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Pansterone dhea supplement oil - dsouza - 09-24-2015 3:32 PM
So today was my first day using the oil as recommended in the harder erections thread by THELAW.
Must say in one day I am getting increased aggression , slightly Hornier and got a few hits from women 50+ as if they want to swallow me up . They also happened to be ugly and these ugly women who usually ignore me had no trouble acting like their hormones were out of control.
In cafe one 19 y.o beauty kept looking at me and she was a 10 but my SO Was entering the cafe so I couldn't try to chat or close her. Too bad.
Overall I feel Hornier , more aggressive and introverted .
Someone pass me some AM
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - NP17 - 09-24-2015 3:36 PM
I'm taking Pansterone too, but my results are complicated because I'm coming off of 200 mg pregnenolone, which is known to cause withdrawals.
It's not an oil, but it's in DMSO and ethanol. It may make your breath stink (BAD) without you knowing it. D-limonene will take care of that.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - NP17 - 09-24-2015 4:00 PM
Some more notes on DMSO:
There are special risks associated with DMSO. DMSO is a powerful solvent and will dissolve things that it comes in contact with. Not only that, it will absorb through the skin and cellular membranes more effectively than almost anything. When it absorbs through these barriers, it carries with it anything that is dissolved in it. That's why it's used topically combined with various drugs or supplements. Although no reported cases of serious medical problems caused by these that I know of, it could be harming you if used improperly.
To reduce these risks, you should wash your body on the point where you apply it and thoroughly remove any soap that you use to wash. Also, try not to cover it with clothing after you apply there. The DMSO may dissolve dyes and other chemicals in your clothes and carry them into your skin. People have reported seeing dye inside their skin after doing this. It may also carry pathogens on your skin into your bloodstream.
Theoretically, it may potentiate drugs or pharmaceuticals by making your cells more permeable. DMSO gets everywhere in your body no matter where you apply it.
Just something to be aware of. I don't think there's any great danger.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - dsouza - 09-24-2015 4:14 PM
Btw I used 8 drops on two separate intervals today.
The first 8 drops I was just a little more alive but after the second dose I became more aggressive and horny. Almost blew up at my SO today.
On a date this could backfire. Like I said it feels like a huge test boost. Mones will help greatly with my people skills. No point being the horny introverted man who doesn't act because he's so horny and aggressive he feels like fucking immediately.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - dsouza - 09-25-2015 4:34 AM
My SO says my breath stinks now that I use Pansterone . Will this subside?
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - NP17 - 09-25-2015 4:53 AM
No it won't. Take one gelcap of D-limonene to make that go away. Using it before bed might help too. The smell could go away before you wake up, but that won't work if neno makes you hyper.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - theLaw - 09-25-2015 7:21 AM
Keep in mind that if you are already taking something for low T, this may push your testosterone too high, causing aggression, as it can decrease cortisol which blocks Testosterone.
We live in a culture were we believe more T is always better, but the evidence suggests otherwise after a certain point, as it can be a stress just like anything else.
I haven't had the issue with bad breath, but I'm also following a Peat protocol including a full range of vitamins and minerals from natural whole-food sources.
As for the risk from DMSO, Pansterone has ethanol designed to make it a safer mix, and I have yet to see anyone on several forums (some have used a DMSO pure mix with other substances) have any issues with it beyond the bad breath. In general, we're probably pretty clean on the areas where we would apply the mix, but sterilizing it can't hurt.
Also, be sure to wash off the area 20min after application, as the residue can cause some mild skin issues (dryness-redness).
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - Spars - 09-25-2015 7:29 AM
I'm Only in my late 20s, but I scooped up this product. Received it a few days ago and yesterday at about 3 drops I felt pretty damn good. A lot less stress. I've hit a 50 lb weight loss mark so I guess my T is already in pretty good shape. I do work a lot, though and feel like I've always been a higher cortisol producer. The lack of a decent night sleep no doubt makes it worse. I'm also on a low carb diet where I do eventually eat carbs every 7-10 days. I'm interested to see how this product continues.
