Yeah, there is neroli out there that is too cheap to be real. The real stuff is not a single molecule but a natural mixture of many substances. There is synthetic neroli, but even if it smells similar, I doubt that it has the same action.
At pellwall.com they distinguish between both and natural neroli is not only out of stock, but also highly expensive like 90$/10g.

Of course it is always the question how legit a product is. I have Yohimbine HCl as 10mg capsules. The solutebility of this is higher in water than in alcohol (10 mg/ml vs. 2 mg/ml) so I used a 50/50 mixture of water and ethanol, i.e. vodka.

Ambroxan is the key ingredient of CD Sauvage, my favorite cover scent. I have also the vague feeling that this perfume works very well in club/night/bar settings. I often had former stranger woman after 10 min interaction pressing their face into my chest and uttering "You smell so good".
It's not really for office or day game, but at night it plays a role. Maybe it's the ambroxan.

(06-06-2023 9:15 AM)Marcus Antonius Wrote:  Yeah, there is neroli out there that is too cheap to be real. The real stuff is not a single molecule but a natural mixture of many substances. There is synthetic neroli, but even if it smells similar, I doubt that it has the same action.
At pellwall.com they distinguish between both and natural neroli is not only out of stock, but also highly expensive like 90$/10g.

Of course it is always the question how legit a product is. I have Yohimbine HCl as 10mg capsules. The solutebility of this is higher in water than in alcohol (10 mg/ml vs. 2 mg/ml) so I used a 50/50 mixture of water and ethanol, i.e. vodka.

Ambroxan is the key ingredient of CD Sauvage, my favorite cover scent. I have also the vague feeling that this perfume works very well in club/night/bar settings. I often had former stranger woman after 10 min interaction pressing their face into my chest and uttering "You smell so good".
It's not really for office or day game, but at night it plays a role. Maybe it's the ambroxan.

I just looked up Neroli and it is ridiculous what it cost! I order all my supplements from pipingrock and got lucky and got a 15ML bottle when they had it on clearance. It is pure Neroli, they don't even sell it anymore, just a Neroli "blend".

How are you mixing it up?

I am an oil guy, but open to making an ethanol version would be something like 60% Ethanol to 40% DPG.

Where I live in AZ in the summer 100+ is normal this time of year. I will make some up and test it. I will look at get Yombie in liquid form soon to. I think I saw it for a 60ML bottle from pipingrock for about $15.

I haven't found natural neroli up to now. I might even willing to pay the price. You most likely need just 10g or so. I could imagine that there is like a season when you get it. It's made from orange blossoms, so maybe early summer is the best time to get it. Maybe there is fresh stuff coming soon. Pellwall is a serious company, they most likely don't sell you synthetic oil for the natural one. Finding a reliable source is key imho.

I'd love to test it too, but I'll test Beau first. I am very curious when my beau will come. I'm looking forward to testing Beau first

(06-06-2023 5:28 PM)Mertos89 Wrote:  I'd love to test it too, but I'll test Beau first. I am very curious when my beau will come. I'm looking forward to testing Beau first

Today, latest tomorrow.
But I'm not sure if I make a habit of sending tons of mones around....

Birch Tar

Today I test a bit of birch tar with mones. I have an important business meeting and down in my mind is since a while the idea, that smoke smells, while not pheromonic, are influencing human behavior on a very deep level.

There is a reason why Creed Aventus is so popular. Smoke smells are ultimately masculine.

I report in the evening...

I just ordered Yohimbe and Celery seed oil yesterday. I have to order some more perfumers alcohol and a few other things. I will mix some up and report back in due time.

Hi guys, I found today yohimbe powder from the plant bark at the shop,
But I didn’t find the liquid form of yohimbine .
Anyone of you guys know how to make a liquid form of it and what the concentration is?
Thanks

Sam

As with every other supplement based substance. You put it in a relatively large amount of solvant, most often ethanol. If you put a small amount of powder in a large amount of solvant, than you can assume that all of the substance get dissolved. After a couple of days in which you shake the mixture once or twice a day, you let the fillers sink to the bottom and just take the clear solution. I use a cheap plastic pipette, a medical syringe works as well.
If you have yohimbine HCl, than it solutes better in water than in alcohol. In that case I use a mix of 50% water and alcohol. Most other mones only dissolve in alcohol, pure one is better for those.

Marcus's advice is sound. I personally use two coffee filters ontop of a jar and it takes a 5-10 minutes for it to filter out the crap from a 100ml alcohol.

Also been recommended not to use it but I've been using it regardless. Rubbing alcohol is the cheapest alcohol you could get to dilute your molecules. I like it, I have success with it and been using it for years. 99% one

I don't apply it directly on skin. I use it to dilute powdered molecules and then when all said and done, I apply with a pippet and ratio it out to either perfumers alcohol, or an oil carrier.

Off topic.

I've been reading all about gel bases and seem to have a grasp on it. Was thinking of actually turning some of my favorite commercial pheromones or home brewed ones into gel.