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Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - kimosabe - 06-11-2015 9:23 PM
This topic seems to come up every now and then. I'm going to lay things out as simply as possible in as straightforward a manner that's appropriate.
Not myself, this forum, nor anyone else can dictate what you think, how you feel, your morals or ethics. With that being said, you need to ascertain your own personal moral principles and behave congruently with them, whether wearing mones or otherwise. No one can tell you what's right and wrong for you and you'll have to decide that yourself.
In the same way, others have to decide what's right and wrong for themselves based on their own personal moral principles, and it is none of your business telling them what they should or should not be doing based on YOUR internal compass. Not unless their behaviour is grossly destructive and causes harm to others.
If you're against the idea of wearing perfume, cologne, makeup, a snazzy outfit and/or accessories such as expensive(-looking) watches and shoes, or even driving a flashy car to elevate your attractiveness, then look elsewhere. Synthetic pheromone products are not for you.
Let's get this straight up front - mones are NOT roofies. A potential partner is NOT going to fall into your arms expecting to be primitively ravaged upon meeting you for the first time and getting a good whiff of your pheromonal signature.
Not unless they're drunk or high. In which case, their behavior is likely the result of the effects of booze or drugs, (mostly) not your pheromonal signature.
In the same way that make-up, perfumes and snazzy outfits help to accentuate and highlight certain aspects of you, pheromones, when used appropriately by its wearer, can assist to amplify and highlight certain aspects of you that you wish to portray.
Be it your sexuality, leadership qualities, socialness, compassion, etc. Mones can assist you to heighten these facets of yourself through self effects, and highlight the same through the mones' effects on others.
Your life, you decide. Their lives, they decide. And they reap what they sow. As do you.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - zingers - 06-14-2015 11:23 PM
This was posted in response to the closed thread I started a few days ago. While you certainly can't impose morality on a group of people who believe otherwise, it was an experience that led myself and many others (thanks to those who messaged me to support what I was trying to say after the thread was closed) how dependent some people are on their pheromones. A certain cohort, in which I belong to, are simply entertaining ourselves with the wonders of pheromones. Another cohort, however may lash out irrationally at those who question their choice - to me that says an unhealthy addiction. Live and let live couldn't ring truer in this case.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - phero hacker - 06-15-2015 12:54 AM
The fact that you use pheromones has nothing to do with your morals.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Paradox - 06-15-2015 7:41 AM
Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are good or right and those that are bad or wrong. Morality can be a body of standards or principles derived from a code of conduct from a particular philosophy, religion, or culture, or it can derive from a standard that a person believes should be universal. Morality may also be specifically synonymous with "goodness" or "rightness."
Moral philosophy includes moral ontology, or the origin of morals, as well as moral epistemology, or what is known about morals. Different systems of expressing morality have been proposed, including deontological ethical systems which adhere to a set of established rules, and normative ethical systems which consider the merits of actions themselves. An example of normative ethical philosophy is the Golden Rule which states that, "One should treat others as one would like others to treat oneself." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality
What is right or wrong varies from person to person.
Pheromone enthusiasts defend their position by citing women's use of makeup, hair coloring, perfume, wigs, fake eyelashes, color contact lenses, push up bras and all of the other tools that women use to appear attractive.
Perfumery, or the art of making perfumes, began in ancient Mesopotamia and Egypt, and was further refined by the Romans and Persians.
The world's first-recorded chemist is considered to be a woman named Tapputi, a perfume maker who was mentioned in a cuneiform tablet from the 2nd millennium BC in Mesopotamia. She distilled flowers, oil, and calamus with other aromatics, then filtered and put them back in the still several times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfume
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - DWR - 06-15-2015 1:04 PM
(06-14-2015 11:23 PM)zingers Wrote: This was posted in response to the closed thread I started a few days ago. While you certainly can't impose morality on a group of people who believe otherwise, it was an experience that led myself and many others (thanks to those who messaged me to support what I was trying to say after the thread was closed) how dependent some people are on their pheromones. A certain cohort, in which I belong to, are simply entertaining ourselves with the wonders of pheromones. Another cohort, however may lash out irrationally at those who question their choice - to me that says an unhealthy addiction. Live and let live couldn't ring truer in this case.