Do you gents feel any way towards me using less than recommended?
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - NP17 - 09-25-2015 8:57 AM
3 drops is fine. Everyone has a different sensitivity to hormones.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - DWR - 09-25-2015 10:01 AM
Add me the list of believers, noticeable improvement in skin, hair, sleep, libido and erection quality after 3 full days at 8 drops X 3 per day. Will probably cut back to either 2x a day or drop down to 5d x 3 to see what differences are...
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - dsouza - 09-25-2015 10:17 AM
I don't know why but after the first dose I look and feel tired.. By the time a few hrs goes by i'm alert again. By the time the second dose is applied I feel more alert, aggressive, and dtf.
But its often a lethargic feeling in the morning and I've taken photographs of myself I sure look beat up in the mornings after its applied.. Not to mention increased acne.
And last nights sleep was terrible.. I've been up since 1 am.... this often happens when T surges.
dsouza
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - NP17 - 09-25-2015 11:43 AM
You can get rid of the acne by lowering the dose and slowly increasing it. Wash your face with a cleanser to remove excess oil. Pregnenolone takes a long time for the body to adapt to because it's at the top of the steroid hormone chain. It maybe take 4-6 weeks to start feeling benefits in certain areas like inflammation. You shouldn't need to take this long before increasing your dose, though.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - HappyGoSkillfully - 09-25-2015 1:14 PM
Are there any known side effects that may be considered negative?
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - dsouza - 09-25-2015 2:18 PM
My SO SAYS my body now reeks worse than a monkey in a zoo who done shitting.
I have decided to stop Pansterone completely.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - NP17 - 09-25-2015 2:18 PM
(09-25-2015 1:14 PM)HappyGoSkillfully Wrote: Are there any known side effects that may be considered negative?
Most of them have been mentioned or implied already. High T, high estrogen, acne, bad breath, dependency. Heart palpitations is another one. This is an experimental supplement and may have unpredictable effects.
(09-25-2015 2:18 PM)dsouza Wrote: My SO SAYS my body now reeks worse than a monkey in a zoo who done shitting.
I have decided to stop Pansterone completely.
Lol I told you. D-limonene.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - theLaw - 09-25-2015 2:38 PM
(09-25-2015 2:18 PM)dsouza Wrote: My SO SAYS my body now reeks worse than a monkey in a zoo who done shitting.
I have decided to stop Pansterone completely.
I would suggest posting on the Ray Peat forum, as I have not seen anyone post about those odor issues. They may have some good advice
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - theLaw - 10-06-2015 11:34 AM
Any updates from anyone using Pansterone
?
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - NP17 - 10-06-2015 12:50 PM
I'm tapering off the pansterone. It makes my voice crack, and I worry about the bad breath.
I've actually been trying CO2 supplementation lately, inspired by this post:
http://www.functionalps.com/blog/2012/09/26/ray-peat-phd-on-carbon-dioxide-longevity-and-regeneration/
So far my temperature has gone up half a degree almost immediately, my focus is improved, and most importantly, it's had some major anti-inflammatory effects. I have an intestinal autoimmune disease, and I've tried everything. But this really blows everything away so far.
I drink lots of seltzer water, and I take baths with a few cups of baking soda in it. Try it and see if your metabolism goes up.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - Spars - 10-06-2015 1:01 PM
I've been rocking this at 4 drops in the morning and have noticed a slight increase is mood, better control over carb cravings, and maybe a slight increase in facial hair growth. I'm 26.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - SuperJoy - 10-06-2015 1:44 PM
(10-06-2015 12:50 PM)NP17 Wrote: I'm tapering off the pansterone. It makes my voice crack, and I worry about the bad breath.
I've actually been trying CO2 supplementation lately, inspired by this post:
http://www.functionalps.com/blog/2012/09/26/ray-peat-phd-on-carbon-dioxide-longevity-and-regeneration/
So far my temperature has gone up half a degree almost immediately, my focus is improved, and most importantly, it's had some major anti-inflammatory effects. I have an intestinal autoimmune disease, and I've tried everything. But this really blows everything away so far.
