Just thought I'd let you guys know Steve is offering a few "alternatives" to the most popular Androtics putatives, I have personally tested his XSP-F extensively and can say without a doubt that it is indeed TAF but at least 4x the strength, looks like AD have been less then honest with their dosage, was this a sly way of running a double blind test?

Interesting, I shall take a look when I'm done actually using my own P's I have in stock.

This could very well be the nail in the AD coffin.

(12-28-2014 1:36 PM)Blade Wrote:  Just thought I'd let you guys know Steve is offering a few "alternatives" to the most popular Androtics putatives, I have personally tested his XSP-F extensively and can say without a doubt that it is indeed TAF but at least 4x the strength, looks like AD have been less then honest with their dosage, was this a sly way of running a double blind test?

You mean that a 30 ml bottle that they say is 12.5 mcg's per spray is really 3.0 mcg's per spray?

We are just users and have no way of measuring the purity or the molecule content when we buy singles.

That's quite a charge.

(12-29-2014 2:46 PM)Paradox Wrote:  You mean that a 30 ml bottle that they say is 12.5 mcg's per spray is really 3.0 mcg's per spray?

We are just users and have no way of measuring the purity or the molecule content when we buy singles.

That's quite a charge.

You are correct there is no way of testing purity.

I tested XSP-F for three weeks with all kinds of dosages and you can tell just from the self effects alone that 12.5mcg from the XS bottle is much stronger, I have no way of knowing that it is exactly 4x the strength but I have a lot of experience with TAF and would say 4x is actually quite a conservative estimate.

Try it for yourself Paradox I have confidence that you will come to the same conclusion as me. At 25-37.5 mcg from the XS bottle I was getting crazy ADD like effects, classic TAF overdose signs.

I don't know if this is the same with the other molecules but I can tell p83 and p74 a mile off as I have been using them on a regular basis for years now, once I have tested the alternatives Il let you know what I think if your interested.

(12-29-2014 1:53 PM)Blacky Chan Wrote:  This could very well be the nail in the AD coffin.

Maybe....because:
"2% of the people think;
3% of the people THINK they think;..."

Or maybe not.... because:
"...And 95% of the people would rather DIE than think." - George Bernard Shaw

They also offer Androsterone Sulfate which is supposed to create effects similar to TAA, even though they do not claim it is the same molecule.

(12-29-2014 3:32 PM)Blade Wrote:  You are correct there is no way of testing purity.

I tested XSP-F for three weeks with all kinds of dosages and you can tell just from the self effects alone that 12.5mcg from the XS bottle is much stronger, I have no way of knowing that it is exactly 4x the strength but I have a lot of experience with TAF and would say 4x is actually quite a conservative estimate.

Try it for yourself Paradox I have confidence that you will come to the same conclusion as me. At 25-37.5 mcg from the XS bottle I was getting crazy ADD like effects, classic TAF overdose signs.

I don't know if this is the same with the other molecules but I can tell p83 and p74 a mile off as I have been using them on a regular basis for years now, once I have tested the alternatives Il let you know what I think if your interested.

Thanks for the report, if the molecules works like AD putatives, it definitely sounds like the last straw for someone looking to switch over.

Also, I think Paradox was questioning AD's advertised dosage rather than doubt pheroXS strength.