(06-06-2017 11:16 AM)Ekscentra Wrote:  In other words, it's pre-diluted, if I'm understanding you correctly. Your above post gave the impression that you were speaking of the pure concentrate rather than a dilution in oil. On its own, Iso E Super shouldn't be thick, no matter the purity. With few exceptions, aromachemicals tend to be much thinner in consistency compared to, say, an essential oil or absolute. Given that both you and Snoopy have found significantly improved performance compared to other sources of Iso E, I have to wonder if: a) your source adulterates their Iso E with small doses of other aromachemicals or (more likely) b) your source is comparable or slightly lesser in Iso Gamma Super levels to the Sylvamber I currently have on hand. I've found the impact to be at least 3x greater than standard Iso E Super, but one perfumer whom I greatly respect found the number closer to 10x in performance (!). Iso Gamma Super levels may make a much bigger difference than I'd previously suspected.

Hi Ek. No, this version is a pure UNDILUTED Iso E that imo has the consistancy or slightly more then Glycol (DPG). In other words, it seems to be a pure concentrate in higher concentration then others. From reading originally it did not appear it was mixed with any other aromachemicals or diluted in anything else and SnoopyAce in PM mentioned its potency was higher then a few he tried as well which is why I wanted to test it out myself. What I found was that in amounts over around 3ml per 10ml with an alcohol based cologne with THIS version, the mixture gets thicker to where it comes out more like a squirt gun and not just as a spray but the potency makes it effective. Potentially could be similar using just more of a lower potency version. For those using this version as an add on I suggested a range of 5-40 drops per 10ML to experiment with, and suggest to add it first to a cover cologne so you can see the difference vs the base product and test your skin sensitivity. Maybe try 5 for skin test and then 10 drops as a starting point per 10ml. I already tested it direct in bottle to confirm it was not the cover scent itself giving the improved results as well.

Yes from my prior research talking with perfumers who have experimented with it, Iso E had peaked my interest in higher concentration and doses it does make a difference. From research few others I noticed in the pheromone world seemed to know but perfumers did, or I guess used too little concentration of it. I will try to contact the seller and see if he has any more info to clarify that I didnt post or if I'm wrong about something, or if he sells it in large quantity for someone who wants to do mixes if its more potent then the other stuff you can get elsewhere.

I am posting here since I used Swoon as an example, but it also worked for me on Alpha-Q which I'm also currently testing. My clasp on my alpha chain broke a few days ago and when I called to get a new clasp, I was chatting and I mentioned the results of ISO E added to AQ, and now they apparently are going to test themselves using their own pure ISO E and may add it to future versions! They have a different pure ISO, so when they contact me with the tracking for the clasp maybe I can find out what dose and pure ISO E they used and their results. But this topic will be about Swoon and not other ISO E uses. So I agree with you that it does make more difference then you must have previously thought. Apparently SnoopyAce and Ammo both have already tested it with positive results as well, it isnt just my opinion you have to go by.

Not sure if this helps. But I'll mention it here. I've tried something similar with Isopropanol Alchohol. With swoon and a few more other products. To increase the dies down diffusion to extend it a bit longer after the initial 4 hour application.

What I can observe is that, it diffuses in bursts. Meaning it diffuses to a "in ya face" level but dies down dramatically with a short burst of 15 30 minutes. After that it's back to base line behaviour from me targets. But it does bring the swoon 4 hour old application back to full peak. And then I 'believe' (I could be wrong) Isopropanol Alchohol acts more like a cleaner to clean out the original app for good.

Tested it with 100% Isopropanol and 10 to 90 EO to Isopropanol ratio. Both seem to do the same. Except the 10 90 leaves the EO smell. But the hits die down after that initial 15 30 minutes burst.

My theory is that Isopropanol Alchohol lifts us the heavier molecules in swoon amd dissipates it to the air with a full clean on the skin surface. The only issue am having with me theory is that I can't see an exact pattern. So am still testing but that's what I could see so far.

Tried in on Swoon, Tusc, DP, NNPA oil and Number8.

Haven't tried it on sprays yet as I think it's gonna break the balance too soon too early as sprays already has a bit of alchohol in this.

If Isopropanol acts like that, what am assuming is that the combination of Isopropanol + Iso E Super can increase the efficiency in oil products. Making the product 'in ya face' (with Isopropanol) and increase the longevity (and efficiency with Iso E Super.)

(06-06-2017 7:06 PM)DataDragon Wrote:  Hi Ek. No, this version is a pure UNDILUTED Iso E that imo has the consistancy or slightly more then Glycol (DPG). In other words, it seems to be a pure concentrate in higher concentration then others. From reading originally it did not appear it was mixed with any other aromachemicals or diluted in anything else and SnoopyAce in PM mentioned its potency was higher then a few he tried as well which is why I wanted to test it out myself. What I found was that in amounts over around 3ml per 10ml with an alcohol based cologne with THIS version, the mixture gets thicker to where it comes out more like a squirt gun and not just as a spray but the potency makes it effective.