I drink lots of seltzer water, and I take baths with a few cups of baking soda in it. Try it and see if your metabolism goes up.
No pansterone yet.... On the list tho. Keep the reports coming!
I've been taking Bobs mill baking soda internally every morning for a few months. I also take it before I work out and when I get heart burn. I've seen nothing but good things in my health. It's hard to pin point it on BS. One of the biggest things from BS that seems to effect me is the lack of getting sore when I work out. I'm just getting back into it now that my health is returning but I haven't been sore one single time!
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - NP17 - 10-06-2015 1:48 PM
(10-06-2015 1:44 PM)SuperJoy Wrote: No pansterone yet.... On the list tho. Keep the reports coming!
I've been taking Bobs mill baking soda internally every morning for a few months. I also take it before I work out and when I get heart burn. I've seen nothing but good things in my health. It's hard to pin point it on BS. One of the biggest things from BS that seems to effect me is the lack of getting sore when I work out. I'm just getting back into it now that my health is returning but I haven't been sore one single time!
It's funny you should mention that, because I started taking baking soda baths and drinking club soda thinking that it would increase my CO2. It really improved my health in the ways I mentioned 3 posts above. But now that I stopped with the baths and switched to seltzer water, the problems have returned, especially inflammation and gut problems. I think maybe the potassium bicarbonate in the club soda and sodium bicarbonate/baking soda is what really was helping me, not the CO2.
Honestly, nothing annoys me more than the pH cabal in the alternative health community. Like you mentioned, it just seems like total BS. But if it works, I'll be a believer and join their cult.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - SuperJoy - 10-06-2015 2:07 PM
(10-06-2015 1:48 PM)NP17 Wrote: Honestly, nothing annoys me more than the pH cabal in the alternative health community. Like you mentioned, it just seems like total BS. But if it works, I'll be a believer and join their cult.
I understand your point and agree but what about PH of the body seems not important?
If you are having stomach issues I would highly recommend you give it a try. I bought empty caps and just fill two every morning and take them with my Ormus water. I would say its around a gram. The little bag of Bob's I buy last for months making it pretty cost effective. It's really good stuff to just keep around the house too.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - NP17 - 10-06-2015 2:46 PM
(10-06-2015 2:07 PM)SuperJoy Wrote: I understand your point and agree but what about PH of the body seems not important?
If you are having stomach issues I would highly recommend you give it a try. I bought empty caps and just fill two every morning and take them with my Ormus water. I would say its around a gram. The little bag of Bob's I buy last for months making it pretty cost effective. It's really good stuff to just keep around the house too.
Yes, I'm trying the baking soda now. Something about bicarbonate seems to be helping, but I'm not sure what. It seems to help a LOT.
There are plenty of counterarguments to pH modification, especially with baking soda.
1. The stomach acid just neutralizes the baking soda, stressing the body but having no other effect.
2. The body's pH is so tightly regulated that it can't affect anything.
3. pH is meant to be in balance, and supplementing with a strong acid or base only throws the body out of balance
These are just example. I'm not trying to disagree with you, as I think we might be on to something with the baking soda, but just giving some examples. Normally, I like to see a scientific explanation of something before I try it, but this seems to be working, and I have no idea why.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - moe - 10-06-2015 2:52 PM
(10-06-2015 1:44 PM)SuperJoy Wrote: No pansterone yet.... On the list tho. Keep the reports coming!
I've been taking Bobs mill baking soda internally every morning for a few months. I also take it before I work out and when I get heart burn. I've seen nothing but good things in my health. It's hard to pin point it on BS. One of the biggest things from BS that seems to effect me is the lack of getting sore when I work out. I'm just getting back into it now that my health is returning but I haven't been sore one single time!
