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WOW ...

is that what was known under Andro back in the days ?

Pago

(09-10-2012 11:06 PM)Pagodeiro Wrote: [ -> ]WOW ...

is that what was known under Andro back in the days ?

Pago

I believe so Pago, here another one for you.
http://www.bodybuilding-supplements-for-...ol-250.htm

If it´s what i think then it is what was supposed to have been in many mone mixes back in the days ....

Thanks Kmacc !!

Pago

Awesome once again, Kmacc!

We might be on to something Pago but I do believe the Ingredient that was commonly available was Androstenedione. Let's cross our fingers and see if this does something amazing!

Great research guys. I think you are on to something with this molecule.

It was known as 4 AD back in the day. I used to add it to 1-test (1 AD) and take it transdermally. The 1 test burned like crazy for hours.

Self effects of straight 4 AD not cut with 1-T were amazing. Was like walking through a brick wall. Very aggressive and cocky feeling even at low doses. I was using Isopropyl as the base alcohol to apply it topically so an ethanol spray base should act very similar. The difference here is that I used DMSO as the main penetrant for the transdermal brews (among other ingredients.) Fixing the solution with something like dpg may fix/bind it well enough to keep it riding on the skin surface rather than shuttle into cells.

I would like to elaborate a bit further but Im pretty beat tonight. Long day.

Keep up the good work.

I never throw away any experiment! Hahahahaha. I should join some form of scientific hoarders club.

A bit over 10 yrs old and about half full and she still burns like hell. I tried 2 sprays. Yup, still effective. That white crusty stuff on the bottle are mones, Both 1-Test and 4-AD. Gonna scrape some off and dissolve into some etoh. Will fix it with some dpg at 10%.

Lets see if 1-test and 4-AD combined have any pheromone abilities.

(09-11-2012 8:44 PM)thundr Wrote: [ -> ]

I never throw away any experiment! Hahahahaha. I should join some form of scientific hoarders club.

A bit over 10 yrs old and about half full and she still burns like hell. I tried 2 sprays. Yup, still effective. That white crusty stuff on the bottle are mones, Both 1-Test and 4-AD. Gonna scrape some off and dissolve into some etoh. Will fix it with some dpg at 10%.

Lets see if 1-test and 4-AD combined have any pheromone abilities.

Did two 15 mcg sprays today (8% DPG) today while I was working. Felted like none, think I did to much cause now I have a headache now.
I crash after three hour after application.

Good report. None headaches hurt. Been through a few of those with some New Pheromone Additive accidents. I guess we should start at lower than 30 mcg now. It sucks that you had to take one to the head for science but fortunately now we have a rough starting point.

My results will be in the realm of 1-AD + 4-AD testing as I have no way of isolating either molecule from each other. Im counting on basing my results in conjunction with the 4-AD results to hopefully discover what 1-AD adds or subtracts to the mix.

I managed to procure about 1.5 mg of the 1AD and 4AD scrapings. They are in the swim now dissolving.

mol wt 4-AD 290 g/mol
mol wt none 272 g/mol
mol wt 1-AD 288 g/mol