I'm sorry but there is no aspect of pheromones that is "immoral". These are naturally occurring molecules that appear in different ratio's and combinations based on a persons biological chemistry. Those who use a synthetic variant for self improvement are simply looking for an edge. No different then education, exercise, social networking or another alternative methodology.
A persons action or intent may be viewed as immoral not the tools they use to achieve that intent.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - HappyGoSkillfully - 06-15-2015 2:23 PM
Cmon zings,
Is taking vitamins immoral?
Is using moisturizer for your skin immoral?
What about sunscreen because you don't want your skin to prematurely age?
Heck, working out and turning flab into muscle must be immoral too?
Using cologne/perfume has already been touched on, but clearly immoral as well?
Now...kissing someone! That immediately changes their body chemistry!! Must be immoral?
Check please
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - kimosabe - 06-15-2015 7:06 PM
Zingers, everything you spoke of in the other thread, people already do WITHOUT synthetic pheromones. Social manipulation, getting ahead of the pack, etc.
Just because someone sprays some mones onto themselves doesn't mean that they are automatically going to turn into Don Juan. That's just giving mones too much credit, which is what all of us as n00bs thought of mones as before we got started. Blame/credit to a certain Ocean's 13 movie.
If a person was a manipulative shit-stirrer before mones, you can bet they will still be a manipulative shit-stirrer AFTER mones, just more so.
As for the issue of hiding vs. being open about mones, imagine meeting a woman for the first date and, after awhile, telling her honestly that you've slept with nearly 100 women. Chances are that you'll never see her again.
The converse is also true in that if you ask a woman how many men she has slept with, she'll likely say "only my ex-bfs" when in fact she has slept with quite a number of other guys but those experiences "didn't count."
At the end of the day, what truly matters? Are you happy being with her? Is she happy being with you? Are the two of you building constructively towards something even better than what is? Yes? Then, who the heck gives a flying fig about how many sexual experiences each partner has had?
There are too many people with too many preferences and too many characteristics to say absolutely that "this is right" or "this is wrong" for everybody. That's why the saying "would you rather be right or be happy?" rings true.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Cornfed - 06-15-2015 7:12 PM
(06-15-2015 7:06 PM)kimosabe Wrote: Just because someone sprays some mones onto themselves doesn't mean that they are automatically going to turn into Don Juan.
Funny you should mention this, because I always liked the Depp movie "Don Juan DeMarco" where Depp's character believes he is Don Juan ... and going back and rewatching it, the opening credits are over top of a scene of him getting prepared to go out. It shows him applying a "cologne" of some sort to his wrists, right before going out to a restaurant and picking up a woman who he immediately has sex with. Watching this movie again since I've started using mones made me LOL about this big time, though I had never given it a thought before.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - kimosabe - 06-15-2015 7:19 PM
(06-15-2015 7:12 PM)Cornfed Wrote: Funny you should mention this, because I always liked the Depp movie "Don Juan DeMarco" where Depp's character believes he is Don Juan ... and going back and rewatching it, the opening credits are over top of a scene of him getting prepared to go out. It shows him applying a "cologne" of some sort to his wrists, right before going out to a restaurant and picking up a woman who he immediately has sex with. Watching this movie again since I've started using mones made me LOL about this big time, though I had never given it a thought before.
Yeah, see? That right there is why there's such a HUGE misconception attached to mones.
Hollywood. Should call it holey-(as in full of holes)-wood.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - zingers - 06-16-2015 3:13 AM
Interesting responses.
Most of the things comparable to using pheromones to - be it a nice suit, car, makeup, cologne, education, etc - these are not as underhanded/less than honest as pheromones are. An example such as a woman wearing a push-up bra comes to mind, as something that enhances your image with the easiness of putting a stop to it altogether. It's something that people would snicker about, if one were to be found out.
Do your significant others know that you are a pheromone user? Is it something that you are willing to share with the right person or something that you are willing to keep it under the cover for as long as you can?
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - phero hacker - 06-16-2015 4:19 AM
Did you come to this forum with honest intentions and they changed when you saw their light? Or did you come here with an agenda? What do you hope to achieve zingers, why don't you go to a cooking forum and tell them they should stop putting butter in their food or they will get fat, just be sure and ask them for a few recipes first.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - kimosabe - 06-16-2015 4:31 AM
(06-16-2015 3:13 AM)zingers Wrote: ...