BS will help re-establish a good acid-base balance, thus bringing lots of healthy effects, one of them being less lactic acid after a workout
Thanks for sharing SJ
M.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - theLaw - 10-06-2015 2:53 PM
Ray Peat is also a huge proponent of daily Aspirin + Baking Soda as it reduces inflammation.
Many people who have problems with taking large doses of Aspirin have found that the Baking Soda completely resolves these issues.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - DWR - 10-07-2015 9:56 AM
I've been using this stuff for a while now and for me it's providing some noticeable benefits. Sleep patterns are much better, skin and hair both noticeably better and libido is both higher and more consistent. These are noticeable but not quantum leaps. By no means is this a fountain of youth miracle mix but it seems to do exactly what it promises to. I've got my physical in a few more weeks and I'll get a current T count t compare to my last test (a couple of years ago).
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - theLaw - 10-07-2015 10:29 AM
(10-07-2015 9:56 AM)DWR Wrote: I've been using this stuff for a while now and for me it's providing some noticeable benefits. Sleep patterns are much better, skin and hair both noticeably better and libido is both higher and more consistent. These are noticeable but not quantum leaps. By no means is this a fountain of youth miracle mix but it seems to do exactly what it promises to. I've got my physical in a few more weeks and I'll get a current T count t compare to my last test (a couple of years ago).
How many drops per day?
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - SuperJoy - 10-07-2015 1:57 PM
(10-06-2015 2:52 PM)moe Wrote: BS will help re-establish a good acid-base balance, thus bringing lots of healthy effects, one of them being less lactic acid after a workout
Thanks for sharing SJ
M.
I've read that too and my results seem to concur.
@np17. You're not disagreeing at all. I hate the culty groups...for anything. But in this case I'm convinced there is something to BS and ph balancing in the body. I also am buying that the American diet makes the body really acidic. In an ideal world we would have solid scientific research on everything we wanted to try. In the real world there is just too much fuckery and money to make any sense of it. Thats the nice thing about sites like this. Smart (or crazy) people coming together to test things that are mostly pseudoscience.
I appreciate each and every one of you that lather yourself up in some odd 'mone or take some unknown pills in the name of making a better functioning human. The internet is amazing!
Ordered. I'll get back with my review in a few weeks !
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - NP17 - 10-07-2015 2:48 PM
(10-07-2015 1:57 PM)SuperJoy Wrote: In the real world there is just too much fuckery and money to make any sense of it. Thats the nice thing about sites like this. Smart (or crazy) people coming together to test things that are mostly pseudoscience.
I appreciate each and every one of you that lather yourself up in some odd 'mone or take some unknown pills in the name of making a better functioning human. The internet is amazing!
I too am blown away by the knowledge that has been made freely available through the Internet. It's all about connections, and knowledge is no longer the privilege of the elite, anymore.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - DWR - 10-07-2015 3:53 PM
(10-07-2015 10:29 AM)theLaw Wrote: How many drops per day?
Recommended dose of 8 drops 3 times per day so a total of 24 drops per day
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - moe - 03-20-2016 7:41 AM
Any update on this?
Superjoy? DWR?, Anyone?
M.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - theLaw - 03-20-2016 8:50 AM
(03-20-2016 7:41 AM)moe Wrote: Any update on this?
Superjoy? DWR?, Anyone?
M.
Still use this regularly.
It should be noted that you need proper nutrition to get the most out of these supplements.
I was recently diagnosed with Seasonal Allergies, and have removed nearly all symptoms using this diet alone. At this rate, I should be able to clear them up in a couple of months...........no meds!!!
Keep in mind that Haidut's supplements are 100% pure highest lab-grade ingredients........and along with dmso will allow absorption of up to 10x a normal dose. His stuff is like the MAG of supplements.
Also, substances that lower cortisol, estrogen, and serotonin lead to increased libido and erectile strength!!!
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - moe - 03-21-2016 8:51 AM
Have you tried any other of Haidut's supplements?
M.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - NP17 - 03-21-2016 9:13 AM
I tried Pansterone and Estroban.
