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Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-08-2016 8:55 PM http://www.profumo.it/perfume/prodotto.asp?pid=177 Although pheromones play a major role in the reproductive process of all animal species, their discovery is very recent and dates from the fifties. Natural pheromones produced by few animals have been used by man since dawn of times for pharmaceutical purpose and to enhance one’s appeal and one’s sexual energy. Pheromones act in a subtle but overwhelming way through an olfactory organ dedicated to them, the Vomeronasal organ. Pheromon for men is a 100% natural fragrance whose principal components are Ambergris and Castoreum. Around the animal notes of these pheromones the perfumer has developed a manly woody olfactory accord with the perfumes of Oak Moss and Sandalwood. - See more at: http://www.profumo.it/scents-of-the-soul/Pheromone-(for-men)/pid/177#sthash.R0grpaUg.dpuf RE: Natural Pheromones - Snoopyace - 03-08-2016 9:19 PM Have you tried this? It looks interesting. RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-08-2016 9:31 PM (03-08-2016 9:19 PM)Snoopyace Wrote: Have you tried this? It looks interesting. No. Ekscentra mentioned this in another thread and I googled and found it and figured I should create a thread with the link. I would love to try it but it is so expensive. The kit of animal scents looks very intriguing, too. http://www.profumo.it/perfume/prodotto.asp?pid=2948 In fact, the whole site looks quite intriguing. RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-08-2016 9:36 PM Women's pheromones. http://www.profumo.it/perfume/prodotto.asp?pid=5050 RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-08-2016 9:42 PM http://www.sniffapaloozamagazine.com/profumointerveiwdec08.html RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-08-2016 9:54 PM http://www.basenotes.net/ID26134411.html RE: Natural Pheromones - Ekscentra - 03-08-2016 10:56 PM Here are some discussions from Profumo's group on Basenotes relating to natural pheromones: http://www.basenotes.net/group.php?discussionid=1183&do=discuss http://www.basenotes.net/group.php?discussionid=1097&do=discuss http://www.basenotes.net/group.php?discussionid=1172&do=discuss http://www.basenotes.net/group.php?discussionid=1088&do=discuss http://www.basenotes.net/group.php?discussionid=1019&do=discuss I must mention again that some of the experiments here may seem basic by the standards of this community. Most of the members of Basenotes scoff at the notion of pheromones. The exceptions still aren't quite as advanced as the pheromone community at large, in many ways, but there's quite a lot to be learned from them. It's often said that the best fragrances are composed of both natural and synthetic ingredients. I don't necessarily agree with this notion, but when it comes to pheromones, my views take a complete 180. The world of natural pheromones is a side just as important to the whole as the synthetic pheromones most of us here are familiar with. The most revered revision of A314, Royal Oil, took this philosophy to heart. The results speak for themselves. I'd love to see some members here testing natural pheromones. I personally am against the uses of civet, castoreum and deer musk on ethical grounds. Other ingredients which arguably have pheromonal or pheromone-like properties (or are said to) include but are not limited to: ambergris, sandalwood, agarwood, labdanum, spikenard, costus, hyraceum, jasmine grandiflorum, jasmine sambac, tuberose, rose, beeswax, oakmoss, vanilla, frankincense, calamus, fire tree. The list extends far beyond that point. The definition of a pheromone isn't always clear, so I'm sure some of those I've listed will be disputed. This is fine - take whatever definition you will and apply it in a way that benefits you. I consider a pheromone any ingredient which lifts off the skin and affects human behavior in a socially desirable way, consistent outside of specific life circumstances. Memory associations to certain smells can be powerful, but because they don't fit equally from one person to the next, this would not qualify a specific scent as a pheromone. For the individual in question, it may as well be. However, consistency within a specific but broad group, such as caucasians, or older women, would be considered a pheromone because there's some reasonably broad factor to account for the response. Thanks to renny for leading me to refine my definition somewhat, but again, this is merely how I see things. The definition I've given is entirely subjective. Take that as you will. I hope to see this thread grow into a large testing ground for a wide variety of natural pheromones. I'd specifically focus on the animalics since their status as pheromones are, for all intents and purposes, indisputable. This group includes civet, castoreum, deer musk, ambergris, hyraceum, and beeswax among others. I'd love to see how some of you respond to these substances (and how others around you respond) when used in isolation. Will they replicate distinct, specific effects you're familiar with, will you notice a broader, more well-rounded response, or will you discover something completely new? Combinations of these components are equally welcome, though I have a greater