Most of the things comparable to using pheromones to - be it a nice suit, car, makeup, cologne, education, etc - these are not as underhanded/less than honest as pheromones are... It's something that people would snicker about, if one were to be found out.
Do your significant others know that you are a pheromone user? ...
It's obvious you've either not read my reply or failed to understand what's in it.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - moe - 06-16-2015 5:45 AM
Part of my mone collection is in my bathroom, in the open light for my gf to see. We discussed mones when I got my samples from love potion and told her that some of those vials have mones. Since then I have been leaving bottles out of my mone bag, resting amongst my perfumes. You may or may not opt to tell people, what difference does it make? You don't tell other people that you wear cologne, or that you had a plastic surgery or that you wear a wig.
This polemic is groundless..
M.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Cornfed - 06-16-2015 5:53 AM
One of the girls I've been seeing, I gave some Love Potion scents to and discussed that I had a few with mones in them. I have shared some samples with friends, and even picked up some for my bisexual best friend to help her with women. It's not something that has to be kept secret.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - kimosabe - 06-16-2015 6:00 AM
For the record, and I believe I've stated this elsewhere in the forum, Mom knows that I use mones. I get her to occasionally take a good whiff out of the bottle or on my skin and give me her thoughts on the scent package.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Pheroman - 06-16-2015 6:42 AM
Is it moral and ethical to use a Lamborghini or a fancy yacht that make girls ask or beg you to take them for a drive?
Is it moral or ethical that girls use shit loads or makeup, botox and other medical procedures to lure a man into buying her a ring?
A fake boobs ethical or moral because they make you just stare at them?
WTF is moral or ethical anyway?
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - mark-in-dallas - 06-16-2015 7:18 AM
Okay, lets settle this! There is nothing that anyone can buy or make that is immoral or unethical because inanimate objects are not conscious entities. The morality and/or ethics behind pheromone use is in the person wearing them, and if the intent is unethical or immoral the pheromones are probably just a small factor in a pattern of immoral or unethical behavior.
And, unlike most things we buy or do to improve ourselves and our standing in society, pheromones are something we produce naturally but wash away due to our unnatural personal hygiene standards. So, a more appropriate question may be: Is it immoral or unethical to wash away chemo-sensory signals that nature intended us to have?
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Gitmo - 06-16-2015 8:59 AM
Let's go through a little thought exercise here. I understand where people are coming from when they think mones are unethical, because it wasn't until recently that I started reading up on them and understanding their limitations. It's uncomfortable, dealing with the idea that there might be something you can't consciously perceive that is influencing how you feel about a person, and that someone might be able to control that through chemical means. However, we all know that mones aren't some magic airborne roofie in a bottle, it's just amplifying or modifying your natural signature.
Now here's what I'm thinking. Do chronic illnesses effect your natural mone production? I've seen someone claim so in this forum, never seen a study about it but it stands to reason that it does. I have End Stage Renal Disease. It's hard, practically impossible to tell if I'm wearing clothes, but I'm a not a healthy guy. Am I putting off a sub-conscious cloud that says "SICK MAN POOR FATHER MATERIAL STAY AWAY" that is just repelling women? Sometimes it feels that way. Do I deserve to at least try to live a normal life? I'll bet if you ask women if they would be willing to date someone with a chronic but not terminal illness, they would say yes, but is there something they're not even aware of that is preventing them from feeling that initial attraction in the first place? I don't know, but maybe it's worth a shot.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Khan Solo - 06-16-2015 1:52 PM
(06-16-2015 7:18 AM)mark-in-dallas Wrote: And, unlike most things we buy or do to improve ourselves and our standing in society, pheromones are something we produce naturally but wash away due to our unnatural personal hygiene standards. So, a more appropriate question may be: Is it immoral or unethical to wash away chemo-sensory signals that nature intended us to have?
Indeed Nature doesn't know about morality, only knows about purpose.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - zingers - 06-17-2015 1:04 AM
phero hacker: I'm just going to ignore what you said.
kimosabe: I have read and understod your point perfectly. Having said that, the power in withholding information may not always be possible on a long enough time line.
