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Copulins - thundr - 08-14-2015 7:59 AM
I know everyone was logging on today excited to read the latest "what should I buy?" or "can someone spray my mones on for me" posts.
Going to change things up a bit.
I was not really sure where to put this so feel free to file it appropriately.
I wanted to share some thoughts on cops based on some work years back and rather recently with these molecules. Going to try and tie them together.
Grand mone champions are currently testing waters I worked on a few months ago. While that started up, I took a solo kayak to work on some copulins. Here is that trip.
A previous understanding of copulins should be noted before reading this. Im not going to discuss the basics here or the exact chemicals involved. You can use fingers to attain that knowledge yourself. This is a review and opinion board so thats what Im going to do.
I know how long winded I can get and this post could turn into pages and take hours. I am going to hammer out some observations short and sweet.
Cops can be tricky. They can really affect an evening. I will be discussing artificial cops. Natural cops are slightly diff and deserve a separate topic.
Copulins in any strength will usually provide result. Ive noticed that this is one of those molecules that if you have it on in any quantity the effects are usually seen. Its really what you do when you have it on rather than how much here.
The slot. Cops create an artificial occupied space where there is not one. I suspect this is part of the buddybuddy aspect of dudes. You kind of have this army of one type presence where you are not actually alone. But you are. Add an illusion that you have recently banged a girl = instant buddy.
I do not pay much attention to effect on males so this was brief. Dudes make instant friends with you and are charmed at any dose. This can backfire during sex slumps or if you are one of those guys that never get laid. This leads into the polar effect it has on females.
Cops can push as hard and fast as they can pull. I wanted to figure out why. Good for ONS or instant street cred but why does it not carry throughout the entire evening? Why the ups and downs?
Cops create something that must occasionally be filled and can account for some of its polarity. I first noticed that this was on a macro scale over multiple exposures. Then I began noticing that there is a micro scale even during the course of an evening.
It all comes back down to filling that space cops have created. This will sometimes get you in trouble with question barrage if you are in Long Term Relationship. I noticed that years ago and it is still there recently. Ha but you can use this to your advantage if shes getting too comfy.
You will have an air about you saying you have recently been handled by a female. Dosing comes a bit into play as far as scale of "handling"
Females exposed to you will be looking for your slot filler. Something they can visualize the subconscious feeling that you are being jocked. NOTE: You will eventually need someone on your nuts to verify this. Guy friend, girl friend, fuck buddy, ex, etc. You get the jist.
If you are a social shut off, copulins will only work a short while until you can provide social proof. Until then you will appear weirder as time passes.
At some point you must provide this visual as it appears to be a bit more critical with females than with males.
Should you never provide a safe female to back up your copulins claim, it will begin to polarize on you. This can happen in weeks days or hours. I still havent fully figured out that part. I have been unable to desocialize myself to that wavelength for an amount of time required.
How to make cops work for you: Fill the slot. That is the point of the post I am sharing to the forum.
In any shape or form, fill it. Hot chicks, ugly chicks, friends, dudes, neighbors, etc.
If you fail to fill this position, your copulins app has less chance of success. We know the more social you are the more pheromones will work for you. This is especially true with copulins as they can backfire on you if you are not the social butterfly your aura claims.
Few more observations:
If you want to wear cops on your night out and you have a GF you may want to develop a safe female friend. Fail to do so and you will endure hours of questions.
If you gain the attention of a new female with a cops app, at some point you must develop a female to compete. Fail to do this will alas lead to more questions.
If you use cops often and you do not provide the social proof it demands it can backfire. Even in males although their tolerance is far greater than females. However you will still get questions.
Questions appear to be the large portion of the polarity and negatives with copulin apps. Men and women who are extremely social seem to have the best success.
I know that sounds obvious but it has degrees of effectiveness based on degrees of social involvement. That can wait until another post.
Conclusion:
If you never fill the slots that this pheromone demands, you will be met with questions instead of success. This can account for some, certainly not all, of copulin polarity and lack of success.
RE: Copulins - RTBoss - 08-15-2015 7:29 AM
What about a wedding ring...to fill the slot? I'm married, and never have problem with a ring on.
RE: Copulins - SuperJoy - 08-15-2015 8:41 AM
Im not sure I totally follow...
If you are a normal good looking guy that hold himself well, why would it be unbelievable that you got laid? Or are you saying they might think you got laid but seem like a player?
RE: Copulins - DWR - 08-15-2015 9:49 AM
Very interesting reading...
