(09-01-2015 10:47 PM)BeautifulEnigma Wrote:  I may be wrong but this whole time I was under the impression that Androstadienone is only found to have depressive side effects on men, and not women...although Im not quite sure if these side effects are manifested in lesbians as well, much like how EST is found to attract straight men and gay women..

That's correct. The depression effects are only seen in men, hence why Androstadienone is still seen in almost all mixes for lesbians. IIRC, gay men respond positively to Androstadienone as a woman might, just as they do with EST.

(09-02-2015 1:29 AM)LoveInSpain Wrote:  Samus, I get where you are coming from regarding the emotional issues. In the space of 5 days I've managed to get a girl totally obsessed with me thanks to some help from my buddies Xist and GOA. Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for in life. I'm also doubting my own morals, having deliberately tried to imprint upon several of my female friends over the last few months, many of who are now getting very jealous about the new girl in my life. I guess I didn't know how powerful this stuff is.

Regarding GOA, it has worked incredibly well and almost instantly on my girl, but is starting to have some unpleasant effects upon myself. It gets the girl all loving and clingy, but I'm left feeling melancholy and withdrawn. It seems that every success comes with its own price. I'm going to start to rethink my app points and dosage. Or I'll possibly switch to something purely sexual, just to change gear?

Just curious...what was the dosage of xist and GOA you used. I have a weekend trip coming up!

Hi Walsh77, I had been using an average of 4 drops of Xist and 4 of GOA. App points: wrists - neck - behind ears. But this is variable, as I am almost always outdoors in warm windy weather, and I tend to dose according to the amount of wind. I have a top up to-go bottle of GOA which I used after 3 hours outdoors.

Yesterday I lowered the dose to 2 of Xist (wrists and chest, below my T-shirt, just where she presses her head when we hug) and 2 x GOA, this time only on the backs of my hand to reduce self effects. I also ran a few sprays of FLIRT (I have very few socials at the moment) on my neck just to counteract the melancholy mood which I had the previous day. After walking for a while, we went for a bite to eat, then she invited me to her place. Withing 10 minutes, we were having the most incredible sex, initiated by her though I had been teasing the prospect the past few days.

She later told me that the previous afternoon, she had mastrubated whilst thinking about me just before we had met up, and that after every date she went home feeling wet and horny.

I strongly suggest that you go with this combo, but try to keep the app points for GOA away from your nose but as close to her as you can. I hope all goes well on your weekend trip, let us know how you get on.

(09-03-2015 2:15 AM)LoveInSpain Wrote:  Hi Walsh77, I had been using an average of 4 drops of Xist and 4 of GOA. App points: wrists - neck - behind ears. But this is variable, as I am almost always outdoors in warm windy weather, and I tend to dose according to the amount of wind. I have a top up to-go bottle of GOA which I used after 3 hours outdoors.

Yesterday I lowered the dose to 2 of Xist (wrists and chest, below my T-shirt, just where she presses her head when we hug) and 2 x GOA, this time only on the backs of my hand to reduce self effects. I also ran a few sprays of FLIRT (I have very few socials at the moment) on my neck just to counteract the melancholy mood which I had the previous day. After walking for a while, we went for a bite to eat, then she invited me to her place. Withing 10 minutes, we were having the most incredible sex, initiated by her though I had been teasing the prospect the past few days.

She later told me that the previous afternoon, she had mastrubated whilst thinking about me just before we had met up, and that after every date she went home feeling wet and horny.

I strongly suggest that you go with this combo, but try to keep the app points for GOA away from your nose but as close to her as you can. I hope all goes well on your weekend trip, let us know how you get on.

I will, thanks. Taking some advice from some experienced members of the board. Going with GOA solo (I posted the effect GOA had on her in that thread), then THA HUG (GOA + the hook up) for tailgating and concert, followed by a small re-app of each when we get back to the room. I'll post a detailed report Sunday night. BUT I did get a call at 2am last night, asking if I was okay and that she had a dream about me. She NEVER calls me like that and that was GOA solo.

