Hi dear friends
Found this gold after looking around in online for awhile. Hope some pheromone veteran here can give me some help despite the countless newbies that have already posted.
A bit about myself, not truly fresh in the pheromone scene. Products used are Beginner's combo consisting of The Edge by Love Scent with Scent of Eros . From AD used IG, Summer Ammo, regular Ammo, Turn Up The Heat, IS, IH, IO, molecule K and P102(last two are free gifts). I have yet to find any working combination and I have tried bombing with IS, IH and IO. ODing and controlling with Turn Up The Heat and Summer/ regular Ammo. Application points wise I followed the AD application points thread to a tee.
However, it seems like none of this is working. No significant self effects other than placebo and none from others. I'm in my mid 20s, Asian(Chinese) descent from South East Asia. Pretty introverted but I'm able to hold myself well in conversations and have frequent exposure to public speaking. Pretty overweight, used to be obese but managed to drop 20 kilos(44 pounds?) but still fat(100kg/220 pounds). No fantastic fashion sense. Always wearing polo tees and jeans(fitting and dark colored respectively if that helps). I'll also make sure that I don't smell before leaving my home with regular shower along with sparse amounts of IS, IO, IH(yes, now I'm using them as cologne).
My targets are Asian women from 20s to early 30s. I've posted in pherotalk, I have followed some advice from kind souls who reached out to me over there but it does not seem to help. Recently, I chanced upon the thread that people are having awesome effects from Aqua Vitae from Love Alchemy and Liquid Trust from True Pheromones and decided that I should give pheromones another try.
Any help from veterans or newbies with some experience is greatly appreciated. This looks like a very big community. I promise to give back once I have succeeded in mastering pheromone usage. Thanks in advance.
Welcome!
First product I thought of when reading that is Exotica from PheromoneXS. Steve designed it specifically for Asian women and of the reviews I have read so far it does its job wonderfully. I personally have a sample of it but Asian women are not of my personal interest.
Personally I have only had practice with PXS products and Androtics products. With this being said I will never buy from Androtics again as PXS are far superior and you will find most if not all users here will not go back to Androtics. I personally would only go back for more Instant Shine and to get a bottle of MX297 to try because that has good reviews.
I love me some BlissXS as a social product from PXS, it doesnt have the opening power that IH or IO has but gives off an aura and makes you feel blissful like the name. Amazing self effects. I have to test this from the sample I have but have read that ConnectionsXS is a good replacement for IO and IH.
Biggest thing for me is these products all work at 1-2 sprays some with 3 but you see results with just one and I never have gone beyond 3 and that was only with Bliss cause I love it.
I have class to attend now but I will come back and reply again with some of my personal favorites you may like!!!
(04-16-2014 10:46 AM)monemyname Wrote: [ -> ]Welcome!
First product I thought of when reading that is Exotica from PheromoneXS. Steve designed it specifically for Asian women and of the reviews I have read so far it does its job wonderfully. I personally have a sample of it but Asian women are not of my personal interest.
Personally I have only had practice with PXS products and Androtics products. With this being said I will never buy from Androtics again as PXS are far superior and you will find most if not all users here will not go back to Androtics. I personally would only go back for more Instant Shine and to get a bottle of MX297 to try because that has good reviews.
I love me some BlissXS as a social product from PXS, it doesnt have the opening power that Instant Honesty or Instant Openness has but gives off an aura and makes you feel blissful like the name. Amazing self effects. I have to test this from the sample I have but have read that ConnectionsXS is a good replacement for Instant Openness and Instant Honesty.
Biggest thing for me is these products all work at 1-2 sprays some with 3 but you see results with just one and I never have gone beyond 3 and that was only with Bliss cause I love it.
I have class to attend now but I will come back and reply again with some of my personal favorites you may like!!!
Thanks a bunch!
Noted, Exotica, BlissXS and ConnectionsXS. Will definitely take a look at them.
Looking forward to your list of favorites!
Not in any way trying to imply any stereotypical thoughts, but in my country, Caucasians have a better chance of hooking up with girls and they can get away with many things that an Asian man cannot. Girls are more willing to listen to them during approaches more often than not give any attention to an Asian man. Thus, I worry that a recommend pheromone might not be as effective on me as on a similar male with a Caucasian descent.
It has also come to my knowledge that Asian men need more -none than Caucasians since we produced less testosterone. I'm not exactly clear with all that science and it all feels to me like decoding some hieroglyphics. Hope you don't mind educating me if you have a more comprehensive knowledge of it.