I don't think I can add to much here beyond a couple of recollections. I do not normally wear cops since I'm married. I have worn DP solo and in combo and more recently SOB on 2 separate occasions.
Normally it creates a deeper emotional bond when compared to the same combo minus the cops. This would be the "competition" element I guess with the added perception from Thundr that my "slots" are filled. On one occasion recently I was preoccupied with some text and email exchanges pertaining to a business deal that went south. In effect I socially ostracized myself that day and it seemed to have a profound effect on a couple of gals who were casual friends but somewhat interested in more. Normally I'd flirt and keep them at arms length, after this exposure they shifted their behavior toward me significantly.
Didn't think much of it since I didn't care beyond relief (at the time), however it was noticeable over a few visits that it was a permanent shift in perspective...
RE: Copulins - metaltree - 08-15-2015 12:00 PM
(08-14-2015 7:59 AM)thundr Wrote: If you gain the attention of a new female with a cops app, at some point you must develop a female to compete. Fail to do this will alas lead to more questions.
I'm assuming that this applies to a female that you plan on taking on a date. If you meet a female for a one night stand and have sex with her then filling the slot doesn't seem that necessary.
In that case, the ultimate question is does cops help or hurt when seeking a woman looking for a one night stand and nothing more.
RE: Copulins - DWR - 08-15-2015 6:13 PM
(08-15-2015 12:00 PM)metaltree Wrote: I'm assuming that this applies to a female that you plan on taking on a date. If you meet a female for a one night stand and have sex with her then filling the slot doesn't seem that necessary.
In that case, the ultimate question is does cops help or hurt when seeking a woman looking for a one night stand and nothing more.
Obviously if you scored then it's moot point. For someone who cops hurt then the failure to find a female alternative makes perfect sense. In that case the pull isn't you as much as it is her desire to "win" you for the night..so if you were cops go in be a womanizer and make them fight for the privilege of servicing your needs....
RE: Copulins - Fishdude - 08-15-2015 7:00 PM
Welcome back thundr. I do believe what some of thunder is saying but it is very general and that calibration of thought can be be attributed to many mones.
With all due respect, control the mones Is upon the wearer to many extents and especially if they are Alfa mones.
you can be blown out of the water with both alpha or cops.
Read my posts on cops since they are true to life and how they can affect your relationships with new women or long timed know women.
Cops findings are solid and they only affect women in a few ways and these are very well documented.
Cops are something the end user of pheromones should consider using. During very special occaisions. They are VERY powerful. And you need to be prepared for bad things happening with people that you know.
Cops are best used on new found women, not women that adore you. Re-read that.
Went to superstore after work and sometimes I like to spray some SOB on me and my work oils for a kick. Women notice that! In line a 250 lb black woman was so enamered by me, invited me out for a drink. Next time.
Have I missed out on some good aggressive loving? Maybe? But she was hungry and had that look in her eye's. So cops are specific . Read my posts on many negatives.
But to say that cops are what you make them and can be your freind if your extroverted is wrong. Cops are in my opinion the mone that will make a woman immediately judge you.
So you need to be prepared. And the women that you want to judge you well will judge you wrong and you won't get out of it. Your a pussy whore!
I can control A314 at many drops BW. You name it but cops are a wildcard that cannot be controlled by you directly . You need to judge the woman's reactions to your cops odour and react appropriately .
Trying some core again and cv4. I think thundr is on the right track. But making cops too user behaviour dependant and up to you? I am dubious . Cops elicit behaviours that I have seen happen before we, as men can react, and can be pos or neg. you will never get a positive from a woman that adores you , no matter how much vacant, if your using cops.
Cops. FD take: a woman has to have the vacancy and the needs for cops to work on her. She has the slot and will find you. Can you be congruent with 10 drops a314? Possibly can try. 10 drops BW ? Surely,
Cops put the woman In charge actually. No matter the dose, they will decide. Cops are the players molecule so correct there. Unless your an experienced user and understand psychology and body language like thundr then cops are really not for you .
Take it or leave it
FD
RE: Copulins - RTBoss - 08-15-2015 9:26 PM
Huh. I wouldn't say my wife's sis adores me (very fond I'd say), but she's like my lap dog when I wear SOB.
RE: Copulins - thundr - 08-16-2015 7:14 AM
(08-15-2015 7:29 AM)RTBoss Wrote: What about a wedding ring...to fill the slot? I'm married, and never have problem with a ring on.
Yeah man most definitely. Objects like wedding rings are highly symbolic and allow auto assumption of answers rather than just asking. It checks alot of boxes on the survey before the questions even start. A wedding ring says you have all the boxes already checked. Add the "forbidden fruit" aspect and attraction will be initially very very high from lady suitor.
