Omg you're funny. Try to keep up I made the statement about guys getting "eye fucked" You posted a vid link of zyzz claiming it does happen. I said there's a difference between a shirtless model and the average Joe. You said he's not a model. I provide evidence he is a model. You disregard my post and say there are better looking model. The original point is that a half nakedguy with model good looks being viewed on a web cam is not the sane as a Joe walking into a bar in slacks and a polo.

(12-03-2015 1:13 PM)Blacky Chan Wrote:  The original point is that a half nakedguy with model good looks being viewed on a web cam is not the sane as a Joe walking into a bar in slacks and a polo.

This is what you wrote and nowhere in that statement you said he is average looking but your logic was,since he was a noob, his observations are meaning less.

(12-03-2015 9:53 AM)Blacky Chan Wrote:  Some of these newbie claims are just unrealistic. They are seeing things that aren't there or attributing things to mones that aren't mone related. Like the guy that walks into a gym/bar and is getting "eyefucked" by every girl. Seriously you're 20ft away there's no way the mones hit her.

A person wearing something like p86 can make himself more attractive than he is.Cmon.Think about the mones that made you attracted to girls you normally don't go for.Some gyms have large industrial size fans all over the place.There are mones that you can add to make mones work faster and don't forget diffusion from quality cover scent.Fast diffusion can net you some monster hits with some mixes.

Arguing over petty shit. Shaking my head.

Well when ever you guys are done, I would like to see this thread revived.

A person wearing something like p86 can make himself more attractive than he is.Cmon.Think about the mones that made you attracted to girls you normally don't go for.Some gyms have large industrial size fans all over the place.There are mones that you can add to make mones work faster and don't forget diffusion from quality cover scent.Fast diffusion can net you some monster hits with some mixes.
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No

First gyms are already full of natural mones. Second an industrial size fan is going to blow your mones and every one else's all over the place. Your scent would just be part of a pheromone soup. It be the equivalent of being outside on a windy day.

(12-03-2015 12:28 PM)SeekingSuccess Wrote:  What does all of this "debunking" do? Bring everyone back down to earth to think realistically? Maybe.

Quite frank, I was enjoying the thread. Now the thread is offset because "vets" want to blast noobs? Why?

My intention is not to blast the noob but to show them the reality of pheromones.

The ideal for this community would be to have a community full of users who have studied pheromones and who have at least 15 years of pheromone free PUA experience in the field. Actually, most of the guys who first came here had about 5 years of research experience at the old Love Scent forum. Some of the first posters here had years of experience from testing at the Pherotalk forum.

What we are drawing now is brand new pheromone users who also have very little experience with women. To compound that problem many of the new users are under 21. I always tell people to keep in mind that they could be talking to a 19 year old.

When I see excited new user posts about hair twirling and neck snapping I forget to keep in mind that others are not PUA's. Some new users have only had 2 or 3 girlfriends in their life. Some new users have only slept with 2 or 3 women. I forget that. We all have to start somewhere.

I just think that if we can get more accurate reporting then the Vendors can put out better products. if there were more accurate reporting then the Vendors would know what works and what doesn't. Instead products that should have dies an early death live on because new users report that they were surrounded by 10 women all with wet pussies who went to the ladies room to masturbate. Reports like this hype poor quality products and drive sales.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion however, there is a reason why Privates are not allowed to bark back at Generals.

All of us can express their opinions but flights of fancy must be checked.

It's bad enough that the testing done here is subjective. Tests are done in various environments (indoor, outdoor, large venues small venues, offices, daytime, cold temp, warm temp, nightime...ect) with various age ranges of targets.

Subjective information is one person's opinion. It may or may not be based on fact. It is one person's interpretation of that fact.

(12-03-2015 12:40 PM)RTBoss Wrote:  Why am I the only one here that's going to mention what the sole FEMALE member had to say?

BE said she's become spontaneously wet after applying L2K (albeit with DM+ on as well), and her SO ALSO experienced wetness after L2K v1 exposure. No guessing game there, it happened! I LOVE it when women report on men's products - I want to hear it from the horse's mouth.

I also noticed that BE's SO said, "So weird!" like she didn't know what was causing it. So either she wasn't admitting to BE being the source, or she really did feel she was getting wet for no reason.

I hope I don't get chewed out for this. Lol but everyone has a point, imo.

I actually kept quiet wondering if I did something wrong by providing a response..lol I agree with both sides, however. Both stances are plausible. Tbh I've never gone to the bathroom to masturbate, nor have I heard any of my "more liberal" friends/past females I've been involved with say anything about going to the bathroom to touch themselves.