That makes sense. You're running into extrait strength there. Amounts this high are unheard of in the perfume world. The highest concentration fragrance containing Iso E Super would be Molecule 01 itself, which is concentrated in EdT strength at 100% of the fragrance concentrate - this translates to about 1.5mL to 8.5mL solution, or half what you used.

Ran across a swoon/evolve combo that was s showing a lot of promise. At my age of 48 I have found 4 drops of swoon to be optimal for me. A drop rubbed across each side of the neck, 1 to the front of neck and 1 drop spread between my inner wrists. Then add 1 drop of evolve oil to upper chest and the ladies are watching.

Worn at work and out to stores and this combo is really getting women's attention. Lots of smiles, stares and flirting. Seems to hit all ages white and black primarily, so far. May ramp this up to 2drops evolve but not for work. More to come with this one.

(06-06-2017 11:17 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  That makes sense. You're running into extrait strength there. Amounts this high are unheard of in the perfume world. The highest concentration fragrance containing Iso E Super would be Molecule 01 itself, which is concentrated in EdT strength at 100% of the fragrance concentrate - this translates to about 1.5mL to 8.5mL solution, or half what you used.

Eks, DD, congratulations on demonstrating that calm, rational men can work out a misunderstanding on a forum reasonably, without harsh words or blowing up. I'd buy each of you a six pack RIGHT NOW if his happened in person.

(06-06-2017 11:17 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  That makes sense. You're running into extrait strength there. Amounts this high are unheard of in the perfume world. The highest concentration fragrance containing Iso E Super would be Molecule 01 itself, which is concentrated in EdT strength at 100% of the fragrance concentrate - this translates to about 1.5mL to 8.5mL solution, or half what you used.

I understand now that DD is using ISO D that is much stronger then perfumers use and is why it is thick. Sorry DD. I love your scientific approach to pheromones.

Went around town with 3 drops of Swoon today. I felt like it would benefit from combining with C36. I'll run that combo within a week and report back.

I'm running tests in my journal to give Swoon a stronger alpha spine. I mentioned that Swoon has the ability to suck people into my reality, they get drawn in and it's similar to the way the NA trance works, yet much stronger and different. I also found Swoon doesn't give me the respect at a glance other alpha products do. I am looking to keep the Swoon trance while adding in respect at a glance. I've only used Swoon solo 3 or 4 times, but the lack of respect at a glance bothered me. I will be using it solo as well during this time.

A314 did it, but am looking for a smoother respect.

Wolf, as many of us know, isn't the strongest alpha product in the pheromone world and is seen as beta by many. I mixed it with Wolf today and while the aura was wild and experiment was fun, it didn't give it a strong spine and in my short interactions, I didn't see the Swoon trance (hopefully I will). It was a fun mix (9 drops scented wolf and 3 drops unscented Swoon all on my neck/jaw)

Both times, adding Swoon made playing with those alpha blends much more fun.

I have the following alpha blends, listed in order of which I have the best grasp on: TUSC, Wolf, Bad Wolf, A314 (high understanding of the blends), NA, C36 (mild mastery) and Captain, AV, Titan and Ascend w/ Cops (I have never used Ascend FYI)

Most of the experimentation will be in my journal to reduce clutter in this thread, in which I plan to periodically report my findings.

Unrelated to my mission, there's a combo mentioned here with Holy Grail, Lady Killer and GOA I want to link in because I don't think it should be missed by those who only read this forum:

http://pheromone-forum.com/showthread.ph...#pid135619

(06-13-2017 9:32 PM)BigDickBandit420 Wrote:  I'm running tests in my journal to give Swoon a stronger alpha spine.

Maybe consider wearing copulins with swoon? Copulins may make the vibe a little more alpha or maybe more badass.

(06-13-2017 9:52 PM)metaltree Wrote:  Maybe consider wearing copulins with swoon? Copulins may make the vibe a little more alpha or maybe more badass.

That would be an interesting experiment for anyone who has any copulins around (that aren't already part of a mix.) I know I've had great luck adding either Alpha Treasures or especially Z-69 to Swoon in order to add a more backbone and sex it up more. Somewhere in all the threads i did comment on Z-69, I believe.

(06-14-2017 7:12 AM)Snoopyace Wrote:  That would be an interesting experiment for anyone who has any copulins around (that aren't already part of a mix.) I know I've had great luck adding either Alpha Treasures or especially Z-69 to Swoon in order to add a more backbone and sex it up more. Somewhere in all the threads i did comment on Z-69, I believe.

Has anybody tried Dirty Primitive +Swoon?

I did, but only for a short time. I can't say that I saw anything notable, but I believe that it was due to diffusion issues on Swoon as I have the unscented. I still have to procure some ISO e Super like Snoop and Datadragon suggested. In the interim, if anybody has done something with DP+Swoon, please chime in. DP would be a logical choice as it isn't too heavy on Androstenone and it also offers the copulins.