Cops might get you in invisible trouble with wifey over time tho.
Ill try to make an example.
Hypothetically if you were to begin an affair after having attracted a female.
Questions would most likely be minimal at first as all the critical questions would be answered by your ring finger. Your wife would fill the place that cops would create. The sidecreep not wanting to bring up homelife, would focus on your meat and potatoes during dates. What makes you tick and alot of physical play to avoid the emotional. Over time she will become more emotionally dependent and begin to overcompensate the lack of emotion in the beginning.
See how this would differ from a typical first date where she would be grilling you about how goodguy you are? Many questions already answered and you are already prequalified.
This is just a scenario and could go deeper and in diff directions.
(08-15-2015 8:41 AM)SuperJoy Wrote: Im not sure I totally follow...
If you are a normal good looking guy that hold himself well, why would it be unbelievable that you got laid? Or are you saying they might think you got laid but seem like a player?
You can come off as "too social" ie being a player especially if you are seen often in groups or rarely alone. This is the opp side of the spectra from lonely creeper. Instead of questions you get gossiped on. You are not the lonely guy, yoiu are the guy with too many friends and they do not want to be just another notch.
This gossip is defensive so they can signal to all the other females your "intentions". Steering comes into play here and you never know the road conditions.
Its like a spooked doe raising her tail so you can see the white. This is a similar alarm mechanism. You can have genuine intentions of developing a legit friendship but the alarm will still be raised by the broken dolls and motherhens who are going to make you pay for all the men who hurt them or their friends in the past. You are coming off too social and they are putting you on the radar.
Point about cops is you get alot of questions over time while wearing it that do not seem to fit in to the normal time based effects we are used to seeing with mones. Cops are a bit like wearing scratches on your back. Its wise to have a good escape hatch ready if things go wrong. Lol
Ive also noticed cops tend to have an effect on the imaginations of people especially over time. The steering part is how the questions/slots are being addressed and what once was imagination/gossip is now tangible.
This inquisition occurs with any new friendship or relationship but cops do seem to enhance the curiosity a bit more. Sometimes alot more and it can get annoying especially later down the road.
Cops moreso than any other mone I have worn has generated the most initial imprinting I have seen. Perhaps this sets the stage for memory processes in the future or the groundwork is being poured from that point. Im still unbiased on this part still as it takes time to notice this stuff.
It is this early part of the forming friendship and cop interactions that interests me most. First impressions are important and currently having cops on may or may not signal who you are. Hence the questions to determine.
Nothing out there I have seen has made a chick whip out a pen and paper and start taking notes like copulins. Double edged sword here.
This can be good in the beginning of the relationship as she is getting to know you and that competition aspect of cops comes in. As she forms feelings over time, these questions become less innocent and border accusation even when you are not doing anything wrong.
When used, cop effects will begin to turn a corner at some point in the friendship. After some time you must get used to the eventual alignment change and steer appropriately.
Steering aside, I want to know exactly the mechanism at work here. So Im revisiting cops in effort to better understand what effects are coming from user and what is coming from chemical.
RE: Copulins - DWR - 08-16-2015 9:20 AM
Thundr what are your thoughts on cops and imprinting/"reset" blends. I remember reading mustangs comment somewhere that cops "ruined" Xist...yet the few times I've worn cops I almost always had Xist or more recently GOA and felt the results were normally exceptional....with the one exception noted above.
I never considered wearing cops with something like Core ... but then core is the only mix I have that I don't ever really combo anymore. Kind of the ace in the bullpen...
RE: Copulins - thundr - 08-16-2015 10:30 AM
Hard to say anything definite when dealing with such an individualized field such as mones.
We all have various body chemistries and the chemicals we put on affect us all differently. There are no real rules. Just observations.
example, I did not like combining Androstadienone with copulins. However there are some guys that gain benefit from mixing the two. Here we get into personalities and body chemistry and wherein lay no true answer. This is actually what has peaked some of my recent interest in cops.
Imprinting blends. I cant speak for other companies or products but I can give my angle of it. Im planning on doing some future work with them. Currently none of the test items have them and I use very dilute cops in one formula and its not the usual 6 cops acid combo. My thinking is its one of those things you can always add but is very difficult to take away.
I have the same feeling about Androstadienone and only use it in 2 formulas. Androstadienone will have to be added as a separate app to any future formulations.