personal interest in discovering what they do on their own. My thought process is that these combinations will have been formulated based on smell, not optimal pheromonal benefit. Perhaps there's a connection between the two, or perhaps not. Shannon's (catlord17) own experiments leave me reconsidering whether we should treat these as pheromones to be dosed at a specific range. RE: Natural Pheromones - Ekscentra - 03-08-2016 11:35 PM There's a 20EUR discount for anyone who likes Profumo's Facebook page. This brings the price down to 160EUR. We could set up a group buy between twelve of us who happen to be interested and split an equal amount between us. This number is enough to give everyone a thorough opportunity for testing each of the animalic essences whilst bringing down the costs to an affordable level. This comes out to about 13.5EUR per person, plus slightly more to include shipping. I'd wait until at least the beginning of April to round everyone up and determine how we'll go about setting up payment. If more than 12 express interest and pay, I'll be opting out of this for that 12th to take my place. Either way, I intend to get the full kit for myself at some later point. Let me know your thoughts on this. RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-09-2016 1:09 AM (03-08-2016 11:35 PM)Ekscentra Wrote: There's a 20EUR discount for anyone who likes Profumo's Facebook page. This brings the price down to 160EUR. We could set up a group buy between twelve of us who happen to be interested and split an equal amount between us. This number is enough to give everyone a thorough opportunity for testing each of the animalic essences whilst bringing down the costs to an affordable level. This comes out to about 13.5EUR per person, plus slightly more to include shipping. I'd definitely be "in" for the group buy. RE: Natural Pheromones - jb20 - 03-09-2016 11:14 PM That is expensive than creed.lol RE: Natural Pheromones - Ekscentra - 03-10-2016 3:21 AM (03-09-2016 11:14 PM)jb20 Wrote: That is expensive than creed.lol They're 100% natural ingredients, the best you'll find on the market at that, and to top it all off, they ignore IFRA restrictions. You're getting a lot better than Creed for the price of entry. RE: Natural Pheromones - GoergeFocky - 03-10-2016 3:32 AM (03-09-2016 11:14 PM)jb20 Wrote: That is expensive than creed.lol The ingredients are way more expensive than what Creed uses. That's the only thing to lol about, the unashamed margin that Creed reeks in for their stuff, esp. the overhyped Aventus. I'm sure the Creed family has a lot of loud laughs ever since Aventus hit the market and their appeql spread beyond a mid-niche brand RE: Natural Pheromones - BAALhammon - 03-10-2016 11:34 AM If abdessalaam attar made it then it worth every cent, his family name (ATTAR) is literally translated from arabic to English as (PERFUMER), basically family names were giving hundreds of years ago to people based on their profession, some family names goes back for thousand years, but as far as I know pheromones history is new, I would say yes to any of his products but I can't give any suggestions pheromones by him, believe other phero provider like Garry, Steveo and other popular manufacturer are way more experienced on it than attar, to me a phero from attar is 50/50 or tossing a coin, the perfume from attar is a 100% great investment, still it is worth a try. RE: Natural Pheromones - Alphonse - 03-10-2016 11:45 AM (03-10-2016 11:34 AM)BAALhammon Wrote: If abdessalaam attar made it then it worth every cent, his family name (ATTAR) is literally translated from arabic to English as (PERFUMER) It's a nom de plume, not his real name. But he does make pretty perfumes. A. RE: Natural Pheromones - SuperJoy - 03-10-2016 12:57 PM (03-08-2016 11:35 PM)Ekscentra Wrote: There's a 20EUR discount for anyone who likes Profumo's Facebook page. This brings the price down to 160EUR. We could set up a group buy between twelve of us who happen to be interested and split an equal amount between us. This number is enough to give everyone a thorough opportunity for testing each of the animalic essences whilst bringing down the costs to an affordable level. This comes out to about 13.5EUR per person, plus slightly more to include shipping. Consider me listening for the details... If its something I think I can learn from, I'm in. RE: Natural Pheromones - jb20 - 03-10-2016 6:36 PM (03-10-2016 3:21 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: They're 100% natural ingredients, the best you'll find on the market at that, and to top it all off, they ignore IFRA restrictions. You're getting a lot better than Creed for the price of entry. I see. (03-10-2016 3:32 AM)GoergeFocky Wrote: The ingredients are way more expensive than what Creed uses. That's the only thing to lol about, the unashamed margin that Creed reeks in for their stuff, esp. the overhyped Aventus. I'm sure the Creed family has a lot of loud laughs ever since Aventus hit the market and their appeql spread beyond a mid-niche brand It is expensive buying a 120ml bottle from a retail store,but it is cheap to buy a decant and split.I got 120ml for $120 from a split.They do use ambergris and lb of ambergris like $10000/lb. RE: Natural Pheromones - blitz - 03-10-2016 7:09 PM I'd be in for a