Have I gone to the bathroom to do something with someone? Yes. But that can happen in any location. I've done it with a girl on top of a hike trail, on a picnic table in broad daylight (not my initiation, no mones), at a memorial park (I was much younger, didn't know any better). All without mones.

I do agree with jb that it's possible that the mones may have caused a girl to get wet and run to the bathroom. Happened to me several times, but some of those times, I wasn't turned on. It JUST happened.

At the same time, like Paradox had said, there were also SEVERAL possible factors that may have caused the girl to go to the bathroom.
And replication is key to attributing it to the mones' effects. How do we confirm that? I guess unless the user can smell her down there.. we won't find out unless we actually see/feel/get told about it. I, for one, can't smell it..lol

To make a long story short (too late! ), I gave instances of when I spontaneously had that happen to me before and had to go to the bathroom to wipe, but it was a handful of instances. BUT I feel that several factors (thay we're not aware of) also need to be considered. Even if the girl had her phone with her...I like my privacy when making some calls. I typically step out. It might have been the case for her.

Why don't we just take the thread for what it is and resume to our regularly scheduled programming? Seems like some members are enjoying the thread anyhow.

(12-03-2015 1:44 PM)Blacky Chan Wrote:  A person wearing something like p86 can make himself more attractive than he is.Cmon.Think about the mones that made you attracted to girls you normally don't go for.Some gyms have large industrial size fans all over the place.There are mones that you can add to make mones work faster and don't forget diffusion from quality cover scent.Fast diffusion can net you some monster hits with some mixes.

No

First gyms are already full of natural mones. Second an industrial size fan is going to blow your mones and every one else's all over the place. Your scent would just be part of a pheromone soup. It be the equivalent of being outside on a windy day.
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"First gyms are already full of natural mones."People in the gym are already aware about their surrounding signatures.When you walked in they sense a difference in atmosphere that's why they look.Too lazy to/not worth explaining diffusion ,effusion and fluid dynamics and how molecules have momentum in 3d...... whatever floats your boat.

(12-03-2015 2:08 PM)jb20 Wrote:  No

First gyms are already full of natural mones. Second an industrial size fan is going to blow your mones and every one else's all over the place. Your scent would just be part of a pheromone soup. It be the equivalent of being outside on a windy day.

"First gyms are already full of natural mones."People in the gym are already aware about their surrounding signatures.When you walked in they sense a difference in atmosphere that's why they look.Too lazy to/not worth explaining diffusion ,effusion and fluid dynamics and how molecules have momentum in 3d...... whatever floats your boat.
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So you're telling me you go to a gym with 250 people sweating their asses off,all kinds of mones in the air, residuals in the carpet and on the machines. An industrial fan blowing all these different scents and pheromones all over the gym. You walk in and everyone notices you because your pheromone signature overwhelms the mix of 250 people. That just wishful thinking on your part.

lol.I was using mones since 15.I May not be a pua,but hooked up with more than 15 college chicks before using any mones.Age of concent was 14 at that time, so it was legal for women to hook up with a 14 year old teen like me.Lol at people blaming mones for their bad game and ignorance to bodilang.Anyways let's keep this on track.Arguing is a waste of time.

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(12-03-2015 2:40 PM)Blacky Chan Wrote:  "First gyms are already full of natural mones."People in the gym are already aware about their surrounding signatures.When you walked in they sense a difference in atmosphere that's why they look.Too lazy to/not worth explaining diffusion ,effusion and fluid dynamics and how molecules have momentum in 3d...... whatever floats your boat.

So you're telling me you go to a gym with 250 people sweating their asses off,all kinds of mones in the air, residuals in the carpet and on the machines. An industrial fan blowing all these different scents and pheromones all over the gym. You walk in and everyone notices you because your pheromone signature overwhelms the mix of 250 people. That just wishful thinking on your part.
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250?more like 20.People wear shoes and there are bench sanitizers.

Paradox,

I get it. I understand where you are coming from. This thread had the trend of shear novelty. I do not think anyone is running off and saying, "Oh shit, this product will make girls wet around me". In my opinion these are not the threads that get vendors attention. What might appeal to them more is a strong and consistent review thread(which is non-existent here because of the aforementioned).

I think some of the vets could guide the sheep more than they scald the sheep. I.e. refer them to noob threads, educate etc.

And for god sakes can we not argue in threads, I do not want to see that shit, no one else does. Take that up in pm!!!