From previous experience the whole cops sig gets tricky after time and one of the reasons I do not use them much. There is a point some form of shift occurs and that is what I am trying to figure out. Is it a type of preimprinting during courtship behavior? Is the shift during the introduction of feelings or is it deeper? Could the changes in body chemistry due to catching feelings interact with the cop signature on a more primordial lvel?
I can only go by the recurring shifts from desire to jealousy and wonder what is at work in this signature.
We can create a generalized effect with mones but then it gets fed into a life machine of variables as soon as it is sprayed on. What we do after application could be arguably as important as the application itself.
What works for one may not work for all. What works for all may not work for one. It really is an interesting outlook on how similar yet different we are. This is what makes the world go round and creates the spice cabinet of the world. We are so different no matter how alike we may seem and vice versa. That is the beauty (and the secret) of it.
RE: Copulins - DWR - 08-16-2015 11:08 AM
What abut the shift when you've know someone for a long time. I posted about wearing SOB in combo and it had a dramatic effect on someone I've known for 2 years...totally changed the dynamic...
RE: Copulins - Paradox - 08-17-2015 6:42 AM
I will agree with some points presented about Copulins and disagree with others.
The Ghost in the Shell
I disagree with Thundr with the theory that Copulins leave some sort of ghostly impression or some sort of empty space.
Copulins are a strange paradoxal type of putative to work with. On one hand Copulins give the impression that the wearer is “getting some already”. It gives the impression that the wearer is wanted, desired, and taken.
I’ve stayed away from Copulins because of its limited effectiveness. The type of woman that it attracts is not as universal as one would think. Most women do not want a man who is taken already. Most women want a man of their own. They want a man who is not married or engaged or dating. So that leaves the kind of woman who wants a taken man. She smells another woman on him but still wants to be with him. What kind of woman is that?
Liar, Liar
One thing to keep in mind while wearing Copulins is credibility. if you wear Copulins and go out to pick up women, what are you telling women when they ask if you are single? if you say that you don't have a girlfriend then you are marked as a liar by the woman you are speaking to. You smell like you just had sex but you say you are here to meet someone? You are branded as a liar and a player.
Desire Me--Pheromone XS
This is what SteveO has to say about Copulins:
"Desire Me copulins can be used for social proofing indicating you have been around women. Additionally using multiple drops makes a bold statement you have just engaged in sex with multiple women and have not showered."
You SOB
For those of you who say that you know the effects of Copulins because you use a mix that contains Copulins (SOB), I would say that you are not understanding what Copulins are doing.
SOB contains: AndrostENONE, Beta-AndrosteNOL, ALLO-THDOC (Allo-THDOC), Copulins, Alcohol Denat (SD40B) Dipropylene Glycol.
Can you also say that you know what ALLO-THDOC is doing by wearing SOB? It's hard to understand for some but SOB is a mixture of at least 4 different pheromones. SOB is not solo Copulins. Vets will cry an whine that they know what Copulins are but I say you only know what SOB is. You know that these 4 pheromones are mixed together right. The mix is like cake batter. It's all mixed together. The Copulins don't come in a separate vial it's mixed in with other pheromones.
Terry's take on Copulins
https://discoverxs.com/forum/pheromonexs-retail-products/for-men/11493-what-is-the-copulins-content-of-desire-me-xs-oil-for-men
"The effects for men using and applying copulins is many and varied and i would suggest that anyone who has not devoted some dedicated time into the research of such is sadly missing so much valuable and also most interesting knowledge in regard to their usage and thus understanding of the use of pheromones.
My time is limited however after testing and using copulin products over a ten year period in many and various pheromone combinations i have come to realize that the addition of copulins can greatly enhance and magnify the effects of pheromones and can be tailored to achieve some spectacular target responses
The use of copulins with pheromones can be used as a tool by men to manipulate the actions of other men ie peers ect i have seen this time and time again when i have added copulins with pheromones it can certainly cause peers to become most subservient to the influence of those who have the app applied, at times it is really very humorous to behold the actual influence it can have over normal males, i am not referring to gay men but your normal run of the mill male ie peers and also men of influence and also men of distinction, the combination of copulins and pheromones certainly works on these types.
When it comes to young women the application of copulins and pheromones by a male person can influence this category and can initiate the most and closest deepest and wonderous form of bonding that may ever be witnessed.
