Two styles of game:

1. One is seduction oriented including seductive conversations.

Everything leads to an outcome.

A plan is in place to get laid.

Problem is seduction can come across as in you chasing and that can drive women away too.

2. The other game is connection and conversation.

Conversations are not seductive. They're based on chit chat about iphones, vacations, work, role playing and joking, they're based on getting a girl to laugh, to feel chill, to feel a bond. But it's not directed so explicity to an outcome like seduction game.

Some women may think of you as a friend.. But some may want more. It is not polar like seduction game that can get you rejected over and over before positive outcomes.

Which is better? To seduce and face many a rejection, or to befriend, connect, and flirt and have her unknowingly fall for you based on talking about anything remotely exciting to women? Perhaps she realizes your not just a catch but her new best friend or boyfriend. Perhaps she realizes she doesn't have to tell you about her bf to make you go away instead she HIDES him cause she likes you and wants more of you. Cause you two can talk about anything and you're not in it just to fuck her.

The latter game is NOT IYF but can lead to FZ. The former, Seduction game, can be very polar and IYF and can lead to quick blowouts or success.

Discuss.

Neither is better.

Let's substitute trying to get sex for "a dollar" to demonstrate why.

The problem with a "plan is in place" to get get laid becomes evident if you replace everything geared towards "seduction" with trying to "have her give you a dollar."

Hi, will you give me a dollar? What's the best thing you feel when you give somebody a dollar? You know, I really feel a fiscal connection between us, how about a dollar? No...let's try a quarter first and see if it leads to a dollar.

When one fashions each and every move, look, stance, and sentence to push towards getting a dollar, she'll pick up on the fact that you want a dollar, no matter how smooth and subtle you think you're being.

The problem with the second approach, never once getting her to think about giving you a dollar, is that she'll get in her head that you're not interested in her money.

In order for a smooth, quick, mutually satisfying seduction she must feel safe, intimate, that bonding, and also feel the urge to have sex with you. Either one, on its own, is inferior; together, they are powerful...Hey, you're lots of fun and we get along well, let's make buck together.

am more of a person who like to create mystery and have the female chase me give them a little that have them interested in me then pull away and make them wanting more

Flick between both. Get her involved in a deep "connection" topic, then switch briefly to something sensual or sexual, as if it were totally normal. Then back to another connection convo. Rinse + repeat, watching her body language as you proceed.

@ LoveInSpain: ....the NLP fractionation method, every time a bit deeper....

(05-16-2022 1:40 PM)LoveInSpain Wrote:  Flick between both. Get her involved in a deep "connection" topic, then switch briefly to something sensual or sexual, as if it were totally normal. Then back to another connection convo. Rinse + repeat, watching her body language as you proceed.

How about just conversation connection plus kino (to show you're more than a friend)?

I did this with a columbian.

She was 25 yo.

I used conversation connection and wore ensnare then as she started getting into me and laughing etc I pull her into me for a hug... This kino is all you need to turn her on. You don't need words. Words are casual (non creepy) taking interest in her and kino is sexual , right to fucking which is the ultimate kino.

Women get creeped out by me when I talk sexual (Dirty old man) but not when I physically come on to them. When I kino them , neck them, feel them up, french kiss them, eat them out, let them blow me and swallow, and bang them they love it.

I have used this approach successfully all the time with m3x 2017.. And ensnare is showing similar promise.

Thundr is a bodybuilder guy and I'm getting back into bodybuilding.. It as if his products work for that TYPE of guy.

Many southern european women, latin american women, and south american women like guys who are friendly, connection based, humor, sweet muscular, strong , etc but like to be touched when its time to get physical. Many of them don't like me saying I wanna make you wet and squirt etc.. They think its creepy. Many don't like talking during sex. They like to be ravaged. Sex is very physical to these particular origins of women.

Also many of these women favour a gentle bodybuilder guy who ravages them in the bedroom than an astute man. Sure intellect can go a long way but I'm not trying to find a hot woman to do my homework but a hot woman to fuck. haha.

I haven't had this kind of luck with asian women (not south asian). Many asian women, favor asian or white males, and like height a lot and status.

(05-16-2022 4:27 PM)dsouza Wrote:  How about just conversation connection plus kino (to show you're more than a friend)?

I did this with a columbian.

She was 25 yo.

I used conversation connection and wore ensnare then as she started getting into me and laughing etc I pull her into me for a hug... This kino is all you need to turn her on. You don't need words. Words are casual (non creepy) taking interest in her and kino is sexual , right to fucking which is the ultimate kino.

Women get creeped out by me when I talk sexual (Dirty old man) but not when I physically come on to them. When I kino them , neck them, feel them up, french kiss them, eat them out, let them blow me and swallow, and bang them they love it.

I have used this approach successfully all the time with m3x 2017.. And ensnare is showing similar promise.

Thundr is a bodybuilder guy and I'm getting back into bodybuilding.. It as if his products work for that TYPE of guy.

Many southern european women, latin american women, and south american women like guys who are friendly, connection based, humor, sweet muscular, strong , etc but like to be touched when its time to get physical. Many of them don't like me saying I wanna make you wet and squirt etc.. They think its creepy. Many don't like talking during sex. They like to be ravaged. Sex is very physical to these particular origins of women.

Also many of these women favour a gentle bodybuilder guy who ravages them in the bedroom than an astute man. Sure intellect can go a long way but I'm not trying to find a hot woman to do my homework but a hot woman to fuck. haha.

I haven't had this kind of luck with asian women. Many favor asian or white males, and like height a lot and status.

I have reading about the girls in other countrys and this ist right.
https://hookuptravels.com/wiki/Category:..._in_Europe

My frend is a fighter Bodybuilder and the most girls write him in instagram.
The most gilrs are türkish, balcan, arabic and african girls. Germany havent
a lot of latina gilrs. Asian women don't write to him either.

Asian women find strong alpha males intimidating. If the Chinese woman has a good girlfriend or boyfriend and you get to know her, then you will be accepted by her. It's like that all over East Asia. When you greet your Asian friend at the table, you suddenly know everyone at their table. The problem with China is that it is a xenophobic people. Most women prefer Chinese men. The friendliest Asian countries are Thailand. Then come Philippines and Vietnam. China is more closed. In Japan, women are very conservative and prefer serious relationships. Japanese women have very few sex partners and in Thailand women have the most sex partners.

Here in Germany, women do not place as much value on deep connection and friendliness as they do in Canada. German women pay a lot of attention to intelligence and it is important that the man speaks fluently and confidently without an accent. When speaking German in Germany, foreigners often hear the question "Did you grow up in Germany? / How long have you lived here in Germany?" If you stutter or use incorrect grammar then you are classified as not very intelligent. Almost no other country pays as much attention to language and intelligence as Germany.