To those of you who's sharing your pheromone usage openly with others, I admire your sense of transparency. I am unsure if I would share it with anyone, perhaps when I am all said and done with it, I may vouch for its effectiveness in a passive conversation.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - phero hacker - 06-17-2015 2:22 AM
Maybe I've judged you wronly/harshly, If so my humblest apologies.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - kimosabe - 06-17-2015 3:41 AM
Zingers, at the end of the day, you need to decide what's right and wrong for you by yourself. As do others for themselves by themselves.
Btw, just so that there's no confusion, I'm pretty sure most of us here don't feel naked when going out without mones. Those of us who use mones more regularly do so because it helps in some way or another.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Pheroman - 06-17-2015 7:51 AM
As for pheromones I can assure you that if there isnt any attraction it wont happen.
If your in the friend zone as you asked her out a few time and refused or said "only friends" it will take much attitude to go with the mones and still little chance.
If you have beta tendencies and are too nice, unless she really likes you and like passive guys, you aint got much chance. If you are really beta...less than none.
And even if one slips through, it wont last long.
Most people even with mones, will be just considered nicer orbiters.
Thats what no manufacturer of mones will EVER tell you.
But in whatever case, the do lubricate social and sexual situations.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - theLaw - 06-17-2015 8:40 AM
Congruence, Congruence, Congruence!!!
Behavior (including optics) and Social Context play a huge role in each and every interaction, but some guys just don't get it.
Let's just look at it from an pure optics standpoint:
I picked up a passenger recently who was east-Indian with a very strong accent who talked so fast it would have been a challenge to understand him if he spoke perfect English. Although this guy was aggressive (motivated/fearless), he clearly had a bunch of issues cock-blocking him at every turn. He had everything else; great style, good-looking, and resources.
Now, if this guy posted on the forum and said "xyz mix doesn't work" without giving all of the context and behavioral info, then we're all shooting in the dark. This is a simple problem of social intelligence; most guys can't see what's blocking their path to success, and they don't realize that using mones is completely negated by larger issues.
They also don't realize that lack of confidence destroys any mone effect whatsoever; leaving them in a fear-based limbo.
Just my $.02
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - DWR - 06-17-2015 8:53 AM
(06-17-2015 1:04 AM)zingers Wrote: phero hacker: I'm just going to ignore what you said.
kimosabe: I have read and understod your point perfectly. Having said that, the power in withholding information may not always be possible on a long enough time line.
To those of you who's sharing your pheromone usage openly with others, I admire your sense of transparency. I am unsure if I would share it with anyone, perhaps when I am all said and done with it, I may vouch for its effectiveness in a passive conversation.
I've reached a point where it's clear to me that your operating under a significant set of misconceptions with regard to the realities of the world we live in.
Our lives are significantly effected by the combination of two random events completely beyond our control. The hand we are dealt and the and we are dealt into.
Some of use are blessed with a rare combination of looks, brains and drive while others are born into families with wealth, status, character and strong moral fiber.
A random few are blessed with both while an unfortunate number get neither. Yet from the most humble beginnings greatness can and does emerge...how? Why?
Simply put there will always be those who refuse to accept the lot the fate bestowed on them. It is impossible to change the trajectory of one's life by simply spritzing on a few synthetic molecules. In fact those who labor under that misguided belief are the ones who come here, purchase a product and then complain the loudest.
The real power of pheromones is not in what effect they have on others but in fostering a deep seated belief that change is possible. In the end that small but verifiable shift in how your perceived by others often allows one to actually belief in themselves and that is the most significant hurdle to overcome for all of us.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - zingers - 06-18-2015 4:09 AM
phero hacker: no problem at all my friend.
kimosabe: I agree with those reiterated points. As I have reiterated myself many times, I am a new user and have become fascinated by the potential of these pheromones. While some may tout I may lack "confidence" or "conviction" in using them, I am trying to figure it all out, especially on the topic of their prolonged usage and dependence.
DWR: Throughout the peppered verbose statements are you saying that the real power in pheromones is providing a glimpse of hope for those who are otherwise lacking in the said departments? I'm happy that pheromones have had such a significant impact on your desire to change who you are.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - DWR - 06-18-2015 12:02 PM
DWR: Throughout the peppered verbose statements are you saying that the real power in pheromones is providing a glimpse of hope for those who are otherwise lacking in the said departments? I'm happy that pheromones have had such a significant impact on your desire to change who you are.