Another thing I want to ask is whether the use of pheromones need to be complemented with game? Or will normal conversation suffice and "nature" can run its course? This question may sound really stupid so forgive me in advance but I do see some people recommending a particular product and state that solid game is needed to follow through whereas others sound like magic that allows girls to approach on their own accord.
Again, thanks a lot, before you came along, I didn't even know this company exists. Will look into it.
Well to start one of the things I have started to learn from using pheromones is personal self development. To say a specific race has a better chance of hooking up with an another is completely untrue, having that mindset will be displayed in your speech and body language. Take a look at
this thread it should help you fix your mindset with women and understand that you have the ability to be your own man and comfortable and capable in your own skin.
Quick thing a woman doesn't ever reject you, she rejects your approach.
As for natural -none production per race I do not have any knowledge of, but what I can say is I don't care about generalizations because you are different from the guy next to you and the next to that guy. Just because a product is high in one and not in the other don't toss it out with out trying it. I am 19 and have a naturally go pheromone output and some products work fine at one spray others I can wear to three. The same one I wear three of someone else may not be able to wear any. It all comes down to what the products intended objective is and if it does what you want for you.
I have seen the ratio thrown out that when it boils down to it only 10% of an interaction is pheromones. That is not a scientific number at all but it helps demonstrate that these are not magic, you will not have women running up to you trying to fuck you as you stand in a corner of a room expecting them to work. Hence that goes back to my first paragraph and the thread I posted there. Not every product is sexual, some are meant as socials and some as status and some combos do surprising things. My advice feel comfortable enough to be able to get women without pheromones or at least be working towards that before you throw pheromones into the mix. You don't have to be a PUA or get laid every other day but be comfortable as yourself and don't expect these get you laid. Pheromones are more sub-conscious steering, they plant the idea but if your actions are not congruent with what is being said by your pheromone signature then what they feel sub-consciously will never come to a conscious state. If you wear a highly sexual product such as Evolve but you are trying to be her best friend your gonna get ghosted or ignored. She smells you and at a primal level thinks along the lines of hey he would be a good mate but then you go and be submissive your not being congruent. So simply yes game is needed you need to put the effort in these just help plant the seed of the idea making your job easier but you still have a job to do. You will see a lot more hits with a lot less work with PXS products IMO, at least I did after switching from androtics but none of them have got me laid solely on their own. Some do a way better job of getting hits than others but none are magic.
As for personal favorites I love SOB. The self effects really promote outgoing behavior. Naturally I am an introvert I am working on becoming more extroverted and SOB forces that in a good way. As with women you will get shit tests they will see if you really are that SOB your signature says and if you pass it builds attraction and fast, you defiantly need to be able to deal with shit tests on the fly for this. Its a really powerful pheromone and defiantly my number one or two right next to Bliss.
Cohesion is a powerful comforting mix with sexual aspects to it and I love in combo with other products.
XiST is a slow hitter but I see the value in it. Its a hard one to explain some people say its a reset product, I think of it more as an imprinting one it makes the girl think of you, somewhere I read that it was originally called Instant Boyfriend or something of that nature when Dancing Joker sent it to Steve. Its very powerful especially in combo. Tonight I am actually going to run a popular combo of XiST and Love Boat.
There are alot of products out there for sure as your going for Asian women I would say defiantly get Exotica as from what I have read it is phenomenal with Asian women and doubles as a status/sexual product. Also Bliss or Connections depending on what you like for a social.
I would recommend calling in and talking with Steve, he is a great guy who provides excellent customer service and can help you with any specific details about products. I actually have spent an hour talking to him about different products and chatting about them.
If you have more questions feel free to ask!!
Thanks for the response!
Now I know where SteveO went, he finally set up his own company!
There seem to be a lot of resentment against AD in discoverXS forum. Is AD really that horrible? I found their customer service pretty friendly and they even sent me 30ml bottles of IH and IO(two of their most expensive instant range products) because they screwed up something in my order. Just that the ordering process and communication needs to be improved.
Thanks for recommending that thread, I was there yesterday before posting and have downloaded the good stuff by the kindness of as33156. "Listening" to the tracks now and will read the book later. I've had experience with the Mystery Method(non-existent now?) and followed some other advice from the some mPUA(wonder if you still call them that these days). I got my last girlfriend with the methods but ever since I've returned to the perpetual state of Average Frustrated Chump, no "techniques", "inner-game/total transformation" training ever worked on me anymore since then. Not whining or ranting but maybe someone here can tell me why this has happened.