The Pansterone was good, but the DMSO was prohibitive for me. I was taking D-Limonene which decreases the body odor, but because it was topical, I was always worried that people would be smelling it. It is truly a vile smell, but you get nose blind to it the more you use it. The big reason I stopped was because it didn't work with my body chemistry. I think there was too much conversion to Estrogen.
I've also used Estroban, but it wouldn't come out of the dropper. It was just a cheap dropper bottle that wasn't designed for the oil he puts in it. I contacted him by e-mail for any advice on how I could make the drops come out, but no reply. I'm avoiding Vitamin D and Vitamin A right now for other reasons, so this is off the table, too.
So despite being lab-quality ingredients, it's still made in some guy's garage, and customer service is less than professional. Like most of Ray Peat's supporters, they're trying to reinvent the wheel and running into pitfalls with that. Contrarian people, contrarian problems. I wouldn't say definitely don't do it, though.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - theLaw - 03-21-2016 10:08 AM
(03-21-2016 8:51 AM)moe Wrote: Have you tried any other of Haidut's supplements?
M.
Yes - I've tried nearly all of them at this point.
Some worked and some didn't, so I think that it's a trial and error process. To his credit, he is making supplements at a level of purity (especially with Thyroid) unparalleled in the marketplace, so you're probably going to see a lot of feast-or-famine reactions to his products.
As for the issues with dmso, bottles, and customer service........all of these appear to be corrected......or in the process.
Haidut is testing an odor-free dmso to deal with the body-odor/garlic issue. I've never had this issue, and I use a ton of his products with dmso, so it appears to be a body-chemistry clash with the solvent.
As for the bottles, I had the same problem with Estroban, and I agree that this should have been fixed before the initial release........no excuse.
The customer service one is tricky because Haidut communicates mostly through the forum........but there should always be an easy way to contact a vendor.......again....no excuse. I've never personally had to email him, so I can't speak to that........but he does provide his email and personal phone number at the end of each Danny Roddy podcast. (you can find it on youtube or itunes)
Idealabs has great products, but they won't work for everyone, because they aren't needed by everyone.......or there is another issue with assimilation. I would definitely label them "boutique" supplements.
Haidut himself has done some incredible work on the forums with different types of testing. Here is one of the examples of how he increased his Testosterone to 1500ng/dl:
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/sexuality-and-libido-through-a-peat-prism.477/
I've always seen Haidut go out of his way to help other members, and run a solid business..........but that doesn't excuse any issue with the product or communication. If that ever changes, I'll be sure to get the word out.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - DWR - 04-23-2016 8:09 AM
(03-20-2016 7:41 AM)moe Wrote: Any update on this?
Superjoy? DWR?, Anyone?
M.
Still using it also, brought my T levels back up to where they were 15 years ago...great stuff.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - SuperJoy - 06-11-2016 7:13 AM
(03-20-2016 7:41 AM)moe Wrote: Any update on this?
Superjoy? DWR?, Anyone?
M.
My immune system crashed a few days after I started this and I discontinued it because I figured you can't really see how something works when you are sick. Im just now getting back to good health and have been eyeing the bottle on my shelve. I don't even remember why or how to apply this product tho.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - NP17 - 06-11-2016 10:17 AM
I've been getting into Peating pretty big like theLaw and DWR. I post over at the raypeatforum.com as Pointless. (trivia: NP stands for New Pointless, but that's another story).
Thankfully, the Pansterone now uses some kind of unscented DMSO that's still pharmaceutical grade. How in the hell they managed to do that, I have no frickin' clue, but it does NOT smell. (Thank God). I use 1 drop of Pansterone, applied to my penis. It does make it a little bit bigger, and it provides my testicles with the precursors to androgens. Once I get my thyroid up (I'm supplementing T3 and T4), then I expect to be able to use a bigger dose, and we'll see what this stuff can really do.