Also concerning the use of copulins and pheromones in the vicinity of some trans gendered individuals can also effect some rather dramatic influences over these folk and it is in this area where i have experienced the most negative and even hateful responses from some individuals, i have actually walked into a room there was a rather young overweight girl dressed in masculine attire at about 20 foot distance and within half a minute of my entry she was actually turning here nose up and snarling at me as she latched onto another young woman standing near by and whispering in her ear and pointing her finger at me in an accusing manner and all the while a hateful snarl upon her face, this was not the first time i experienced this.
However during my study of copulin application i found that despite some rather dramatic and unpleasant responses the good and the fun and the interesting did far outweigh the some times unpleasant responses.
What really sparked my initial interest in exploring copulin research further was when i did first apply Instant Sexiness with Alpha 7 , this was when AD was using copulins in the Instant Sexiness formulas, however they did eventually remove the copulins from this particular formulation and i do not know if they have as yet again began to include cops in this formula.
The night that i first applied Instant Sexiness with A 7 i attended a large party and after arriving i did position myself on a large bean bag and it was not long until i had four young girls gravitate around me and then sitting down beside me and soon sitting in my lap well actually they were bicering and jostling to gain my favor as to who was going to sit in my lap and then when they had quiet down they snuggling and placing arms around me, they became so quiet and it was evident that they were actually bonding with me just as if i was a maternal person, their actions were not distinctly sexual although certainly most startling to me at the time, however one of the younger girls did whisper something in my ear that at the time i did not think appropriate for a young girl to suggest, nevertheless the actions of the girls did inspire me to further investigation and experiment with the use of copulins associated with pheromone use for another year using them several times per week.
To any man who is in an unsteady relationship with a female partner i would advise caution in regard to the application of copulins because it can certainly cause their suspicious nature to be aroused, even though they may not be able to understand or be aware what is the cause of their suspicion."
PUA
From a PUA point of view, I don't see any real use for Copulins except for social proof. I only see it's use as being good for older men (50+) or for geeks semi virgins pretending to be a ladies man.
Testing
I have tested Copulins at lower doses (2 drops or lower) but not at very high doses yet.
RE: Copulins - Pheroman - 08-17-2015 7:50 AM
(08-17-2015 6:42 AM)Paradox Wrote: The type of woman that it attracts is not as universal as one would think. Most women do not want a man who is taken already. Most women want a man of their own. They want a man who is not married or engaged or dating. So that leaves the kind of woman who wants a taken man. She smells another woman on him but still wants to be with him. What kind of woman is that?
Based on a few decades experience, this is wrong imo.
Almost every woman has a movie/music star she would be happy a spend a night with if no one ever knew, knowing full well she will be in a long long list.
Of course in an Long Term Relationship there is no point using cops unless its a very small amount in a mix occasionally.
And of course whats the point of an Long Term Relationship if there is no sex.
But before that cops signal preselection, and its a rare woman who does not want preselection.
A woman who finds a man attractive thinks every other woman does as well.
Quote:What kind of woman is that?Its ingrained and hardwired in the brain, its just female biology/phsycology. Unless a man is in their "top tier" list, he is in for a lot of trouble. And top tier lists are always in demand and hard to pin down.
Some act on it more than others, but women are much more competitive than men, when theyre interested.
Quote:Most women want a man of their own.And they get much more satisfaction stealing him from all the others.
Its also the substory of many Disney animations.
RE: Copulins - Paradox - 08-17-2015 9:04 AM
(08-17-2015 7:50 AM)Pheroman Wrote: Almost every woman has a movie/music star she would be happy a spend a night with if no one ever knew, knowing full well she will be in a long long list.
Copulins don't make you a rock star or a movie star. Copulins just indicate that you just had sex. Copulins don't indicate a long list of past or future conquests either. They do make it seem as though you just got laid and barely showered the other woman's sex scent off.
(08-17-2015 7:50 AM)Pheroman Wrote: But before that cops signal preselection, and its a rare woman who does not want preselection.
A woman who finds a man attractive thinks every other woman does as well.
Yes Copulins are good for preselection and social proof. If you need that. They also indicate that you are already "taken" which will work against you.
(08-17-2015 7:50 AM)Pheroman Wrote: Some act on it more than others, but women are much more competitive than men, when theyre interested.
It takes more than a couple of drops of Copulins to make a woman want to compete with someone who is not there with you.
(08-17-2015 7:50 AM)Pheroman Wrote: And they get much more satisfaction stealing him from all the others.
Its also the substory of many Disney animations.
Some women do like to steal other women's men. What percent of the female population does this. Let's say below 5%. The majority of women don't want the headache.
RE: Copulins - DWR - 08-17-2015 9:25 AM
Actually "all ready taken" works in your favor. Married guys (with some game) get hit on much more often then single guys. Part of it is the "all the good ones are taken" but also the perception of experience and a lack of drama.