That being said, conversing with girls are not too tough for me, but flirting has become very very difficult. Of course I understand that it takes effort and I will not even remotely suggest your highly exaggerated scenario. I'm looking for a product that can act as a catalyst. You mentioned Exotica thus I will seriously look into trying it out. SOB looks like IJ at AD, thinking whether it's possible that I can pull that off.
Unfortunately, racial differences do indeed exist. I've grown up here, traveled to neighboring countries and to the western ones. Caucasians do get better service, stares, Asian girls flocking to them in clubs, friendly smiles and Deer in the headlights stares in most South East Asian countries. Don't believe me? I believe you're a Caucasian, try traveling to someplace cheap in expenses, maybe Thailand or Indonesia, I assure you that you will be treated like a king over there(even when you're broke). Clubs, bars, massage parlors, food stands, you name it. People rush to talk to you and find out about you. You mentioned that these thoughts might affect me physiologically, yeap, I agree and there is a high possibility that this is happening and I appreciate you pointing that out to me.
I'm not looking to get laid due to my personal beliefs and just hope to obtain a good relationship without needing to settle for someone because she is available to give me companionship.
Thanks for all your help! Your personal favorites has also helped me in my choice. Maybe I'll start off with Exotica, Connections and Bliss as you've mentioned. Just another question, in places like conferences, colleges, offices, churches and the likes of these, what kind of mix should I be looking at with these products if I'm looking to meet girls?
Oh boy, I've read your experience and situations.
There def. exists chemistry between people and you can use a product and attract some women, but it wouldn't last as soon as you stop putting mones.
From your writing, I know you realize some points that you can progress: making conversation for people around you, losing some weight, brushing up for your fashion style etc etc.
I guess you acknowledged blatant effect or OD behavior with Turn Up The Heat. For me IS was just orange smelled water. I don't know about IH and IO. But it's certain that there are some reasons why people are leaving AD.
I would rather recommend self-effect products that make you chatty, feel comfortable and awsome, boost your status and so on. There are many products which can serve you to improve your awesomeness. Spend some time on this forum and find what you actually need.
What country are you in? I will recommend these 3 products from apex pheromones - Core, Imprint, and Dionysos I'll go more into detail later but apex pheromones is on the rise. Mark my words these are some next gen mone products and you won't regret getting them, apex is going to be a game changer in the mones world in the long run. The success I've had with these has pretty much made me stop buying from other vendors, most people can tell you how good core is among other things, just my 2c.
(04-16-2014 11:58 PM)harry.h.lee Wrote: [ -> ]Oh boy, I've read your experience and situations.
There def. exists chemistry between people and you can use a product and attract some women, but it wouldn't last as soon as you stop putting mones.
From your writing, I know you realize some points that you can progress: making conversation for people around you, losing some weight, brushing up for your fashion style etc etc.
I guess you acknowledged blatant effect or OD behavior with Turn Up The Heat. For me IS was just orange smelled water. I don't know about Instant Honesty and Instant Openness. But it's certain that there are some reasons why people are leaving AD.
I would rather recommend self-effect products that make you chatty, feel comfortable and awsome, boost your status and so on. There are many products which can serve you to improve your awesomeness. Spend some time on this forum and find what you actually need.
Thanks for the response!
Hope to clarify that I've tried Turn Up The Heat, OD or without, no matter the applications didn't have any effects on me or on others. All it does is made me self-conscious of the strong smell from these products(Ammo and Summer Ammo as well). I agree with the orange-smelling water part, yes the smell is actually quite good, lots of users commenting that the smell is worth the price alone but I won't agree, I can get a better smelling product with no pheromones at a fraction of the price.
Do you have any products that you can recommend with strong self effects? If possible, perhaps the effects that are claimed by users of IG or A314 from AD. Which product do you frequently use to have good self effects?
(04-17-2014 8:46 AM)ryusei Wrote: [ -> ]What country are you in? I will recommend these 3 products from apex pheromones - Core, Imprint, and Dionysos I'll go more into detail later but apex pheromones is on the rise. Mark my words these are some next gen mone products and you won't regret getting them, apex is going to be a game changer in the mones world in the long run. The success I've had with these has pretty much made me stop buying from other vendors, most people can tell you how good core is among other things, just my 2c.
Hi
I'm from Singapore, the weather here is usually hot and humid and has plenty of rainfall throughout the year. I believe oil pheromones should be better in my case but all I've tried are spray pheromones.
Thanks for the recommendation, I will take a look at them, do you mind describing what have they done for you? You seemed pretty excited about these products. Do you get Deer in the headlights very often and such?
I have a thread in the apex pheromones section, Dionysos review you can read that and see what you think.