03-07-2014, 6:48 AM
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03-07-2014, 6:26 PM
(03-07-2014 6:48 AM)COUNSEL Wrote: [ -> ]Has anyone experience with using testosterone as a pheromone or adding it to a mix?
Testosterone Enanthate and testosterone (testosterone base) are very different molecules. Testosterone Enanthate, and other testosterones, have an additional part of the molecule which acts as a timer. The body breaks down the "Enanthate" part of testosterone Enanthate, and over time it turns into Testosterone. The enanthate part functions as a time release mechanism, I think the half life of Testosterone is ~4hours, and the half-life of Testosterone Enanthate is on the order of ~7 days. The time it takes for the human body to break down Enanthate into Testosterone allows for people using it to get shots 1x a week instead of daily, it also allows for stable blood levels to be maintained instead of high peaks and drops in blood levels.
03-10-2014, 1:07 AM
Nobody has used either. Theoretically I think T should work but T Enanthalate should not. Would be very interested in people testing either.
03-10-2014, 9:13 AM
(03-07-2014 6:26 PM)dexter Wrote: [ -> ]Testosterone Enanthate and testosterone (testosterone base) are very different molecules. Testosterone Enanthate, and other testosterones, have an additional part of the molecule which acts as a timer. The body breaks down the "Enanthate" part of testosterone Enanthate, and over time it turns into Testosterone. The enanthate part functions as a time release mechanism, I think the half life of Testosterone is ~4hours, and the half-life of Testosterone Enanthate is on the order of ~7 days. The time it takes for the human body to break down Enanthate into Testosterone allows for people using it to get shots 1x a week instead of daily, it also allows for stable blood levels to be maintained instead of high peaks and drops in blood levels.
I don't think enanthate is going to make a major difference when applied to the skin. The ampule I used is designed for inter-muscular injection.
(03-10-2014 1:07 AM)wiserd Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody has used either. Theoretically I think T should work but T Enanthalate should not. Would be very interested in people testing either.
I have added a 250mg ampule to a bottle of C4. One drop made me feel focused and a little aggressive.
03-10-2014, 11:27 AM
(03-10-2014 9:13 AM)COUNSEL Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think enanthate is going to make a major difference when applied to the skin. The ampule I used is designed for inter-muscular injection.
(03-10-2014 1:07 AM)wiserd Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody has used either. Theoretically I think T should work but T Enanthalate should not. Would be very interested in people testing either.
I have added a 250mg ampule to a bottle of C4. One drop made me feel focused and a little aggressive.
Interesting. Could you test as a single? Also, thats a lot of molecule. Most stuff works in the 30 mcg to .001mcg range.
03-10-2014, 11:31 AM
(03-10-2014 9:13 AM)COUNSEL Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think enanthate is going to make a major difference when applied to the skin. The ampule I used is designed for inter-muscular injection.
(03-10-2014 1:07 AM)wiserd Wrote: [ -> ]Nobody has used either. Theoretically I think T should work but T Enanthalate should not. Would be very interested in people testing either.
I have added a 250mg ampule to a bottle of C4. One drop made me feel focused and a little aggressive.
WTF? 250mg to a 30mL bottle? you realize that 1mg in 30mL gives 5mcg/spray if the sprayer gives 200sprays/30mL. That means 250x5=1,250mcg/spray, if the 2 mix. TestE is usually in cottonseed oil as a carrier, Test Base is usually in water.
And I agree with myself and wizerd. TestE shouldn't have the same effect as Test. Because it isn't Test until the Enanthate is removed and then it becomes active. It will metabolize, but i don't know how fast on the skin.
03-10-2014, 2:58 PM
(03-10-2014 11:31 AM)dexter Wrote: [ -> ]I have added a 250mg ampule to a bottle of C4. One drop made me feel focused and a little aggressive.
WTF? 250mg to a 30mL bottle? you realize that 1mg in 30mL gives 5mcg/spray if the sprayer gives 200sprays/30mL. That means 250x5=1,250mcg/spray, if the 2 mix. TestE is usually in cottonseed oil as a carrier, Test Base is usually in water.
