(09-29-2015 8:46 PM)Samus Wrote:  Not sure I understand what that means, Pheroman.

Break it down for me

All newer revisions of A314 almost immediately get compared with the old versions. That's just about the universal baseline.

Oh, I realize that

I'm not sure that is as much A314 specific as it is just human nature. We mark progress as a whole by comparing the things we remember with the the things we have

My response to Josie, in particular, was about him posting such a comment on the Pherotalk website. I seem to recall them getting bent out of shape over much less in the past.

(09-29-2015 6:19 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  I doubt Androstenone was ever used as anything but a steering component in A314. Sounds more like they overbuffered the hell out of it with P90.

I also notice that Androsterone is still not for sale on their site. I wonder if they are using a lower quality Androsterone and can't get the same quality. If the quality is bad, you can't fix that. If the mix is missing a putative or is over buffered, then you can fix that. You can't fix quality of single molecules no matter what you do.
I'm going to test at 4 drops today to see if it goes too social or what happens. Looks like the p75 stepped up at 3 drops.
My hypothesis is if it gets more social with an increase in drops then Androsterone is crap. It it gets more intimidating then it's too much buffering. Thoughts?

P90 can buffer seemingly infinite amounts of Androsterone. It won't matter if you use 4 drops or 15 drops -intimidation won't be a factor. I don't think there's really any way to be sure one way or another.

Final test for me

4 drops of Naturelle v1 with 3 drops EO aftershave mix to jaw line.

Self effects: Yes there is definitely a rush of edginess. It takes at least 30 mins to die down. It's actually effective at pushing through emails and getting ready for the day.

Effects on others:
I'm going to summarize and say this is a "cool guy" mix. Nothing more. I did get some preferential treatment again, but at 4 drops we definitely steered towards attraction. Not flirty. Just open attraction. Especially with younger women. I got really solid hits from women in early 20's that I didnt know. The mix also seems to be affectionate and sexual with women you do know. Lots of hugging, touching, and boobs pressing against me.

It was very social. I had men just talking to me, trying to get me to comiserate with their life problems. If I were a bartender or a barber, I would wear this every time I worked. I'm sure it will bring in lots of tips.

Overall:

It's not A314 as I know it. When I say that, I'm comparing it to version 29 ( I was wrong about the earlier version). Its very social and even attractive and sexual at 3-4 drops. I think it would make a great opener, but a poor closer. It creates curiosity, not admiration. 1 drop creates some negative hits.

(09-30-2015 4:35 PM)Josiew Wrote:  Final test for me

4 drops of Naturelle v1 with 3 drops EO aftershave mix to jaw line.

Self effects: Yes there is definitely a rush of edginess. It takes at least 30 mins to die down. It's actually effective at pushing through emails and getting ready for the day.

Effects on others:
I'm going to summarize and say this is a "cool guy" mix. Nothing more. I did get some preferential treatment again, but at 4 drops we definitely steered towards attraction. Not flirty. Just open attraction. Especially with younger women. I got really solid hits from women in early 20's that I didnt know. The mix also seems to be affectionate and sexual with women you do know. Lots of hugging, touching, and boobs pressing against me.

It was very social. I had men just talking to me, trying to get me to comiserate with their life problems. If I were a bartender or a barber, I would wear this every time I worked. I'm sure it will bring in lots of tips.

Overall:

It's not A314 as I know it. When I say that, I'm comparing it to version 29 ( I was wrong about the earlier version). Its very social and even attractive and sexual at 3-4 drops. I think it would make a great opener, but a poor closer. It creates curiosity, not admiration. 1 drop creates some negative hits.

NIce review. So you wouldn't say its Alpha at all?

Thanks for the review Josie. That is eye opening. We should all email this guy: jay@androtics.com with our concerns because Mick is super tight lipped about the whole thing and referenced the phero talk thread that is going on regarding. What a mess...

Jay and Mick are both complete unreliable, along with the rest of the mods. I couldn't even entrust them for simple shit in the past. I doubt you'll get any different results from Jay. Androtics is composed of numerous individuals who are incompetant, delusional, and incapable/unwilling to do their jobs.

Let the ship sink. They won't recover.

As always, I appreciate your opinion Eks.

(09-30-2015 12:46 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  P90 can buffer seemingly infinite amounts of Androsterone. It won't matter if you use 4 drops or 15 drops -intimidation won't be a factor. I don't think there's really any way to be sure one way or another.

P90 is no longer sold in the store. P85 and P105 are also missing. They might not even have these putatives anymore.