LOL
You really are clueless aren't you, it would be a waste of bandwidth to continue a dialogue with you.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Paradox - 06-18-2015 12:29 PM
(06-17-2015 3:41 AM)kimosabe Wrote: Zingers, at the end of the day, you need to decide what's right and wrong for you by yourself. As do others for themselves by themselves.
This thread has become a dead horse. No one has added anything new or any new perspectives on the argument on either side.
Like I said earlier and Kimosabe said again, the OP has to decide if using pheromones is right or wrong.
Pheromones are becoming socially acceptable as they are in two widely distributed products Dial Magnetic and Realm cologne.
But again we are resurrecting this old topic with nothing new to add.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - zingers - 06-18-2015 3:49 PM
I suppose some of us can't help but to resort to ad hominem. Please allow me to personally hand deliver a dozen of long-stemmed roses to DWR where he is currently recuperating at the hospital from broken feet via stomping on the ground the moment he saw my reply and took it absurdly too personally. With presumable huffing and puffing in the background as he decided to "neg my rep". "lol", indeed. I sincerely wish you the best with what you are currently working towards with the use of pheromones.
Thank you to those who brought articulate and legitimate points to the point of discussion. Also for your patience in having to deal with this recurring theme.
Cheers
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Pheroman - 06-18-2015 7:27 PM
(06-18-2015 12:29 PM)Paradox Wrote: Pheromones are becoming socially acceptable as they are in two widely distributed products Dial Magnetic and Realm cologne.Coco used cats piss in her perfumes.... *real* cat piss. Not sure if it was male or female cat piss though.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - kimosabe - 06-18-2015 9:30 PM
Alright, let's put this one to bed once and for all.
There are many who are of the opinion that ALL "drugs are baaaad, mmkay?" More power to them.
Then there are also many who have done their research and are aware that "not all drugs are baaaaad, mmkay?" They are aware that things such as cannabis oil and medical marijuana offer documented health benefits and are not addictive substances as popularly believed (although anything, even sugar, can be abused addictively.)
Which camp you belong to is up to you. There is no right and wrong here, only what's right and wrong FOR YOU.
If you're of the firm opinion that you should allow your body to naturally secrete these substances and one should be stronger of mind, and that dimethyltryptamine (DMT) should be naturally secreted through the pineal gland and should not be introduced via Ayahuasca, so be it.
There are others who will not and do not share your opinion, and you need to realize that it is their right to do so, as it is your right to your opinion.
There's no need to accuse others, who are trying to help, of snide ad hominem verbosity while engaging in said snide ad hominem verbosity yourself!
END THREAD!
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Paradox - 06-19-2015 6:57 AM
(06-18-2015 7:27 PM)Pheroman Wrote: Coco used cats piss in her perfumes.... *real* cat piss. Not sure if it was male or female cat piss though.
In 1921 Coco Chanel changed the fragrance world with her ever-popular Chanel No. 5. In need of a musky base note, Coco used scrapings of sexual pheromones from the perianal (read: anal) gland of the Abyssinian civet cat– sexual pheromones that are found in cat pee.
So, how does this make Chanel No. 5 a marketplace winner? It all has to do with a mind-control parasite called Toxoplasma gondii. The tiny protozoan may be getting into our brains and tricking us into liking cats– along with certain perfumes.
http://www.torontostandard.com/daily-cable-news/is-the-secret-behind-chanel-no-5s-success-cat-pee/
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - halo0073 - 06-19-2015 3:59 PM
I am at a loss here because I missed the first thread. The morality issue cracks me up. I am extremely open with my pheromone use because frankly I don't give a fuck what other people think about the fact that I use them. My BF knows, my family knows, my friends know, my kids know. I wear Pheromones largely for myself. Selfies (and yes that is my phrase) are all I am after with one exception, that being adding some cops and none to my natural signature for better sex. I have tested Pheromones on large parties of people many many times. Sometimes I put them on several people at the party and sit back and watch. Once I put the same phero on every single person at the get together. So everyone knew. How is any of this possibly immoral? Sometimes I wear certain ones around certain people because it makes the day go more smoothly. They may or may not know about it. When they don't know about it, I don't think it's any more immoral. Honestly it confuses me that this is even an issue that could be debated for four pages. It's not illegal. It's not hurting anyone ( and if it does it gets washed off immediately), how is this immoral? And women don't get ridiculed for wearing push up bras. They haven't since about 1995. Because they are commonplace now. So in 2035 when Pheromones are commonplace we won't be having this discussion anymore. I wish I knew what the original thread said so I could understand why the OP thinks they are immoral but I think I get the general idea. Sometimes people who are generally assholes in certain situations get less of a chance to be an asshole in that situation because I am wearing Pheromones. Am I immoral because I deprived them of their right to be an asshole? I guess so, but a well timed joke can have the same effect. So can a compliment. Or any other social grace. This is not immorality, it is knowing how to navigate the world. Pheromones are a tool, not a weapon.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - zingers - 06-19-2015 5:31 PM
kimosabe: Regarding your last sentence - as you clearly said so yourself, you reap what you sow.