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 last night had a fight with the so over text. It might have been the combination of repeated exposures to na+Androstadienone and/or xist... coupled with her manifested insecurity whilst I was wearing lk, but she hinted on hurting herself.. I dunno if this was an attention-grabbing act, but it's just so polar from a few months ago, when she basically acted like she didn't care and broke it off with me. Now that I'm refusing, she's hinting at self-harm? Dunno if this is manipulative behavior but I'd rather be on the safe side and watch her.. if i see more signs I might need to call for a 5150.

She also was accusing me again of never loving her and that I was out on a date... I was hoping LK would have enough Androstadienone to comfort her, and I could pair it up with NA, but I'm not sure. I might stick with primarily Androstadienone mixes to pair up with NA for now until I get a better handle on LK.

I'm keeping a closer eye on her, I've never seen her this quiet. Even when we fight, with her crying when I come to see her, she's still all over fb, posting stuff and being "loud". She just kept asking about hanging out and getting back together, to which I said not right now + things I need to see. And when I showed up, she was just quiet, gave me a quick peck on the lips.. but basically silent the whole night. Nothing on social media, which is a first the whole time I've known her. Tbh I'm a bit nervous, but will definitely keep a close eye on her.

Is this a sign of growing fallout?

How many times has she been exposed?

Don't look for evidence of fallout too fast - Fallout often needs a good number of exposure/withdrawal cycles before it really starts to set-in and by withdrawal, it means total withdrawal. No calls, texts, posts on facebook or anything else that gives her access to you. She needs to miss you and miss you badly.

(09-08-2015 1:39 AM)BeautifulEnigma Wrote:  she was just quiet, gave me a quick peck on the lips.. but basically silent the whole night.
Is this a sign of growing fallout?

Hey BeautifulE,

I get the same reaction from my wife as quoted above. Some days it's a warm hug and a nice kiss hello and goodbye, and some days (especially when she is stressed about work, life with the DUI, a recent medical thing, or our situation) she is introverted, a quick peck on the lips, and not very talkative, even when I am using an Androstadienone based product like GOA.

As for the other behaviors, tbh, it sounds a bit like a cry for your attention, but can understand your concerns completely. When I completely pull away, I get better conversation, chatty texts, etc.

It is human nature to want what you can't have, and right now she can't have you, and it may be driving her crazy, so to speak.

Human psychology is very interesting, Walsh. I hope you and your wife figure things out. Right now, it seems like mine is pissing on me figuratively..marking her territory. STRANGE! Take a look at my journal if you like, for more details. I don't wanna overpopulate the forum with duplicate posts..hehe

(09-16-2015 3:56 PM)BeautifulEnigma Wrote:  Human psychology is very interesting, Walsh. I hope you and your wife figure things out. Right now, it seems like mine is pissing on me figuratively..marking her territory. STRANGE! Take a look at my journal if you like, for more details. I don't wanna overpopulate the forum with duplicate posts..hehe

It really is! And when they finally give me access, i'll be all over it!

(09-01-2015 5:23 PM)NP17 Wrote:  I would place Grail of Affection on the back of my neck or maybe my wrists. It has androstadienone, which will cause depression and apathy in high enough doses. Everyone has a different sensitivity to androstadienone. You may get unbearable depression with just 1 drop. Some people don't get it no matter how much they use. To prevent this, I would reduce the exposure to yourself by putting it somewhere away from your nose. Avoid the front of the neck, and put it behind your ears, behind your neck, on your wrists, or on your calves. Don't put it under your clothes.

Some people complain about the self-effects of Nude Alpha, too, even though it doesn't have androstadienone, or A-1 as it's sometimes called.

And Samus, I'm right there with you. Maybe we have some kind of emotional problems in that we crave validation from others, or maybe that's part of being human. We can't live without feeling loved. Intimacy is an authentic human need. Fallout can definitely cause emotional distress in people as I'm sure you've felt it yourself for a young lass in your day, but people seek it out and continue the fight for what it is.

I always thought na had Androstadienone in it. Im not one of the ones sensitive to it. I love the stuff