Women are actually as likely as men to want a drama free sexual encounter. I do believe that cops help you stand out as a desirable fuck buddy (along with a wedding ring of course
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RE: Copulins - theLaw - 08-17-2015 10:04 AM
We might need to agree on terms here :
Hooking Up (Sex) vs Dating (Long Term Relationship)...............huge difference in the type of women most men look for for each
RE: Copulins - thundr - 08-17-2015 10:54 AM
(08-16-2015 11:08 AM)DWR Wrote: What abut the shift when you've know someone for a long time. I posted about wearing SOB in combo and it had a dramatic effect on someone I've known for 2 years...totally changed the dynamic...
Im using Essence of Woman for the cop tests. I have never worn SOB so I cant comment there.
The pure cops products contain just the cop acids and that was what I was after.
Running stuff like this with a girlfriend can be tricky and alot diff than using it when playing the field. Im trying to get a grasp on cop effects in an established relationship versus using them on new females.
IME I have a solid relationship but cops mess with their heads big time. Its like imagination overload in the worst way. You can use this when you are single to success but in a relationship it can get hazardous sometimes. Things come out of thin air and most likely driven from a negative male experience before you. Still trying to put it all together actually.
(08-17-2015 6:42 AM)Paradox Wrote: I disagree with Thundr with the theory that Copulins leave some sort of ghostly impression or some sort of empty space.
Copulins are a strange paradoxal type of putative to work with. On one hand Copulins give the impression that the wearer is “getting some already”. It gives the impression that the wearer is wanted, desired, and taken.
You may have misunderstood me here.
Cops say you are getting ass. When said ass is not present what are we left with? Ghost pussy. This is where wedding rings and symbols shine brightly. Natural congruence.
The evidence of it is not present yet the cops still say its there. What the wearer does from there is up to them on either side of the spectra. Introvert or extrovert, player or hubby, you will inevitably over time have to provide proof of the social proofing cops provide. When we fill those slots is that where the shift occurs? Is it the imagination that cops utilize that provides its success and when actual people are placed into these slots, is their perception altered?
Yes cops attract broken dolls with issues by superimposing competition value. Been there done that.
So when we use cops on solid chicks without issues what does it do?
Im finding out it creates issues from thin air by increasing the female imagination. Also normal chicks appear to start showing their hidden broken doll you did not see at first.
This effect can be steered positive or negative but there is no handbook or cut and paste vendor quotes for this stuff. Just have to gain the experience for oneself and kinda go from there.
Anyone can recreate this experiment for themselves as the recipe is quite simple:
-Get a decent hot chick who is completely in love with you for the past 2 years.
-Crack open stank bottle of Essence of Woman and start wearing it intermittently for a few weeks
-try not to get dumped over imaginary girl(s)
-compare these reactions to those females when you were single
-clean up mess and document experience
RE: Copulins - Paradox - 08-17-2015 11:48 AM
(08-17-2015 10:54 AM)thundr Wrote: IME I have a solid relationship but cops mess with their heads big time. Its like imagination overload in the worst way.
This is NOT her imagination. She actually does smell some other woman's juice on you.
(08-17-2015 10:54 AM)thundr Wrote: You may have misunderstood me here.
Cops say you are getting ass. When said ass is not present what are we left with? Ghost pussy. This is where wedding rings and symbols shine brightly. Natural congruence.
There is no such thing as ghost pussy. But yes, your partner who you just had sex with (Copulins) is not with you. The Puss smell is not imaginary. The female mind knows it belongs to a female. They just don't know who it belongs to.
(08-17-2015 10:54 AM)thundr Wrote: So when we use cops on solid chicks without issues what does it do?
Im finding out it creates issues from thin air by increasing the female imagination. Also normal chicks appear to start showing their hidden broken doll you did not see at first.
Agreed.
(08-17-2015 10:54 AM)thundr Wrote: This effect can be steered positive or negative but there is no handbook or cut and paste vendor quotes for this stuff. Just have to gain the experience for oneself and kinda go from there.
Agreed. There are so few guys testing molecules solo. Copulins have been around for some time but mone users have never really delved into them because of their complex and problematic nature. There is no real payoff...not like the payoff for studying other mones like Androstenone or Androstadienone or Androsterone.
Women simply don't flock to guys who wear Copulins.
Maybe Copulins work great at super high doses...