halo0073: People are really reading into this immorality issue, it's like they all tripped and bumped their heads together when they think (I use this word jokingly) they are giving you the most complete and accurate statement. Frankly, one doesn't get to decide how other people view the subject matter. Period. Thanks for sharing an opinion and the news pheromones aren't a weapon.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - phero hacker - 06-19-2015 9:29 PM
I like em hehehe.
As far as the moral issue I let a woman go (nothing is ever definite but i am familiar with how a woman acts who has committed to sleeping with me) who was moned up by me because under the circumstances I felt it was their right thing to do. A friend who does not use mones (and knows I do) called me an idiot for not taking full advantage of the situation.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Khan Solo - 06-20-2015 12:32 PM
Mr. Burns: Tell me, Simpson, if an opportunity arose for taking a small short-cut, you wouldn't be averse to taking it, would you?
Homer: Hmm, not as such.
Mr. Burns: Neither would I. If you can take advantage of a situation in some way, it's your duty as an American to do it. Why should the race always be to the swift, or the Jumble to the quick-witted? Should they be allowed to win merely because of the gifts God gave them? Well I say, "Cheating is the gift man gives himself."
Homer: Mr. Burns, I insist that we cheat!
Mr. Burns: Excellent!
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - halo0073 - 06-20-2015 4:53 PM
Jeez dude you really know how to make friends. You are most welcome for the news. Thanks to you for your fucking snark. It is just so refreshing to be called an idiot by someone who is so clearly well versed in EVERYTHING. Girl bye.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Pheroman - 06-20-2015 11:20 PM
Pushup bras are unethical and immoral because they inhibit boob jiggling.
A tight top with no bra is better.
Even small boobs jiggle, and it is unnatural thus immoral to stop that process.
I got distracted by halo's post.
What I wanted to say was if banned substances were unbanned tomorrow every athlete would be using them. Many still do anyways.
Is that moral or ethical? Each to there own.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - mark-in-dallas - 06-21-2015 4:15 PM
(06-18-2015 3:49 PM)zingers Wrote: I suppose some of us can't help but to resort to ad hominem. Please allow me to personally hand deliver a dozen of long-stemmed roses to DWR where he is currently recuperating at the hospital from broken feet via stomping on the ground the moment he saw my reply and took it absurdly too personally. With presumable huffing and puffing in the background as he decided to "neg my rep". "lol", indeed.
(06-19-2015 5:31 PM)zingers Wrote: kimosabe: Regarding your last sentence - as you clearly said so yourself, you reap what you sow.
halo0073: People are really reading into this immorality issue, it's like they all tripped and bumped their heads together when they think (I use this word jokingly) they are giving you the most complete and accurate statement. Frankly, one doesn't get to decide how other people view the subject matter. Period. Thanks for sharing an opinion and the news pheromones aren't a weapon.
I guess my warning went unheeded. That's okay though, my promise that it would be the only one I'd give did not.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - halo0073 - 06-21-2015 4:25 PM
I hope you didn't ban him on my account Mark. Nothing that fucktard could say would keep me up at night. Lol. But thanks.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - NP17 - 07-17-2015 2:46 PM
All of the moral defenses I've read here seem quite weak. My thought on morality of pheromones is that it doesn't make anyone do anything they don't WANT to do. Yes, it sometimes changes what some people want. Don't lie to yourself. You wouldn't be using them if they didn't. But it's not like a drug where the girl wakes up the next morning thinking, "Oh God!"
People are against pheromones because they can't process the idea that there's something that influences what we want without us knowing it. People buy into the American Dream modern myth hook-line-and-sinker that we choose what we want out of the bottom of our hearts and then make it happen in our lives by ourselves, unaffected by fate, circumstance, biology, social conditioning, or countless other factors beyond our control that affect how we think and feel.
