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Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - moe - 03-05-2015 7:07 AM
Scientists from the universities of Sydney and Ratisbone have found that oxytocin suppresses the troubles linked to the excess consumption of alcohol, namely body coordination troubles.
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/02/17/1416900112
Anyone who have tried blends with Oxytocin have found the same?
M.
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - stefdude - 03-05-2015 7:27 AM
Can oxytocin even work as a pheromone?I remember Chris saying that he is certain it can't work.You can't get it diffused in the air with any carrier, it's a heavy molecule.
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - kimosabe - 03-06-2015 6:32 AM
Is someone willing to apply some Liquid Trust or standalone oxytocin under their nostrils, get drunk and test the claim?
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - Vogar Eol - 03-09-2015 6:25 PM
Personally, I think it would work as a pheromone. Makes me wish I still had access to pure Oxytocin for testing. I remember being able to smell it, so I'm fairly sure it carries. Heavy molecule or not, even sand can go airborn sometimes.
Anyone know a good source? This stuff needs to be kept cold or it degrades pretty quickly.
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - kimosabe - 03-09-2015 7:38 PM
Pheromone Treasures sell oxytocin in your choice of carriers. Best to PM bonadzz to ask if refrigeration is required (I doubt so since mones are sent via mail.)
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - Vogar Eol - 03-09-2015 9:18 PM
Basically it's like this... A lot of hormones and similar molecules break down over time for a lot of reasons. Epinephrine aka Adrenaline, won't last even a year unless refrigeratated. To test this out we picked a volunteer and injected him with some that hadn't been refrigerated for over a year. We then monitored his heart rate. There was no spike what-so-ever that we could measure. The Epi was fully denatured.
So I'm not really talking about if the 'mone mixer says the Oxytocin needs refrigeration or not. I know this specific molecule does. I've seen how much strength it loses from not being stored properly.
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - dexter - 03-10-2015 5:18 PM
Oxytocin is a human pheromone. It is one of the big ones that had clinical data and testing with medical/scientific papers written on it long before the internet forums were in swing. Careful around pregnant women tho- may cause contractions just by smelling it, not to mention that pregnant women seem to have a heightened sense of smell. Don't ask me how I know, but washing it off makes the contractions stop.
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - Vogar Eol - 03-11-2015 2:45 AM
We know from charts Wiserd found that Oxytocin lasts between 6 months to 3 years, depending on pH of the mixture and temperature of storage. Places that use it frequently often store it refrigerated.
Personally I think the rumors that smelling Oxytocin can induce labor are BS. Every time a women has sex, she produces some. Same with hugs and fondling of nipples. If pregnant sex isn't a huge abortion risk, then a few heavy molecules in the air shouldn't be insanely stronger. Oxytocin is why sex is so hormonely bonding.
Paramedics using it to control postpartum bleeding use from .3 to 1ml injected Intramuscular, or they put 1 to 2ml into a 1000ml of saline and give by IV. When doctors use it to actually induce, they put 30ml into 500ml of saline via IV. Dairy farmers routinely handle Oxytocin daily, and this includes their wives. I've never heard of a single pregnant farmer having issues with handling it. I can also say the smell of it doesn't cause cows to release milk, but intramuscular injection worked within a minute or two. All these uses certainly don't point towards it being particularly dangerous.
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - gounot - 03-11-2015 4:13 PM
Liquid Alchemy and True Pheromones sell it as a single. TP offers it in alcohol, dpg and powder form. I imagine powdered could be the most stable form? Could be wrong..
any chemists here w/ applicable insights?
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - dexter - 03-17-2015 11:32 AM
(03-11-2015 2:45 AM)Vogar Eol Wrote: Personally I think the rumors that smelling Oxytocin can induce labor are BS. Every time a women has sex, she produces some. Same with hugs and fondling of nipples. If pregnant sex isn't a huge abortion risk, then a few heavy molecules in the air shouldn't be insanely stronger. Oxytocin is why sex is so hormonely bonding.
My wife is a labor and delivery nurse for the past decade. They definitely use oxytocin in the hospital to induce labor. And for patients who want to go into labor they do suggest sex for the expectant mother, as a labor inducing activity, also walking laps around the maternity ward (walking has not oxytocin involved, just gravity). The correlation between oxytocin and sex and labor is there.
As for smelling oxytocin, I have witnessed it first hand, and the contractions were real. It wasn't labor, and it wasn't time to deliver. It was very very early, and the contractions were very real, coming on suddenly, and intense (or so I'm told).
