(10-25-2019 12:07 PM)Gladen Wrote:  Apart from the physiological reasons, a lot of it has to do, I think, with the time when ladies hit their prime. We men tend to peak early in life and mostly slide downhill from there. Most scientists say that 19-20 years old is pretty much the pinnacle of maledom for us.

Women, on the other hand, hit their physical and personal peaks in the 30-40 (plus) age range. Those lucky ladies! After we guys have peaked and started the down slide, ladies are just revving up for theirs.

When women hit their prime they also have lots more life experience and maturity. They've already experienced quite a bit and have a great idea of what they want, like, and are much more at peace with their sexuality.

All of this combines into a powerful natural force where you have a woman, in her physical prime, that knows exactly what she wants and has no qualms about going after it, that is looking for a partner (be he Mr. Right, or just merely Mr. Right Now) that can deliver all of that.

At that stage she would desire (or need) a man that has both virility and personal strength. More pheromones would paint the wearer much more vibrantly than none.

To put it shortly, on the converse side, younger ladies, when confronted with high pheromone concentrations either don't know what to do with a guy like that, are intimidated, or they are reminded of their father.

I can see where you're coming from, but I have a very different view of it. It depends a bit on what the OP means by strong mones. I mostly use the strongest shit out there and in high doses. The best hits I've gotten during these years of using mones were with younger women, age 16-22. I'm 29 now, started using at 20 for reference. Sure, lots of young women were intimidated too. I see more attraction from young women now than I ever did 9 years ago.

This might sound harsh, but I think when women age 30-40 show strong intent it's because they know they have to. In my experience, their interest in me has that air of desperation. They know their sexual market value is lowered so they have nothing to lose. A woman is at her most desirable at 20-22. I don't think women are lucky after they hit 30 at all. Unless they found the right guy years before and he still wants to be with her.

I completely disagree that men peak around 19-20. There's a reason the male protagonist is usually 35-45 in movies. We only have to go back 50 years and it was common a man in his 30's would marry an 18 year old girl. At that point he had paid his dues, become a man who could provide for his family. A man's sexual market value is based on looks, money and status. And of course masculinity. Very few 19 year old dudes today are masculine. They don't have money or status either. Even with good looks they can't compete with a 30 year old winner popping champagne in the VIP section.

I'm willing to bet most, if not all women would rather fuck Ryan Gosling than Justin Bieber. On the flip side, a common male fantasy is to bang the babysitter or the neighbors daughter. It just makes sense to me. I'd take Britney Spears at 20 years old before any women who lived 30-40. That line from Dazed and Confused: "I get older, they stay the same".

(10-25-2019 2:08 PM)MacCauley Wrote:  I can see where you're coming from, but I have a very different view of it....

My fellow pheroites, THIS is how one debates and disagrees! Everything he said is well-backed, well-supported, and most excellently presented.

There are conclusions in there that i am well-aware of, but either disregarded, or hadn't taken into account. Plus, our age differences make his and my perspectives quite different.

Likewise, I disagree with MacCauley on several of his points, but I LOVE the incredible way that he countered everything I said. I also appreciate his reasoning bringing another, just as viable, point of view to light; allowing me (and all of us, really) to further my own knowledge .

I am with MacCauley on this . There is plenty of charts online on man desirability and worth vs women . Women peak 16-25. Man only start rising after 25. If I remember the chart it intersect around early 30ish.

Guys can still make a kid at 30, 40, 50 even . There's a reason girls start freaking out when they hit 30 and don't have life yet together ( husband, kids, family ) . Their value generally drops

I can see gladens point , but only on the part that older women know what they want and are not afraid to show it . Example : 16-23, paaaarty, 23-30 need to get my shit together , family, husband , etc. After 30 I can see girls just stop caring what society thinks . If she wants to bang she bangs etc.

(10-25-2019 2:08 PM)MacCauley Wrote:  I can see where you're coming from, but I have a very different view of it. It depends a bit on what the OP means by strong mones. I mostly use the strongest shit out there and in high doses. The best hits I've gotten during these years of using mones were with younger women, age 16-22. I'm 29 now, started using at 20 for reference. Sure, lots of young women were intimidated too. I see more attraction from young women now than I ever did 9 years ago.

This might sound harsh, but I think when women age 30-40 show strong intent it's because they know they have to. In my experience, their interest in me has that air of desperation. They know their sexual market value is lowered so they have nothing to lose. A woman is at her most desirable at 20-22. I don't think women are lucky after they hit 30 at all. Unless they found the right guy years before and he still wants to be with her.

I completely disagree that men peak around 19-20. There's a reason the male protagonist is usually 35-45 in movies. We only have to go back 50 years and it was common a man in his 30's would marry an 18 year old girl. At that point he had paid his dues, become a man who could provide for his family. A man's sexual market value is based on looks, money and status. And of course masculinity. Very few 19 year old dudes today are masculine. They don't have money or status either. Even with good looks they can't compete with a 30 year old winner popping champagne in the VIP section.

I'm willing to bet most, if not all women would rather fuck Ryan Gosling than Justin Bieber. On the flip side, a common male fantasy is to bang the babysitter or the neighbors daughter. It just makes sense to me. I'd take Britney Spears at 20 years old before any women who lived 30-40. That line from Dazed and Confused: "I get older, they stay the same".

Agree, also consider that (most) older women have a lack of emotional stimulation in their lives. They have kids and a husband , or are divorced. A guy who produces a lot of none is going to excite them.

