone Additive as an additive and combined it with ones own cologne/perfume. The Touch was made having to avoid the hassle of mixing.

*My Note: Touch is available I see on Lacroy as both unscented and scented, so you can just buy unscented and add your own cover scent as I will, or try their scent. If you are comfortable mixing cologne and the concentrate instead of adding your cover scent at the time of application, you can also buy the alcohol silver label/black top version.

If I buy New Pheromone Additive TOUCH directly from Lovescent, is that your (Lacroy) manufactured version distributed by them or is that another reformulation of theirs like they did unfortunately with their blue bottle oil vs your concentrate.

>>It looks like it's still ours, must be stock from a year ago. The New Pheromone Additive concentrate is the only product we know of that they have formulated themselves!

The pheromone content on your Lacroy site lists 2.5mg on both New Pheromone Additive Touch and your concentrate, but 4.5mg on the amazon listing that lovescent is selling it.
>> Always been, from our side, 2.5mg of our pheromones, same formulation & quality of pheromones we have always used.


Feedback: The original blend of New Pheromone Additive before you changed to the current blend is still in great demand as it worked differently then now. If you have any way to still manufacture this exactly as then, I'd offer it again and call it New Pheromone Additive CLASSIC.

>> What I can tell you is that the formulation of New Pheromone Additive sold through LaCroy site (http://www.lacroy.com) has never changed from the original you are talking about. True, we have tweaked it a little for wholesale customers in the past such as love-scent and perhaps that's the reason they have not nailed the formulation. So The New Pheromone Additive through our site is the classic you want.

*My Notes: The blue bottle version oil currently available on LOVESCENT is manufactured by LOVESCENT and is a different product now. That one is in the thread NNPA oil. On the Lacroy site, the New Pheromone Additive Touch is premixed and can be bought unscented to use your own cologne, or scented. These are the untweaked current version of New Pheromone Additive. I suggest buying direct from http://www.lacroy.com because you will get a recently mixed blend vs a year old one from Lovescent, but its the same thing if buying touch on either site. 7-10 days for USA.

We should test the New Pheromone Additive Touch which I'm buying now, or the concentrate if you want to mix it directly into a cologne vs covering it during application with touch direct from Lacroy. They mentioned they DID tweak it for Lovescent, so if we still find any performance issue differences where the old one lovescent sold worked better, then I will pass that feedback to Lacroy who seem willing and able to tweak it since they made it for LoveScent who was a wholesale customer.... This being New Pheromone Additive Touch as the concentrate being mixed with a 3rd party cologne may alter results.

I have been using Zero to 69 as a androstenone booster, it is a SUPER hard hitting sexual mix on its own, or works good with things like Scent of Eros, Swoon, and other socials... Primitive by LAL is also a good androstenone booster to add to things in combos. These three (New Pheromone Additive Touch, Zero to 69, and Primitive are the ones I recommend to test in combos where you want to up the sexual side).

From Love-Scent side:

Well, the answer is a little complicated. New Pheromone Additive has been a registered trademark of Love Scent, long before we met LaCroy. So, legally nobody should be making it without our authorization, but from a scientific point of view, LaCroy has always been a solid partner. They always maintained specs up to Love Scent standards, and I don’t see any reason for that to have changed. Unfortunately, the FDA started blocking their shipments into the US and when we ran out of New Pheromone Additive, we were forced to have it formulated elsewhere at standards as high or higher than we have always demanded from suppliers. The final filling and labeling is done at our own facility now. They should be chemically identical.

Other products and brands developed by LaCroy themselves, we would never try to copy. That would be unethical, and we will just have to discontinue them when supplies run out.

Best Regards,
Bruce Boyd
prez
Love-Scent.com

My opinion: The ingredients were originally supplied by Lacroy in the versions that became popular with everyone, so it is now possible to buy direct from http://www.lacroy.com that still contain those same ingredients manufactured by lacroy in both a New Pheromone Additive Touch (pre mixed and dosed by the atomizer) and New Pheromone Additive 5ml or 15ml concentrate. Love Scent blue bottle version is now using other suppliers and even other ingredients so both are just different versions now that should be evaluated separately from now on as to which ones are worth buying. They have separate threads to post reviews now.

The current Touch and New Pheromone Additive Lacroy versions seem to contain: Androstenone 2 MG, Androstadienone 0.5mg plus certain stabilizers and antioxidants with just the right amount of DPG (glycol). The New Pheromone Additive from Love Scent seems to contain an additional 1MG of Androstenol in their mix and may use different stabilizers or antioxidants now, plus is in an oil base while the Lacroy are alcohol based.