I find Pansterone to be the most problematic supplement for me, because I break out whenever I use it. It provides steroid hormones at the top level, and your body chooses which pathways to send them down depending on your state of stress. If you are loaded up with thyroid and proper nutrition, then you will get lots of progesterone, testosterone, and DHT. If you are inflamed and full of PUFAs, then it will turn into estrogen, one of the body's metabolic toxins.
I use TocoVit, Estroban, Oxidal, MitoLipin, Energin, and Kuinone, also. But thyroid is where it's at. I'm not sure I totally trust haidut's thyroid because some people have crashed their thyroid with TyroMax. I think they might've just been using too much because no one is absolutely sure exactly how potent this stuff is yet. It's just that new.
But like theLaw, I can definitely vouch that this stuff is for real, even though it sounds like some kind of fad. It has gotten rid of health problems I've had for a looong time.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - theLaw - 06-11-2016 12:39 PM
Without proper nutrition and energy........users should not expect any real changes with any of Haidut's supplements. They are very potent, and can harm anyone who is low-carb, as they support a stronger metabolic function...........V12 engine without any fuel.
Also, negative effects of these supplements can come from the lowering of stress hormones making you feel sluggish or weak. Adrenalin, for example, can make you feel incredible, but is a stress causing long-term damage.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - Spars - 06-11-2016 1:44 PM
I dropped his for a minute and just picked it back. Low carb'r here with a weekly one day 8 hour carb upload. I haven't found any sluggish effects, but I only use it in the morning. Made my beard noticeably thicker and has improved my mood.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - MMM - 01-21-2017 9:18 AM
Those who have tested and are no longer using it, and those who are still using ...
What exactly are you doing ...
How old are you, and how much are you using?
Are you just massaging it into the testicles?
Are you using this solo, or combining it with another product to get benefits?
Thanks one! Thanks all!
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - theLaw - 01-21-2017 9:23 AM
(01-21-2017 9:18 AM)MMM Wrote: Those who have tested and are no longer using it, and those who are still using ...
What exactly are you doing ...
How old are you, and how much are you using?
Are you just massaging it into the testicles?
Are you using this solo, or combining it with another product to get benefits?
Thanks one! Thanks all!
Precise application :
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/raising-serum-androgens-using-dhea-pregnenolone-and-vitamin-k.13505/
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - MMM - 01-21-2017 9:28 AM
(01-21-2017 9:23 AM)theLaw Wrote: Precise application :
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/raising-serum-androgens-using-dhea-pregnenolone-and-vitamin-k.13505/
Howdy, LawMan!
Do you have the link to make a purchase?
You're THE Peat Specialist ... I tried going in there, but it was just too much for my understanding. Do you have a link to wherever it is that Pete tells you how to raise test naturally, too? If you do, may I have it?
Mucho thanks!
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - theLaw - 01-21-2017 9:53 AM
(01-21-2017 9:28 AM)MMM Wrote: Howdy, LawMan!
Do you have the link to make a purchase?
You're THE Peat Specialist ... I tried going in there, but it was just too much for my understanding. Do you have a link to wherever it is that Pete tells you how to raise test naturally, too? If you do, may I have it?
Mucho thanks!
That link is the most effective T booster that I've seen.
Keep in mind that falling T is a symptom of broken metabolism, so all T-boosters are just dealing with the symptom itself, but not the real underlying problem.
Here is a good place to start with broad metrics about a Peat-ish diet :
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/optimal-diet-for-increasing-lifespan.4640/
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/haiduts-summary-of-pufa.7619/
I'll pm you the link for purchase, as I'm not sure the rules on here for posting links to outside products.
Cheers!
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - MMM - 01-21-2017 10:00 AM
you ROCK!
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - Muad'Dib - 01-22-2017 1:38 AM
(01-21-2017 9:23 AM)theLaw Wrote: Precise application :
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/raising-serum-androgens-using-dhea-pregnenolone-and-vitamin-k.13505/
Is this an actual mix being sold, or do we just get the individual ingredients and whip it up ourselves?
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - theLaw - 01-22-2017 9:03 AM
(01-22-2017 1:38 AM)Muad'Dib Wrote: Is this an actual mix being sold, or do we just get the individual ingredients and whip it up ourselves?