RE: Copulins - RTBoss - 08-17-2015 2:49 PM
(08-17-2015 11:48 AM)Paradox Wrote: Maybe Copulins work great at super high doses...
Try that stank on for size and get back to us!
I'll admit my only "cops" experience comes with using SOB. I need to get some pure cops so I can add to this debate. Being married, I have some opportunities others don't.
That being said, with SOB on my wife is super-bitchy around me. She even said the other day that she has "no doubt that if some girl offered sex" that I would "do it without hesitation." I frankly don't know what I'd do, but the fact that she thinks that made me question whether I'm doing my part in our relationship.
The other side is that my wife's sister - who clearly knows I'm married - nips at my ankles with SOB on. She even blatantly disrespects her fiance and defers to me right in front of him. Maybe their sex life isn't that great, and the cops turn on her "imagination" (as Thundr referred to) about me.
I'd like to see what pure cops does without anything else.
Keep this discussion going, it's interesting as hell.
RE: Copulins - kimosabe - 08-17-2015 5:39 PM
(08-17-2015 11:48 AM)Paradox Wrote: ...
(08-17-2015 10:54 AM)thundr Wrote: You may have misunderstood me here.
Cops say you are getting ass. When said ass is not present what are we left with? Ghost pussy. This is where wedding rings and symbols shine brightly. Natural congruence.
There is no such thing as ghost pussy. But yes, your partner who you just had sex with (Copulins) is not with you. The Puss smell is not imaginary. The female mind knows it belongs to a female. They just don't know who it belongs to.
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Ghost pussy in this case refers to pussy that's assumed to be there courtesy of the scent of cops and the wearing of a wedding ring. So yes, there is indeed ghost pussy, even though there may not be an actual pussy contributing said cops signature, as explained by thundr.
RE: Copulins - Ancillian - 08-18-2015 11:02 AM
I experimented with cops a long time ago, mainly with an Alter Ego + Passion Copulin Concentrate mix.
Compared to my old regular Scent of Eros +New Pheromone Additive mix, AE+Passion Copulin Concentrate got me:
- Roughly equal amounts of IoIs from women.
- Whilst women seemed attracted, they also seemed to start to play games. Scent of Eros +New Pheromone Additive = close dancing in clubs with no problems with escalation. AE+Passion Copulin Concentrate = close dancing for a few minutes, then women giving indications they'd get like to escalate, then inexplicably turning away and dancing with someone else (whilst looking over their shoulder at me to test my reactions).
- Gay men were very rude to me.
Here's one of my theories on this. It's a theory similar to what has already been said, but has a slightly different nuance to it.
A guy wearing cops, especially when worn concurrently with male pheromones, smells like a male, heterosexual, player. I'm not sure if women can specifically identify vaginal extract, but part of their brain, over time, may have noticed that players have cops in their olfactory signature - especially when they have been playing around a lot! Emotions may well have become conditioned to that scent.
These emotions may be: sexual arousal, frustration, annoyance, despondency, heart-break and desire for revenge. The ratio between these emotions will differ depending personal history with players. This leads to women to display attraction, but display bitchy/game-playing behaviour. It would also be consistent with women becoming suspicious if their boyfriend/husband started wearing cops.
For a gay man, it's the scent of rejection (especially when combined with the classic male pheromones). With the male pheromones he gets arousal, with the cops he may also get arousal (given its association with hot guys), but he gets the feeling of total rejection. Unlike the hot girl, he doesn't get fucked and left, he is totally rejected on every level - hence complete dislike.
One thing I'd be interested in knowing, however, is whether anyone else has noticed the effects wearing a male pheromone + cops mix has on gay men.
RE: Copulins - moe - 08-25-2015 4:03 AM
Great thread. I don't agree with everything though, but I'm too lazy to write a long post.
I'll leave my experience:
I had a sample of desire me oil that I got from my first PXs order. Every single time I wore it, my girlfriend literally jumped on me and had her way with me. I loved that stuff, it made her pursue sex like I'm an object or like she's on a mission. I remember once we had just finished to have sex, I went to the bathroom and applied some of that juice. After 3 minutes she aggressively demanded more sex.
(DP does not have that effect on her though)
No jealousy or other negative behaviour from her, neither with desire me nor DP.
She's 35, We've been together for almost 4 years and this happened approximately 1 year ago.
M.
RE: Copulins - thundr - 08-25-2015 8:36 AM
Few updates on the observation.
Cops seem have an occasional aftershock effect or lingering effect long after the app, or in this case series of apps.
I chose using straight cops over a formula that contains them. I did not want any other influences other than just the cops themselves. With mones you cannot add blue to red and expect a clear separation of blue and red in the bottle.