There is no trademark symbol on the Love Scent site.
Even if it was trademarked in the US, that doesnt mean it is anywhere else.
It's not officially registered, though that doesnt mean a trademark does not exist.

Its just a bit confusing, though I did suspect both parties have claim to using the name.

I do know that same molecules from different suppliers are not necessarily identical and have different effects.

There wont be a comparison from me as i still have plenty supply.

(06-15-2017 9:03 AM)Pheroman Wrote:  I do know that same molecules from different suppliers are not necessarily identical and have different effects.

I agree with this.

(06-15-2017 9:03 AM)Pheroman Wrote:  Its just a bit confusing, though I did suspect both parties have claim to using the name.

I do know that same molecules from different suppliers are not necessarily identical and have different effects.

Both Love scent and LaCroy are using the New Pheromone Additive name. From what I understand LoveScent is a reseller. Companies ship products to them, they manage packaging and shipping. Guys like JV Kohl (a scientist) do not want to get involved in tedious shipping and packaging so they use a reseller.

Bruce said:

"They should be chemically identical.

Other products and brands developed by LaCroy themselves, we would never try to copy."

So it seems to me that Bruce would never try to copy BTB by LaCroy but they will copy New Pheromone Additive because they (LoveScent) are claiming ownership of the brand name. This is really messy. Like TV show messy.

I'm good now anyway. Love Scent has my money that I paid for their clone...which did not work at all for me. They can keep the money and their after the fact stories. I have my shipment from LaCroy.

Lacroy sells product now direct to customers worldwide called NPATOUCH 12ml (premixed) and NPAConcentrate in 5ml and 15ml sizes that both contain the formulation they used to sell wholesale to Love-Scent and was used in their product NEW PHEROMONE ADDITIVE. This formulation seems to be Androstenone 2mg, Androstadienone 0.5mg, plus added stabilizers and antioxidants and just the right amount of DPG (Glycol) from the additional info I was able to get from Lacroy. They are shipping out of Netherlands and apparently this has cleared up the issues with customs/tariffs etc. 10 days to USA.

At this time Love Scent is no longer is working with Lacroy. Love Scent now uses a different supplier, as well as uses oil as a base, not alcohol. And in addition to the pheromones the addons like stabilizers, antioxidants, and Glycol that Lacroy used now may have differences as well. I see that they also added 1MG of Androstenol to the current mix also. They did say they own the trademark for the name NEW PHEROMONE ADDITIVE per his email long before they worked with Lacroy (Lacroys names are different) and likely told Lacroy what to make as their supplier so they arent copying. For better or worse, they have just changed the current formulation they sell under that product name in several ways in their blue bottle oil and both need to be evaluated on their own merits and not as the 'same' product anymore. Maybe Love Scent doesnt know that Lacroy now ships out of Netherlands and can ship to USA again, or maybe they just are very happy with their new supplier or moved things in house. I'm sure both sides monitor feedback on their products and can always modify them.

Dr Chocolate had posted a comparison in which he thought both Lacroy and Love Scent current products are effective and liked both new ones over the long time extinct original version that hit harder but was more polarizing. He favored Lacroys alcohol to the LoveScent oil. Thats one opinion. Paradox and I both have the Touch and concentrate by Lacroy so I'm sure there will be other opinions between those Lacroy versions also coming after more testing.

(06-16-2017 12:02 PM)DataDragon Wrote:  Lacroy sells product now direct to customers worldwide called NPATOUCH 12ml (premixed) and NPAConcentrate in 5ml and 15ml sizes that both contain the formulation they used to sell wholesale to Love-Scent and was used in their product NEW PHEROMONE ADDITIVE. This formulation seems to be Androstenone 2mg, Androstadienone 0.5mg, plus added stabilizers and antioxidants and just the right amount of DPG (Glycol) from the additional info I was able to get from Lacroy. They are shipping out of Netherlands and apparently this has cleared up the issues with customs/tariffs etc. 10 days to USA.

Thanks for the summary of everything that has been said by all parties...necessary though?

This is already a complex story that is still developing. I can tell just by smelling the Lacroy version that it's different from the LoveScent version. The first thing that I do when I get any new bottle is to take the cap off and get a good whiff. I've been doing this for years. It sort of gives me a sense of what the mones are about. I don't write every detail about everything but when I smelled the LoveScent bottle I knew it didn't smell like the others did.

I look forward to your review of New Pheromone Additive touch. I'm going to hold off on my review of New Pheromone Additive Touch until you do yours.