So I think it's not really a moral issue, so much as something that is dissonant with a conventional way of viewing the world and how people view themselves. This is why pheromone enthusiasts are almost always free thinkers with open minds and counter-cultural attitudes.
A related issue is the "right or wrongness" of pheromones. And this is not so much the question of, "Is it evil to use pheromones?" as the question of, "Is it a good idea to use pheromones?" To that I would say that if you NEED pheromones to be happy and function socially, or if it causes you to lead a double life that disrupts your intimate relationships, you have a disease, probably physical in nature but manifesting in the psychological, that needs some kind of treatment. Pheromones cannot resolve this, and they can't cause this either.. Of course, these people usually become quite frustrated with the nature of pheromones and weed themselves out, as it's been suggested.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - ruben007 - 10-26-2016 9:27 AM
I give NP17 100% credit, people also buy expensive cars and ralph lauren clothing to be more attractive
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Arsenic - 10-26-2016 12:25 PM
The part that would be considered immoral is if your intention were to take advantage of people with your pheromones as if it were a kind of drug. The fact that most of us don;t share that we use pheromones comes to mind, because pheromones DO affect the way people behave, and i'm fairly certain that a handful of people would not like it if they knew you had pheromones on and it were affecting the way they think. So, yeah - its a judgement call on your part. Its all in how you think of and use pheromones. I do have some fun from time to time to see how people will react and I do think of it as a secret weapon so to speak, but then again I am aware that my success with pheromones is based on my actions; how I act while I wear them. so... take it for what its worth.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Jimmycrack - 10-26-2016 1:50 PM
there is a certain unknown to neurosteroids. we have to accept that humans ultimately bear responsibility for their front lobe. the real concern would be the absorption channels and potential side effects short and long term.
for instance, can they stimulate or depress the nervous system. can they impede or accelerate sexual development, can they trigger chain effects or accelerate natural hormone output in negative or positive ways...
there a substances that be added to perfumes that produce chemical reactions inside the body at picogram levels. there are also unknown effects from bioaccumulation.
one could argue that while is it ethically okay to experiment on yourself, exposing someone to substances as a by-product is unethical and especially so if you are trying to manipulate behavior at the biological level.
does the lack of scientific proof of a danger still make ethical? since proving long term effects is virtually non-existent.
is McDonald's ethical for doing the same thing with food? The difference here is that one participant is exposed similar to cigarette smoke.
What if we were to find out that an ingredient my trigger abnormal development in children or trigger mutations that give rise to inflammatory breast cancer?
Lots of if's.
Until something is proven, I am continuing my experiments since I am still not convinced entirely that the substances have long term effects. Can I sue my uber driver for using air freshner?
But I will say that if these are just behavioral triggers, I put them into acceptable ethical territory.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - jb20 - 10-27-2016 2:20 AM
Thread with this topic already got closed,so don't dig up old garbage.Want to discuss morality, join a religious forum or join feminist cult and be their beta white knight.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - BarefootOxford - 10-27-2016 12:42 PM
(10-27-2016 2:20 AM)jb20 Wrote: Thread with this topic already got closed,so don't dig up old garbage.Want to discuss morality, join a religious forum or join feminist cult and be their beta white knight.
Arsenic and Jimmycrack made reasonable posts with interesting points about ethics and pheromones. You have intruded with an insult which would derail a conversation that was reasonable prior to your intrusion. If you don't like the conversation, your participation is not required or invited, and others can continue it. If you don't like someone's position, please attack the position, not the person: threads get shut down because people are behaving badly, not because they disagree.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Spider-mone - 10-27-2016 1:15 PM
(10-27-2016 2:20 AM)jb20 Wrote: Thread with this topic already got closed,so don't dig up old garbage.Want to discuss morality, join a religious forum or join feminist cult and be their beta white knight.
seems like there's a lot of BW testers lately ... lol
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - Androcles - 10-27-2016 1:43 PM
(10-27-2016 1:15 PM)Spider-mone Wrote: seems like there's a lot of BW testers lately ... lol
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Ha Ha!