And I agree with myself and wizerd. TestE shouldn't have the same effect as Test. Because it isn't Test until the Enanthate is removed and then it becomes active. It will metabolize, but i don't know how fast on the skin.
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250mg 1ml ampule into a 10ml bottle of C4.
03-10-2014, 3:40 PM
(03-10-2014 2:58 PM)COUNSEL Wrote: [ -> ]WTF? 250mg to a 30mL bottle? you realize that 1mg in 30mL gives 5mcg/spray if the sprayer gives 200sprays/30mL. That means 250x5=1,250mcg/spray, if the 2 mix. TestE is usually in cottonseed oil as a carrier, Test Base is usually in water.
250mg 1ml ampule into a 10ml bottle of C4.
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ok, that makes it all better........ wait? whoa, ......
ok, instead of 30mL it is 10mL, so.... without knowing how you added this is only another estimate.
1mL+10mL=11mL, or removed some C4 and 9ml C4+ 1mL=10mL
if the drop is 1/40th of a mL (40 drops/mL, but not all drops are the same)
then with 10mL there are 40x10=400 drops total.
250mg=250,000mcg
250,000mcg/400drops=625mcg/drop
wow that really went down from 1,250mcg/spray to only 625mcg/drop.
still..... that is huge.
03-10-2014, 4:15 PM
(03-10-2014 3:40 PM)dexter Wrote: [ -> ]250mg 1ml ampule into a 10ml bottle of C4.
ok, that makes it all better........ wait? whoa, ......
ok, instead of 30mL it is 10mL, so.... without knowing how you added this is only another estimate.
1mL+10mL=11mL, or removed some C4 and 9ml C4+ 1mL=10mL
if the drop is 1/40th of a mL (40 drops/mL, but not all drops are the same)
then with 10mL there are 40x10=400 drops total.
250mg=250,000mcg
250,000mcg/400drops=625mcg/drop
wow that really went down from 1,250mcg/spray to only 625mcg/drop.
still..... that is huge.
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I had used around 2ml of C4. I wanted to attempt to make an aggressive overdose/baddest man in the room type product. I also get bored easily and had a number of ampules of testosterone gathering dust
03-10-2014, 4:53 PM
" I wanted to attempt to make an aggressive overdose/baddest man in the room type product."
Go ahead and give that a run. I'd love to hear the results. It'll be more interesting to me than the 101th test on the most recent product whose ingredients we'll never know. What I'm saying is that often times, less is more. Many pheromones have non-monotonic dose response curves, meaning that if you push things too far outside of the expected physiological range with some of this stuff, there's a tendency for a body to interpret the experience as noise rather than a signal. So you may get no response at all, or certain effects may be hidden. But it's possible that T-enanthalate has really poor absorption and the dose you're using is ideal. Who knows? Maybe the high dose counters the low absorption and this hits the nail on the head.
Take that stuff out for a spin in a crowded lecture hall and see if you get a reaction from people 10 or 100 feet away.
I appreciate your testing. I hope you also eventually check what results you get at a 10th, a 100th and 1000th of this dosage as well as a single molecule.
That's all I'm saying.
Go ahead and give that a run. I'd love to hear the results. It'll be more interesting to me than the 101th test on the most recent product whose ingredients we'll never know. What I'm saying is that often times, less is more. Many pheromones have non-monotonic dose response curves, meaning that if you push things too far outside of the expected physiological range with some of this stuff, there's a tendency for a body to interpret the experience as noise rather than a signal. So you may get no response at all, or certain effects may be hidden. But it's possible that T-enanthalate has really poor absorption and the dose you're using is ideal. Who knows? Maybe the high dose counters the low absorption and this hits the nail on the head.
Take that stuff out for a spin in a crowded lecture hall and see if you get a reaction from people 10 or 100 feet away.
I appreciate your testing. I hope you also eventually check what results you get at a 10th, a 100th and 1000th of this dosage as well as a single molecule.
That's all I'm saying.
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