Combo of Pansterone (pregenenolone + DHEA) + Vitamin K - both sold by Idealabs owned by Haidut who posts on the Ray Peat forums. Just google search to find store.
Cheers!
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - MMM - 01-22-2017 12:05 PM
Hey, LawDude!
Are you experienced enough to tell me if I purchase Pansterone and EstroBan in which Estroban has vitamin K in it, if I still need to purchase Vitamin K, too?
Again, Thanks!!
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - theLaw - 01-22-2017 2:04 PM
(01-22-2017 12:05 PM)MMM Wrote: Hey, LawDude!
Are you experienced enough to tell me if I purchase Pansterone and EstroBan in which Estroban has vitamin K in it, if I still need to purchase Vitamin K, too?
Again, Thanks!!
Yes - the amount needed for the T protocol from that thread is much more than in Estroban, but you can try the Pansterone alone first if you like, and then add the K when you want.
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/kuinone-liquid-high-dose-vitamin-k2-mk-4-supplement.9169/
You'll need 4+ drops per application.
Keep in mind that Haidut sups are expensive, but the quality is unreal......very potent. Be sure to test in area other than testicles first. Some people have a bad initial reaction to DMSO, but that normally goes away pretty quickly. First time I used the Vitamin K sup on my arm, I had a burn mark for a week.......too many drops at once.
Estroban is a solid sup, but it usually takes something more powerful to lower estrogen in males with T issues. With the protocol listed on the thread, you should notice a change in libido/erection quality with 1-3 (no more than 3) full applications spread throughout the day, but remember, Haidut's recommended dose is always on the high side so start slow.
Cheers!
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - Muad'Dib - 01-23-2017 3:39 PM
(01-22-2017 9:03 AM)theLaw Wrote: Combo of Pansterone (pregenenolone + DHEA) + Vitamin K - both sold by Idealabs owned by Haidut who posts on the Ray Peat forums. Just google search to find store.
Cheers!
You could also just buy some other brands and mix up your own batch I presume, and get the same, if not similar results? What's the most you should go on applying this daily? I see a number of amounts by various people here. Will this make your hair fall out? I would totally miss my long flowing haaaaaaaairrrrrrrr...
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - theLaw - 01-23-2017 3:59 PM
(01-23-2017 3:39 PM)Muad'Dib Wrote: You could also just buy some other brands and mix up your own batch I presume, and get the same, if not similar results? What's the most you should go on applying this daily? I see a number of amounts by various people here. Will this make your hair fall out? I would totally miss my long flowing haaaaaaaairrrrrrrr...
Go back and read the links provided in this thread for full detailed info on dose. This is very different than mones......much more precise dosing needed with other variables in play.
You can buy these chemicals from other vendors, but as you'll see on the Ray Peat forum, Idealabs (Haidut) has a product purity nearly unparalleled in the market. Not trying to sound like a shill for this guy, but he uses DMSO to apply the chemicals trans-dermally completely bypassing the liver while getting much higher concentrations into the tissue (studies suggest that using DMSO can increase it to 10x the dose). I have not seen this offered by any other vendor.
Again, this is not a "weekend warrior" type of protocol. Please inform yourself properly before using any of these substances/protocols.
But to your point, you could buy these chemicals on Amazon and apply them using something like MCT oil and they will be absorbed......it might take a while, but nearly all of it will eventually be absorbed.
Also, will not make your hair fall out. In fact, Danny Roddy, one of the most vocal Ray Peat proponents, used Peat's methods to regrow his hair :
https://www.youtube.com/user/dannyroddy (check out video on the association between T and hair loss)
Cheers!
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - Muad'Dib - 01-23-2017 4:36 PM
(01-23-2017 3:59 PM)theLaw Wrote: Go back and read the links provided in this thread for full detailed info on dose. This is very different than mones......much more precise dosing needed with other variables in play.
