(12-28-2011 6:51 AM)idontknow Wrote:  Neither.

Strange thing is that most alpha Pheromones give me positive self-effects. If i recall correctly, then Wolf had nice effects on me in the beginning. Though after wearing like 15-20ml of it, self effects are slightly negative, while hits are still very positive. It's still one of my favorites, after all.

The reason I asked it's because I'm having greater success wearing pheromones before working out than after. Both the self effects and effects on others.

As I recall correctly, Clint's been going to the gym wearing different kinds of pheromones while experiencing hits and I'm thinking he is getting them after starting the workout rather than before. It helps in the diffusion? Projection? No idea but my experience tells me that it's better this way. And I'm not talking about an intense work out. Applying a pheromone and taking a 5 minute jog is good enough.

Cheers

(12-29-2011 1:17 PM)SeriousSmile Wrote:  The reason I asked it's because I'm having greater success wearing pheromones before working out than after. Both the self effects and effects on others.

As I recall correctly, Clint's been going to the gym wearing different kinds of pheromones while experiencing hits and I'm thinking he is getting them after starting the workout rather than before. It helps in the diffusion? Projection? No idea but my experience tells me that it's better this way. And I'm not talking about an intense work out. Applying a pheromone and taking a 5 minute jog is good enough.

Cheers

Exercise increases blood flow which increases skin temperature which increases diffusion. Especially in cooler climes, with oil based Pheromones you don't have a chance unless you get the skin temp up.

(12-29-2011 1:05 PM)LebronJames Wrote:  I'm no doctor but you should not take mones with anxiety disorder. I do get self effects sometimes that overwhelm me so I'm guessing that anxiety could be a major problem to handle those effects...

I really don't want to sound harsh at all but your report on Wolf is an outlier and should not be consider since you're not a typical user.

Peace

This is like throwing out the baby with the bath water. Beleive it or not some mones HELP my anxiety disorder over and above not using mones at all. AM and IS/AMMO help me all the time. They tend to relax me.

Any heavy Androsterone product is going to get one thinking faster which is why its bad for anxiety. The bath water is these products like a314 and wolf if worn too often. The baby is AM and IS/AMMO. Two products that work like magic for me and have got me no more anxiety than had I to not take mones at all.

MANY sick people out there use all kind of products not just mones. IMHO doctors err on the side of too much conservatism (what do they have to lose by this choice after all?).

The only time I've seen wolf work for me is if I have a deep sleep (which rarely happens) and if I'm fairly clear thinking and relaxed. Then 1 spray has indeed got me the reactions talked about on this board without the side effects of increased anxiety and racing thoughts.

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Very interesting. Does anyone experience anxiety with Wolf? I have been wearing one spray for a couple weeks now and have not had anything like that happen. Actually, it seems to make me LESS anxious.

No anxiety from any LAL products and I use a lot. Wolf almost every day at work. Other custom and prodcution mixes as well. I used to get it wearing Turn Up The Heat

Does anyone notice with Wolf on they get grandiose thoughts? I find I get these self effects whenever I wear it. I behave normally but deep down I envision myself as a world champion guitarist when I'm not even well known in my province.

I don't think this way when I wear AM. Could it be placebo or Wolf's self effects? It is supposed to increase your status, it can't do that if it makes you feel like a loser so I don't think its placebo.

Any comments?

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(01-01-2012 10:20 AM)dsouza Wrote:  Does anyone notice with Wolf on they get grandiose thoughts? I find I get these self effects whenever I wear it. I behave normally but deep down I envision myself as a world champion guitarist when I'm not even well known in my province.

I don't think this way when I wear AM. Could it be placebo or Wolf's self effects? It is supposed to increase your status, it can't do that if it makes you feel like a loser so I don't think its placebo.

Any comments?

dsouza

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The self effects of Wolf aren't a placebo. There are just too many anecdotal stories, including my own, that back this up. It's very Daniel Ocean/007-ish. Which is why it's my daily wear fragrance now.

(01-01-2012 2:19 PM)Dafixisin Wrote:  The self effects of Wolf aren't a placebo. There are just too many anecdotal stories, including my own, that back this up. It's very Daniel Ocean/007-ish. Which is why it's my daily wear fragrance now.

Yeah, I don't get grandiose thoughts, but the self effects are very evident. I wonder how different the formula is from A314. I like it much better so far.

I ordered AV which came with a sample of Wolf. I've been wearing AV + Scent of Eros before I leave for work in the morning, but I only start to see hits when I put on drops from my Wolf sample in the late afternoon / evening. Girls will come up to me and say that I seem like a really nice person and they love the way I dress at work. Random strangers guys and girls will say 'hi' in passing. Guys will try to make plans with me. Girls lower their shirts as I'm talking to them. However, none of this happens until I put the wolf sample on in the evening. Could it mean that I'm OD-ing on AV in the mornings? OR is Wolf just this good? I get a few random hits with AV+Scent of Eros in the morning, but in the afternoon when I start to wear Wolf is when I really feel alpha about holding eye contact with people and start to see hits clearly.

I don't have Wolf YET, but I think AV is just too much of a bad boy for daytime, in general not appropriate for this period, and a bit tricky to use in the beginning.