What you get is something purple and resembles neither of the original colors.
This is not a complete guide to cops. It is an observation from a guy with a girlfriend who used to see a whole different side of cops. In earlier times the female competition was very receptive to cops until a point.
What this post is about is that sometimes you come across a chick who is ready to put on warpaint and goto battle for her man over cops. Over an invisible woman she was chemically induced to create, or dig up. I wouldnt have bothered reporting the observation if I thought that it was normal behavior.
She has never shown this type of jealousy streak and I can only attribute it to the limited exposure of cops I was testing on everyone, not just her. I think she got the brunt of it because she got basted the most.
Moral of the story:
we are using very specific molecules to create certain effects in a relatively new field of science. Effects we THINK we know about but how much do we really know?
There are those few instances where the molecules begin to behave differently at times than what we originally observed in past experiences. This makes people like me ask why.
Heres a game to symbolize this. It is called what it means to me.
Put a pic in front of a gathering of people and give them 10 min to come up with how it makes them feel. Have each discuss afterward.
Regardless of picture posted you will see the myriad of personalities that all drive from a childhood and a past to make up a current 10 min view of a poster.
We are doing something similar here at pherotruth. You get to see the spices of the world all come together to share what makes us salt and pepper.
I was doing some solo cops experiments on the test track and saw the rear get loose on me for a second. Figured I would raise a caution flag that the track can get a bit slippery after turn 3. Thank you all for the participation and reading.
RE: Copulins - Paradox - 08-26-2015 6:17 AM
(08-25-2015 8:36 AM)thundr Wrote: Few updates on the observation.
Cops seem have an occasional aftershock effect or lingering effect long after the app, or in this case series of apps.
I chose using straight cops over a formula that contains them. I did not want any other influences other than just the cops themselves. With mones you cannot add blue to red and expect a clear separation of blue and red in the bottle.
What you get is something purple and resembles neither of the original colors.
This is not a complete guide to cops. It is an observation from a guy with a girlfriend who used to see a whole different side of cops. In earlier times the female competition was very receptive to cops until a point.
What this post is about is that sometimes you come across a chick who is ready to put on warpaint and goto battle for her man over cops. Over an invisible woman she was chemically induced to create, or dig up. I wouldnt have bothered reporting the observation if I thought that it was normal behavior.
She has never shown this type of jealousy streak and I can only attribute it to the limited exposure of cops I was testing on everyone, not just her. I think she got the brunt of it because she got basted the most.
Moral of the story:
we are using very specific molecules to create certain effects in a relatively new field of science. Effects we THINK we know about but how much do we really know?
There are those few instances where the molecules begin to behave differently at times than what we originally observed in past experiences. This makes people like me ask why.
Heres a game to symbolize this. It is called what it means to me.
Put a pic in front of a gathering of people and give them 10 min to come up with how it makes them feel. Have each discuss afterward.
Regardless of picture posted you will see the myriad of personalities that all drive from a childhood and a past to make up a current 10 min view of a poster.
We are doing something similar here at pherotruth. You get to see the spices of the world all come together to share what makes us salt and pepper.
I was doing some solo cops experiments on the test track and saw the rear get loose on me for a second. Figured I would raise a caution flag that the track can get a bit slippery after turn 3. Thank you all for the participation and reading.
Great summary and good review of how Copulins affect relationships.
Just to add a footnote to all of this; Copulins seem to have a huge impact on women who already have an emotional tie or are emotionally vested in the user.
Copulins establish social proof and give the impression that you were just "with" a woman.
Copulins on older men give the impression that "Just because there's snow on the roof doesn't mean there's not a fire in the furnace."
Copulins are not a pick up tool per se. Perhaps combined with the proper puntatives it can be useful.
RE: Copulins - metaltree - 09-30-2016 12:45 PM
(08-26-2015 6:17 AM)Paradox Wrote: Copulins are not a pick up tool per se.
Copulins can be useful in pickup for screening out husband hunters when seeking out a one night stand.
If you meet a "husband hunter" at a bar you may spend the whole night with her only to find out that she wants a serious relationship rather than a hookup. But if you had copulins on there is a good chance that she would have been repelled and you would not have wasted each other's time.
On the other hand I recall meeting a girl at a club while wearing dirty primitive and spending hours with her only to find out that she is ready to get married and have children. She thought I was the husband type. This also happened with Swoon + SXD-9 + Desire Me. So maybe copulins are not the great screening tool I am hoping for.