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - jb20 - 10-27-2016 4:21 PM
(10-27-2016 12:42 PM)BarefootOxford Wrote: Arsenic and Jimmycrack made reasonable posts with interesting points about ethics and pheromones. You have intruded with an insult which would derail a conversation that was reasonable prior to your intrusion. If you don't like the conversation, your participation is not required or invited, and others can continue it. If you don't like someone's position, please attack the position, not the person: threads get shut down because people are behaving badly, not because they disagree.
I was simply sating that, arguing about ethics & moral about mones is useless.Because,there are better topics:is it ethical to buy mones instead of donating to charity, because people are starving to death because of poverty? Ethical to drink milk because cows produce milk for its calves ? Ethical to eat meat because animals feel pain ?Ethical to wear makeup,push up bras,use Photoshop or women telling they like nice guys when they clearly don't?Ethical to wash your natural mones by showering?Buying good clothes,a good car,getting a good job,being alpha because they influence women?etc.It is a matter of time before some troll flame this thread that is the main reason for my response.No where in my response I insulted anyone.
"If you don't like the conversation, your participation is not required or invited, and others can continue it. If you don't like someone's position, please attack the position, not the person"-Throwing a hissy fit and telling people to shut up, you are doing the same...oh irony.Maybe we need a safe space.
(10-27-2016 1:15 PM)Spider-mone Wrote: seems like there's a lot of BW testers lately ... lol
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - BarefootOxford - 10-28-2016 11:05 AM
(10-27-2016 4:21 PM)jb20 Wrote: I was simply sating that, arguing about ethics & moral about mones is useless.Because,there are better topics:is it ethical to buy mones instead of donating to charity, because people are starving to death because of poverty? Ethical to drink milk because cows produce milk for its calves ? Ethical to eat meat because animals feel pain ?Ethical to wear makeup,push up bras,use Photoshop or women telling they like nice guys when they clearly don't?Ethical to wash your natural mones by showering?Buying good clothes,a good car,getting a good job,being alpha because they influence women?etc.It is a matter of time before some troll flame this thread that is the main reason for my response.No where in my response I insulted anyone.
"If you don't like the conversation, your participation is not required or invited, and others can continue it. If you don't like someone's position, please attack the position, not the person"-Throwing a hissy fit and telling people to shut up, you are doing the same...oh irony.Maybe we need a safe space.
Nonsense. You did not simply state any of that. Are you saying that telling people to go be a "beta white knight" elsewhere is intended with "Good feelings"? Perhaps calling my text a hissy fit and making a reference to a safe space is also intended with brotherly love and the spirit of philosophy. If so, you've missed the mark.
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - jb20 - 10-28-2016 6:19 PM
(10-28-2016 11:05 AM)BarefootOxford Wrote: Nonsense. You did not simply state any of that. Are you saying that telling people to go be a "beta white knight" elsewhere is intended with "Good feelings"? Perhaps calling my text a hissy fit and making a reference to a safe space is also intended with brotherly love and the spirit of philosophy. If so, you've missed the mark.
Well if you want to be self righteous and morally superior,religious forum or a feminist cult is the best place....As for my response to you,I was "calling a spade a spade", and no it didn't come from brotherly love,rather being annoyed by people trying to judge others and spout moral and self righteous BS.Funny how people believe they have the right to tell people what to do,but when other people argue with them,they get offended.Reminds me of street preachers.If you really want to do something good,donate to a charity or volunteer for a soup kitchen instead of criticizing mones while using them or have used them(pot calling kettle?).In summary:don't like mones,don't use them, if you want to discuss morality or ethics there are better places to discuss them,and when you come to a mone forum and start dissing mones, don't expect a good response(try going to a subliminal forum and start dissing subliminals and calling them immoral or some bs,see if they give you flowers or tell you to piss off). .
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - mark-in-dallas - 10-29-2016 12:05 AM
Okay guys, please don't make me step in to end the bickering. Can we just agree that you guys don't agree and move on, without having to escalate or play tit-for-tat?
RE: Pheromones, Ethics & Morals - jb20 - 10-29-2016 12:09 AM
(10-29-2016 12:05 AM)mark-in-dallas Wrote: Okay guys, please don't make me step in to end the bickering. Can we just agree that you guys don't agree and move on, without having to escalate or play tit-for-tat?
Ok sorry.Will not argue anymore(not like I get free candy for winning an online argument).Peace out.