A few weeks ago I posted on oxytocin as a therapy drug for couples therapy. Smelling oxytocin made for much nicer arguing. Another link to work done by Flores with the H-P-A Axis (Hypothalumus-Pituitary-Adrenal sp?) was that Oxytocin in a pill form was essentially the drug Extacy (MDMA). But the repercussions of using extacy as a relationship bond building therapy had repurcussions due to the side effects of the drug.
I will try to dig up the scientific papers on oxytocin as a pheromone.
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - Jolly Jumper - 03-22-2015 11:41 AM
I have some friends who lead somewhat, let's say experimental lives, and one of them said he recently snorted oxytocin. He's one to be familiar with cocaine and amphetamine but said that this shit he wouldn't be going near again. Not that the effects were unpleasant but he thought it would be easy to get really hooked on.
Not by any means promoting drug use here, I don't do any myself. Just thought it was peculiar that oxytocin also can be abused in this way.
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - dexter - 03-23-2015 7:25 PM
(03-22-2015 11:41 AM)Jolly Jumper Wrote: I have some friends who lead somewhat, let's say experimental lives, and one of them said he recently snorted oxytocin. He's one to be familiar with cocaine and amphetamine but said that this shit he wouldn't be going near again. Not that the effects were unpleasant but he thought it would be easy to get really hooked on.
Not by any means promoting drug use here, I don't do any myself. Just thought it was peculiar that oxytocin also can be abused in this way.
Like I said... from the research side... "does oxytocin come in a pill? Yes, extacy."
http://www.santecenter.com/files/Flores_Addiction_as_an_Attachment_Disorder-Part_1.pdf
ok the link is good but something gets messed up when you click it.
the letters "%E2%80%8B" appear in the web address.
the link should be "http://www.santecenter.com" then "/files/Flores_Addiction_as_an_Attachment_Disorder-Part_1.pdf"
Quote:page 44 of 46
HIGHER THE OXYTOCIN, THE HIGHER THE BONDING & MONOGAMY LARRY YOUNG, PhD
•Natural childbirth + breast feeding produces a huge oxytocin release.
•Oxytocin given to human subjects produces nurturing behavior & increased trust.
•Oxytocin decreases the stress response & counteracts the emotional rollercoaster effects of dopamine.
•Higher levels helps the brain pay closer attention to social information.
•Increased skills at picking up facial cues leads to more satisfaction & less conflict in relationships.
•Increased reward in relationships leads to greater opportunity for endogenous opioid release.
page 45 of 46
“CAN YOU GET OXYTOCIN IN A PILL FORM?” AN ADDICT EARLY IN TREATMENT
•YES, IT’S CALLED ECSTASY!
– (“MOLLY”)
•WILLIAMS SYNDROME & THE GREGARIOUS BRAIN.
•TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING
•TOO MUCH TRUST
•INDISCRIMINANT FRIENDLINESS
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - moe - 03-24-2015 3:05 AM
hi Dexter
I get a 404 - Category not found when following the instructions
Quote:the link should be "http://www.santecenter.com" then "/files/Flores_Addiction_as_an_Attachment_Disorder-Part_1.pdf"
M.
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - Vogar Eol - 03-29-2015 8:37 PM
Just for the record, 3,4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine is not Oxytocin. That person didn't mean it literally.
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - dexter - 03-30-2015 4:57 PM
(03-24-2015 3:05 AM)moe Wrote: hi Dexter
I get a 404 - Category not found when following the instructions
M.
when you get the 404, look at the URL, you will see that it is messed up. erase the dumb characters that somehow get inserted and it will work the 2nd time. i really don't know why, but the info was nice.
dexter
(03-29-2015 8:37 PM)Vogar Eol Wrote: Just for the record, 3,4-methylenedioxy-methamphetamine is not Oxytocin. That person didn't mean it literally.
true,
I think they meant that there is a physiological reaction that causes a large increase of endogenous Oxytocin. Thus "Oxytocin in pill form" while not "a pill containing Oxytocin".
RE: Oxytocin blocks alcohol effects - moe - 03-31-2015 3:00 AM
The thing is that there are no dumb characters :S
The URL that I have on the address bar seems correct:
http://www.santecenter.com/files/Flores_Addiction_as_an_Attachment_Disorder-Part_1.pdf
Hmm I get what happened. There was no visible bad characters on the address bar but as I copied the link to past it here, it changed to the messed url. I deleted the characters here in the editor and past it back in the browser and it worked
M.