Hello Folks, I'm a long time lurker who just got back into Pheromones.

This is a long post for any one who is interested in a bit more background. But basically I am just looking see if anyone has compiled a list of Androstadienone containing products.


The long part....

I'm in my 40s, I'm primarily northern european with some distant native american and mediterrean bloodlines.

I am looking for a "be careful" list after having a terrible reaction to Cohesion.

Rather than get depressed around Androstadienone , I tend to get angry, confrontational and aggressive.

I am looking for Androstadienone alternatives that work for bonding and ease out PMS. I don't want to give up on it. I'd like to know why it pisses me off.

My half-brother seems to have the same reaction, even at small drops. It is like I feel a need to assert my alpha status. Anyone else have this reaction? I had this reaction with just one drop of Cohesion all 3 times I tried it. It also seemed to maybe convert to anger sadness a few days later.

I used Instant Female Magic (instant female magic) years ago and had a similar reaction.

If it helps, I seem to have a strong nose - I pick up scents really fast but cannot always discern them well. Everyone says I have an awesome sense of smell. I get a phero rush at single drops and more than a few sprays of things (including colognes) will cause a runny nose.

I started out back in 2003 and up until 2008 A314 was all I needed (that and gel packs products called PheroGel and Charisma which I used to buffer things). After 2008 and unknowingly using a bad batch of A314, I just assumed there weren't good alternatives.

Body chemistry wise, most women I've dated say I have no BO and or that I smell great. But I also historically fell into the category of "I want to marry him" vs "I want to sleep with him". Oddly I attracted a fair bit of bi-sexual women and now and then model females but it was like they would try me out for spin, see I wasn't alpha and move on. When I started using Pheromones like A314, New Pheromone Additive, to a certain extent AV and definitely Perfect 10, things changed.

I don't know if these had Androstadienone , but I do know that the days after a large use of A314, I got pretty lethargic and often my drive went down - I would liken it to an estrogenic conversion of excess test...

If it helps here are some of the products I've used lately and my self-reactions:

Nude: no reaction, maybe positive, super talkative, confident, too honest.

AV: ah kind of macho, a bit up tight, feeling a bit wired/alpha but sometime just confident.

Wolf: feels great natural. Could wear all day long. Party boy.

X22: love, love, love this stuff seems to have a scent from the early A314.

Glace: others think I am a movie star, but I get kind of irritable.

P130: super awesome confident but a bit self-conscious

A314R32 Original - I'm the boss, locked in. Maybe some post use depression mild.

P91: Meh

Turn Up The Heat: nothing that I can tell, maybe a bit irritable.

MX297: just kind of solid. The man.

New Pheromone Additive (brown bottle silver label but not frosted bottle) love it, reminds of early A314 (white capped mutant bottle), but a bit intense - makes me a bit tense later (aka rush, then fall off)

Stone Labs Perfect 10: P10. Confident as hell but also ready to throw down. Hate the stink.

T150 Cops: solid, horny.

Master: irritable

P96: Maybe a titch up tight. Smell reminds me of A314 early and rev32, but seems to wire me up a bit, make me want take charge and shit test folks. In a word: snarky.

APi: dud. Irritable at worst.

Xist: Confident as hell but seems to have let down side effects later.

Passion: again super confident, macho but a tendency to become pissed.

Scent of Eros: I have this on now with P96 and I believe it is causing a lack of focus, lethargy and bit of depression, 2 hours in.

Those are the stand outs reaction wise. I guess my biggest goal would be to lather but not be irritated later when I smell the mones on myself.

Any advice welcome. Anyone have to deal with this situation? How to mitigate PMS and/or create a crush or quick trust effect without using something that pisses me off....


Thanks!

According to Garry LAL doesn't use Androstadienone .cohesion,taboo,Am,l2k,imprint all have Androstadienone .

Mitigating PMS symptoms? I'd suggest a TAC-containg product like Evolve, SXD-9 (*great* product!), pr Alpha Treasures, if not straight TAC. I'd also use some scent that contains real clary sage. Cypress is another good one.

X22 contains Androstadienone , yet you've reported no negative interactions with it. New Pheromone Additive does too - A314 does not. Most HAX products are considered fairly well-buffered. Despite containing Androstadienone , they may be worth a shot for you. It sems to me ypu react negatively to Androstadienone based on how it's buffered. Lucky for you - in my case, I get the same reaction regardless of what it's paired with.