Alright, so I implemented your guys advice right away, and started reading "The Ultimate Guide to Phone and Text game" and started applying that shit right away too and trying to recognize types of responses, short fuse, medium fuse, long fuse, etc etc.

I opened up 3 new conversations, keeping it really light and playful, giving them a hard time and joking / teasing a lot. So far all of them respond pretty quickly and I've got them all in conversation, I had one girl check my OKCupid profile a ton of times, she looked after every few messages and she was responding like, instantly.

(03-10-2012 8:43 AM)CanadianGuy45 Wrote:  She was shit-testing you. Like photogeek suggested, you are better off playing it cool and nonchalant. If you do wish to meet this woman do not try to sell yourself too much. keep the conversation going, yet stay mysterious. Remain Alpha, confident and cool. Make the lady chase you.

Gotcha. The girl that was shit testing me is messaging me now, I'm steering the conversation away from sex.

The girl that kept looking at my profile and messaging me was chasing me and asking lots of questions. I opened her by teasing her for liking metal and being afraid she was gonna break my nose in a pit.

I told her "I don't dig violent women", she told me she was on the wrestling team in high school and learning kickboxing, so I started calling her a jock. Once I started with the 'jock' stuff she was firing question after question and checking my profile every few minutes.

(03-10-2012 8:54 AM)NewAlpha Wrote:  If a woman goes that far with you online, it's very unusual that she would like to meet you. Because by meeting you she knows she would appear as a total slut craving for sex, and it's not how women would like to appear. They are not hard wired like us

Better not to talk about sex, so you would not be assimilated to the 99% of guys who are fantasizing and masturbating online, because they gave up meeting someone in real life.

Noted, makes perfect sense. I'm just fail-tastic at online game... I'm learning! And since reading half of the Love Systems text game book, what you guys have said, and a large post on a PUA forum, I've got my foot in the right direction. Opened 3 fresh conversations and all of them are engaged and responding fast, asking me questions.

(03-10-2012 9:10 AM)idontknow Wrote:  Yep. CG45 is right. That's a usual shit-test. Most of the time when you go direct online, you'll either get a freeze or some other kind of shit-test.
So you can wait a few days(2-3) and get back with some kind of fun DHV-story "You can't believe what happened to me yesterday...". Though your chances probably aren't the best.

How to avoid this? Well, you can be less direct. I've tried direct lately and the girl threw shit-tests at me. I passed those and she told me that she would find it weird to arrange a meet-up for sex online.

So while it's probably possible to get very sexual online and just meet up for sex, (Especially on sex-dating sites) you're probably better off just building enough comfort and attraction for a meetup, without getting directly sexual. (Like you said, the turning point was when your sex discussion shifted to the 'us'). Probably it's possible to get directly sexual online, with some very smooth word-escalation. Idk.

Done. I'm scaling it back and toning down escalation a lot. I'm going to focus on my teasing and joking to get them chasing me and asking me questions.

Yeah, I'm not smooth online. Again, working on it

(03-10-2012 9:40 AM)CanadianGuy45 Wrote:  Most men online are there to be pigs and to get a peep-show. I have discovered this by chatting with Canadian ladies as well as the Latin American Honeys. You must distinguish yourself from these 'pigs'. Also, bear in mind that if you have a lady talking very dirty to you very quickly, outside of the possibility of her playing you, why is she so needy? Beware, you could get yourself into a big problem. Plenty of nut jobs out there. Online is too easy. Be patient and take your time. Do not make yourself look needy, or become a target. Whether online or in person you must always remain cool, yet keep your wits about you and stay aware. Online is a very nice alternative to the bar scene, yet it is very easy for someone to hide behind their computer and be portrayed how ever they choose.

I gotcha. It felt odd when she brought sex up unprovoked, and I fell for the shit test.

Good stuff to keep in mind.

Remember, women want men who are interesting. You're doing a good job. Keep them interested, keep them lightly teased, that will keep them intrigued. Keep it up and you should be able to get to a face to face date.

(03-10-2012 7:37 PM)photogeek Wrote:  Remember, women want men who are interesting. You're doing a good job. Keep them interested, keep them lightly teased, that will keep them intrigued. Keep it up and you should be able to get to a face to face date.

I've had face to face dates through dating sites, but not from OKCupid, only from Plenty of Fish.

OKCupid girls were always harder to get into conversation for me than girls on POF

you "I have a weakness though, not sure I should share with you, I'm kinda embarrassed "

Her "really, you can tell me what that is you don't really know me so it won't matter"

you "If we meet you will want to discover it, it happens to me every time!"

You "Perhaps you can tell me a weakness of yours?"

Her "I have a tendency to become a sex slave to anyone wearing mones in my presence."

You " OK, well I have a sexual fetish of enjoying orally pleasing women"

Her " sorry I'm slow to respond, but I have to type with one hand"

Personally, I'd never consider trying to find women online. It is very unlikely that there are any quality women online. If what we know is true, that the majority of attractive women are approached by dozens of guys a day, then what kind of woman would go online for dating in the first place? If they have such a vast pool to choose from, it would never be nessecary. Unless they are looking for something super super serious or have some kind of issue. I don't know, but that's some of my thoughts.

(03-11-2012 1:31 AM)Curiosity Wrote:  Personally, I'd never consider trying to find women online. It is very unlikely that there are any quality women online. If what we know is true, that the majority of attractive women are approached by dozens of guys a day, then what kind of woman would go online for dating in the first place? If they have such a vast pool to choose from, it would never be nessecary. Unless they are looking for something super super serious or have some kind of issue. I don't know, but that's some of my thoughts.

That's exactly one of the things a PUA named Cajun spoke about, although he thinks online dating is great, he also said a lot of the women online seem to have a problem of some type, which is what put them online in the first place.

Truthfully, the girls I've met online were pretty normal, and I've had a lot of female friends that joined dating sites too, none of which had any issues finding guys.

I think a majority of them just want the ability to be ultra picky, or are bored and trying to get their attention fix.

A woman will often have no choice of male partners, they go online because they dont think any of them were good enough and have been friend zoned or FB.
But i have seen some career types (30+) who basically dont have much social life.
And they will judge on a photo even more than guys do.

(03-11-2012 8:07 PM)Pheroman Wrote:  A woman will often have no choice of male partners, they go online because they dont think any of them were good enough and have been friend zoned or FB.
But i have seen some career types (30+) who basically dont have much social life.
And they will judge on a photo even more than guys do.

You can have my word on it that they are judging you more by your photo than anything else

I think there are more than a few good women online and as someone mentioned above it tends to be more busy career type of those with kids that don't have the time or desire to hit the bars and meet guys. I agree though with above comments, stay playful, don't give out to much information at first, wait until you get on the date with her and if they bring up sex, tease them and move away from it, either a shit test, or someone who is just going to enjoy sexual conversation but has no desire to actually meet.

The pictures are truly important, but a good profile is as well. Keep it brief and funny and don't divulge every detail of your life, just something short to create interest and desire to learn more. Good luck with it, I will say that I have had HUGE success with online, but then again I am probably looking at an older age category and do not mind women with children or busy careers as I have both myself.