Interesting split here. The older guys are focused on how a woman's physiology changes and how that affects her drive,outlook, and sexual nature; whereas the younger crowd is focused on the perception of a lady's value and desirability (mostly to males).

I'm wondering if my mentality of such things shifted over the decades, but I cannot remember back that far! I'm not saying that either stance is correct or more,or less, true; just that the differing points of view are worthy of noting.

I will say this, though: Gosling might be a definitive heart-throb, but Justin is still the Bieb. (older guys joke)

(10-25-2019 4:32 PM)Gladen Wrote:  Interesting split here. The older guys are focused on how a woman's physiology changes and how that affects her drive,outlook, and sexual nature; whereas the younger crowd is focused on the perception of a lady's value and desirability (mostly to males).

I'm wondering if my mentality of such things shifted over the decades, but I cannot remember back that far! I'm not saying that either stance is correct or more,or less, true; just that the differing points of view are worthy of noting.

I will say this, though: Gosling might be a definitive heart-throb, but Justin is still the Bieb. (older guys joke)

I'm interested in both the physiological and psychological reasons of why older women may be attracted to stronger mones and why younger women would shy away from from them.

I do agree with MacCauley's points as well.

Gladen, I may be misunderstanding you when you say women hit their primes in their 30-40s...in what way do you think so? I think it is undeniable from a physical standpoint they hit their physical prime earlier on. It's probably all evolutionary and has to do with making healthy children and when fertility peaks. I think this is why it more common to see older men with, and going after, women younger than themselves, than the other way around.

I'm sure there are of course examples of women who look better at 40 then 20, but that is probably because they took worse care of themselves at 20 and then made health (and even beauty) a priority later in life, but I don't think the actual process of aging (after maybe 25 or so) ever does a women any physical favors (whereas you could argue that aging actually makes a man more "rugged" and masculine and better looking in some ways - but maybe not). But overall I think softness and youth is valued more in women and it may be the opposite in men. Sorry if this comes off as insensitive towards woman but I think there are scientific/evolutionary reasons for this.

But maybe you meant from a psychological standpoint, as women are more confident at 30-40? I could agree with that. Also maybe their personalities/attitudes have matured/improved which counts for ton. And we probably all (both men and women) become more interesting with more age and hence more life experiences. Maybe part of it is that they are more liberated and feel free to act upon what is turning them on. So maybe 20-somethings actually like stronger mones (more?), but there are psychological blocks there.

Or maybe some of you hit it on the head when you said an older women has more testosterone and less estrogen, so maybe that is a main factor. Based on this new/different physiology, maybe as they age they tend to like stronger mones?

(10-25-2019 4:58 PM)hut Wrote:  Gladen I may be misunderstanding you when you say women hit their primes in their 30-40s...in what way do you think so?

Most assume that a person's peak is at their physical best fitness. For most guys this is roughly in the 19 to 25 range and for ladies it is roughly the same, with the age of 23 being their peak physical attractiveness.

However, a person's physical pinnacle is nowhere near the peak of their life. For example, others cited that a man's physical desirability is around 30-35 years, closing in on double the age of their peak physicality. While a woman's potential for porn-hub stardom might decline a bit in her 30's, her physiological self is at her peak performance.

Removing all the social stigmas of baby/marriage/ desirable in some physical sense, a woman's body has the increase in sex drive, the added testosterone boost while men her age are typically beholden to beer bellies and mid-life crises, and her body is still quite amazing and attractive to all but whelps.

You add in the decade or two of life experience where she has a full understanding of her wants, needs, desires, and a solid direction in life; plus she's now tired of all the idiocy that younger guys tend to exhibit (no offense), and you have a true force of nature.

You have a woman with life experience, no qualms about what she wants (or telling you/ showing you), all the sex drive of a 20-year-old guy, a desire to expand her horizons and seek out adventure, and that can live, laugh, and screw with the best of them.

In that stage the woman is the total package. Now yeah, sure, some of these fine and wonderful ladies might not have the same amazing body they did 15-20 years ago; but by comparison to most guys her own age, women become more sophisticated, lithe, graceful, alluring, and sexier than men.

It is the hormonal change that makes them respond stronger to strong pheromones, and men of the same character traits that will fulfill their needs; and their experiences and attitudes that blow away those lovely younger nymphets.

Sure, younger ladies might have a slight advantage over the 30-somethings and 40-somethings in the nubile body department; but once you experience them and all the life they are overflowing with; you'll take a finely aged wine over a new bottle of mad-Dog each and every time.

That is what I meant. It is a life-experience, attitude, and physiology thing; not based upon how hot guys think they are or the disposition of their bodies for our drooling pleasures. On top of that, women that do not succumb to the rigors of mundane life and take pride in themselves grow from sexy girls into beautiful and mysterious women that are worlds beyond their younger selves in the sexiness department; but they now seek out adventure and new experiences both in and out of the bedroom.

The guys that disagree with this prognosis are right in their own fashion, but I am likewise not incorrect.

I got more sex (ONS) in my mid 40's than I ever got in my 20's when I was hitting the gym and mma 4 hrs a day , 6 days a week.

In the end peak sexual accomplishments are not necessarily related to physical peaks in youth.

While my erections were more numerous and solid in my teens and 20's without sex pills it doesn't mean I had the skills or experience to bed 9's and 10's just because the dicky worked.

Women are the same. Experience is still the biggest factor in success, and experience usually takes decades before it comes to fruition.

It occurred to me that my prior lengthy explanation could have been greatly simplified if I would merely have stated: the younger guys are talking about physical/ attraction peaks and we older guys are talking about prime of life...both valid and both correct.

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