I am not sure. All anecdotal my man. Mere observations for myself and of myself.
Androstadienone generally causes me more agitation and depression.

Androstadienone = fuck my life. I suck.
Est = what's wrong with me? Why am I such a bitch? Everyone is better than me at everything.

Again D, this is just me. Many members on here, including yourself, will have different results. Always dose depending and subjective.

I have also never ran any product said to contain those chemicals by themselves. Only based on products believed to have these pheromones.

(03-16-2017 2:25 PM)Blacky Chan Wrote:  

(03-16-2017 1:05 PM)dsouza Wrote:  Funny thing is 2 drops evolve oil and I go from feminine to extreme horny with high sex drive. I also notice next two days (esp if I haven't had sex with evolve the day I wore it) I grow bigger tits and get fatter. 1 drop not so bad. I've had sex with evolve so I know it turns me horny and ups my T or libido drastically in later hrs.
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So which one is it? You get fat or you get musclar?

BOTH... Muscular and strong the day AFTER applying evolve and having sex. Fatter with tits in subsequent days after that(the next 2-3)

(03-16-2017 2:59 PM)dsouza Wrote:  Spars' point ties well into my explanation if you read his experiences above.

You like what Spars says because it agtees with your preconceived beliefs. You can't gain pounds of muscle or fat in a couple days.

(03-16-2017 3:16 PM)Blacky Chan Wrote:  You like what Spars says because it agtees with your preconceived beliefs. You can't gain pounds of muscle or fat in a couple days.

Yes you're correct.. Re-read what I wrote about that in post #17. I may not of gained "pounds" of fat , But I did get small tits.

(03-16-2017 3:22 PM)dsouza Wrote:  Yes you're correct.. Re-read what I wrote about that in post #17. I may not of gained "pounds" of fat , But I did get small tits.

You said you gained 5 pounds. Virtually impossible to do in a couple of days.

I thought carbs was self explanatory enough without getting too involved in this little battle of wits. I thought it would go without saying: I consume dramatically more calories on a carb up, but not more than 3500 = 1 pound.

It's only possible through holding more food temporarily ANd through salt consumption, which would cause the body to hold water.

Only other way is if you consumed poison, or alcohol because that can only be metabolized in the brain or liver. Your body would typically make that a priority and cause you to store more fat, but this would be commutative. Not overnight.

another possibility is an allergic reaction.

but i think this is simply to much free T and not enough pump so it is rolling over via the bodies normal reaction to too much T.

also be interesting to note the side effects on the SO - if shes around all that T gel, well there will tend to be the same sorts of side effects a day later...

you get a great Androsterone high, nice stiffy, focus and all that.... pass out after sex or jerking off and your body rolls it all over into a bitch fest. enter laziness, bloating, lack of drive, and food cravings.

but the answer is simple: if you think it is evolve, just stop using.

other theory is maybe some guys are just EST sensitive in a big way?

for instance, i'm pretty convinced p83 sends me off the rails but no one else complains about it... sometimes Androstadienone slaps me other times it doesn't. i sleep like a baby on p96 etc...

It's also worth noting that T rises and falls faster than estrogen in the blood stream, so it can lead quickly to unbalanced hormonal levels.

Estratetraenol is an estrogen,,
Estrogen is related to the sex hormone Estradiol,
Estradiol is required for normal breast development, alteration of body shape,
skin changes, and the fat distribution profile that is typical of females.
Estradiol in males is produced by the Sertoli cells of the testes.

maybe is not good idea to use Androgel and Estratetraenol at the same time?

(03-17-2017 10:36 AM)RedEyes Wrote:  Estratetraenol is an estrogen,,
Estrogen is related to the sex hormone Estradiol,
Estradiol is required for normal breast development, alteration of body shape,
skin changes, and the fat distribution profile that is typical of females.
Estradiol in males is produced by the Sertoli cells of the testes.

maybe is not good idea to use Androgel and Estratetraenol at the same time?

someone shoulda told Bruce Jenner to just spray himself with evolve