You can buy these chemicals from other vendors, but as you'll see on the Ray Peat forum, Idealabs (Haidut) has a product purity nearly unparalleled in the market. Not trying to sound like a shill for this guy, but he uses DMSO to apply the chemicals trans-dermally completely bypassing the liver while getting much higher concentrations into the tissue (studies suggest that using DMSO can increase it to 10x the dose). I have not seen this offered by any other vendor.
Again, this is not a "weekend warrior" type of protocol. Please inform yourself properly before using any of these substances/protocols.
But to your point, you could buy these chemicals on Amazon and apply them using something like MCT oil and they will be absorbed......it might take a while, but nearly all of it will eventually be absorbed.
Also, will not make your hair fall out. In fact, Danny Roddy, one of the most vocal Ray Peat proponents, used Peat's methods to regrow his hair :
https://www.youtube.com/user/dannyroddy (check out video on the association between T and hair loss)
Cheers!
Thanks!
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - MMM - 01-23-2017 5:16 PM
(01-22-2017 2:04 PM)theLaw Wrote: Yes - the amount needed for the T protocol from that thread is much more than in Estroban, but you can try the Pansterone alone first if you like, and then add the K when you want.
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/kuinone-liquid-high-dose-vitamin-k2-mk-4-supplement.9169/
You'll need 4+ drops per application.
Keep in mind that Haidut sups are expensive, but the quality is unreal......very potent. Be sure to test in area other than testicles first. Some people have a bad initial reaction to DMSO, but that normally goes away pretty quickly. First time I used the Vitamin K sup on my arm, I had a burn mark for a week.......too many drops at once.
Estroban is a solid sup, but it usually takes something more powerful to lower estrogen in males with T issues. With the protocol listed on the thread, you should notice a change in libido/erection quality with 1-3 (no more than 3) full applications spread throughout the day, but remember, Haidut's recommended dose is always on the high side so start slow.
Cheers!
Glad I asked!
So far, the temples, shoulders, stomach, penis and balls are the application points for Pansterone.
My first order will be Pansterone, Kuinone, TacoVit and Energin. You wouldn't by any chance have a link to HOW TO USE ALL THOSE IN ONE DAY, WOULD YOU?
Again, you are appreciated!
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - theLaw - 01-23-2017 5:51 PM
(01-23-2017 5:16 PM)MMM Wrote: Glad I asked!
So far, the temples, shoulders, stomach, penis and balls are the application points for Pansterone.
My first order will be Pansterone, Kuinone, TacoVit and Energin. You wouldn't by any chance have a link to HOW TO USE ALL THOSE IN ONE DAY, WOULD YOU?
Again, you are appreciated!
Pansterone+Kuinone = the link I posted with application to the testicles.
Tocovit = I take orally, as it gets pretty greasy anywhere else.
Energin = I only take orally, as it's bright orange, so it will leave a stain on skin for 24hrs.
Taking them all the same day: you can just separate them by 6hrs, and you should be fine. Energin is best in the morning, so maybe Tokovit at night before bed.
Personally, I don't worry too much about the overlap unless I'm taking them all orally. Keep in mind that any product with DMSO goes right into the tissue without a pass through the liver.
Also, pay close attention to the suggested dose, and read the label carefully, as Haidut is constantly refining each mix, so sometimes a dose of 8 drops becomes 4 drops after some feedback from customers. Nothing in the Ray Peat world is user friendly yet.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - Muad'Dib - 01-25-2017 3:01 AM
One more thing, is anyone using this for bodybuilding purposes, and does anyone have anything to report on how quick your gains were, how much, better strength, etc.
RE: Pansterone dhea supplement oil - MMM - 01-25-2017 8:55 AM
(01-25-2017 3:01 AM)Muad'Dib Wrote: One more thing, is anyone using this for bodybuilding purposes, and does anyone have anything to report on how quick your gains were, how much, better strength, etc.
I will be making my purchase next week; and I plan on applying my Pansterone and Kuinone in the morning about an hour before my morning workouts. If I note anything, I'll come back and post.