The quest for the holy grail is to find an exact substitute to Androstadienone without ANY of the negatives for ANY people.

Something tells me its not about tweaking Androstadienone but finding something else that behaves almost identically without the sides.

We're at the stage where pheromone science is at its peak.. the future of mones production will have this riddle solved.

Wasn't there something called A2 some company/person was working on at one point? Too lazy to look back into though. Something being it was hella expensive to make so it never went through?

I believe it was Androtics that came up with "A2"... I wouldn't hold my breath. I also don't think there will be a replacement for proper androstadienone, it's one of the most abundant natural male pheromones so I think just being clever about when and how much you use is key.

Wait a minute. Are you saying Androtics promised a new super duper mix and didn't deliver. I arm shocked!!

I'm fairly new to using mones, but if I could use dienone without the side effects I would wear it daily. I'm 6'3 and about 250 23yo so the heavy none stuff doesn't really add much or do much for me, but comfort, social and light sexual mones work for me! I know some vendors may have products the act similar to dienone, two that comes to mind maybe xist and sxd-9, I haven't used those, but heard they're comfort social and light sexual. And one that I have used that I think can substitute dienone is Nude from Lal

(08-15-2014 1:35 PM)phertest Wrote:  I believe it was Androtics that came up with "A2"... I wouldn't hold my breath. I also don't think there will be a replacement for proper androstadienone, it's one of the most abundant natural male pheromones so I think just being clever about when and how much you use is key.

Some people can't use Androstadienone at ALL let alone moderately. I used to be able to tolerate l2k and Am and taboo (touted the least depressing of all mones containing Androstadienone by many people ) all the time and now even taboo at 1 spray causes depression.

There must be an alternative that delivers the same effects on the horizon. Its not Androstadienone that's important..Its simulating the same effects it has on the wearer and receivers using other molecule(s) without the sides.

I know its easier stated than done. That is why its the holy grail we're after

(08-15-2014 9:09 PM)dsouza Wrote:  Some people can't use Androstadienone at ALL let alone moderately. I used to be able to tolerate l2k and Am and taboo (touted the least depressing of all mones containing Androstadienone by many people ) all the time and now even taboo at 1 spray causes depression.

There must be an alternative that delivers the same effects on the horizon. Its not Androstadienone that's important..Its simulating the same effects it has on the wearer and receivers using other molecule(s) without the sides.

I know its easier stated than done. That is why its the holy grail we're after

Well, what if you try to force getting used to Androstadienone . Buy a high dose of Androstadienone , like 100 MCG per spray and put it on every day. Then a week later, ramp it up to 200 MCG. All until you don't feel the effects anymore. Maybe that could work.

The Androtics Androstadienone replacement is MX412 (Akuto) & MX413 (Neroli).

experienced users say that MX412 give comfort and a relaxing atmosphere,but it's nowhere close to Androstadienone .i find that nude is bonding in a bottle with imprint.excellent for connection and "thinking of you" effect.P74+heavy beta nol social products is another great alternative without the depression.not quite the same,but close

I eliminated Androstadienone depression and I was very sensitive for 4 years.

The main difference was OD. By using it 8 hrs before tossing on Androstadienone products it seemed to ramp up my test levels considerably even at 1/2 pump.

I use heavy Androstadienone products 2-3 times a week now and no Androstadienone depression.

3 weeks ago even a single spray of taboo was getting to me.

So OD must be some potent testosterone raising juice.