group buy RE: Natural Pheromones - Ekscentra - 03-10-2016 8:43 PM (03-10-2016 6:36 PM)jb20 Wrote: I see. I'd be surprised if the older modern Creeds (pre-2000, post-1980) used more than a touch of ambergris. As for Aventus and other post-2000 Creeds, I'm not sure they use any at all. Synthetics, most likely, done well enough as not to be off-putting for all but a few. RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-12-2016 4:49 AM Kit of Animal scents. http://www.profumo.it/perfume/prodotto.asp?pid=250 RE: Natural Pheromones - Alphonse - 03-12-2016 5:11 AM I made up a fresh batch of civet tincture a few days ago and the house still smells like ass and urine. :-D Civet paste, complete with civet ass hair. Civet is one of the most interesting and definitely the most capricious animalic. It will change its scent profile depending upon the material in which it is diluted, and age will increase the range of notes. Dilution matters too with 10% being overwhelmingly skatoles (think tiger's cage when it is being cleaned) and <1% a filthy and unrepentant jasmine scented tart. The animalics are pretty temperamental beasts, much harder to get right than synthetic pheromones. Get them wrong and you will repulse most people you come into contact with. A. RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-12-2016 7:17 AM Castoreum http://www.profumo.it/perfume-therapy/Castoreum/pid/5308/lang/en/ http://www.fragrantica.com/notes/Castoreum-102.html RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-12-2016 7:26 AM Tartar Leather http://www.profumo.it/natural-perfume/Tartar-leather/pid/101 RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-13-2016 2:59 PM Hyraceum http://www.profumo.it/perfume-therapy/Hyraceum/pid/5374/lang/en/ http://www.fragrantica.com/news/Hyrax-2275.html RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-13-2016 3:14 PM https://www.etsy.com/listing/179447811/castoreum-beaver-castor-perfume-tincture RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-13-2016 8:05 PM https://www.etsy.com/listing/178740601/pheromone-4-solid-parfum-7ml-natural RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-13-2016 8:34 PM Just bought some castoreum. https://www.etsy.com/listing/179447811/castoreum-beaver-castor-perfume-tincture RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-14-2016 9:06 AM I am finding this Etsy store quite intriguing. Bought a bottle of castoreum tincture. If I am happy with that will quite likely buy some civet tincture. https://www.etsy.com/shop/ApothecarysGarden?section_id=15025749 He has a compelling blog, too. https://apothecarysgarden.com/recipes-2/recipes/create-a-natural-fragrance-for-male-grooming-products/ RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-14-2016 11:25 AM Profumo scents and decants. Pheromone for Men. http://surrendertochance.com/abdessalaam-attar-profumo-it-the-scents-of-the-soul-feromone-uomo-pheremone-for-men/ RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-15-2016 4:02 PM Finding this etsy seller to have some interesting products. https://www.etsy.com/listing/256548398/pheromone-4-sport-solide-parfum-naturel RE: Natural Pheromones - Ekscentra - 03-15-2016 4:06 PM Rising Phoenix sells a number of oud oils, chips, and attars, the latter of which often contains animal-based pheromones. RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-15-2016 8:56 PM (03-15-2016 4:06 PM)Ekscentra Wrote: Rising Phoenix sells a number of oud oils, chips, and attars, the latter of which often contains animal-based pheromones.https://www.etsy.com/shop/RisingPhoenixPerfume RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-15-2016 9:26 PM https://quantumbiologist.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/musk/ RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-16-2016 9:30 AM https://www.etsy.com/listing/232004821/agar-musk-white-3ml-dhen-al-oudh-hindi RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-16-2016 3:02 PM Just got a recommendation on another forum and ordered a bottle of this. http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/171456600818?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_mwBanner=1 RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-16-2016 3:58 PM Zdravetz http://prior.floracopeia.com/store/products.php?product=Geranium-%22Zdravetz%22-Essential-Oil-1-dram-(3.75-ml) RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-16-2016 4:07 PM There are some great ancient threads over at Pheromone Talk. http://www.pheromonetalk.com/eo-complement-pheromones-531.html RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-16-2016 5:18 PM (03-12-2016 5:11 AM)Alphonse Wrote: I made up a fresh batch of civet tincture a few days ago and the house still smells like ass and urine. :-D Can you speak to its pheromonic effects? I plan to order some of this civet tincture. Have already ordered castoreum tincture from him but have not yet received it. https://www.etsy.com/listing/206435482/civet-tincture-perfume-tincture-musk RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-17-2016 10:54 PM https://apothecarysgarden.com/2015/10/25/northern-allure-how-to-make-a-high-quality-tincture-of-castoreum/ RE: Natural Pheromones - dorfmeister - 03-12-2017 8:48 AM https://joannebassett.com/natural_perfumes/collection/sacred-elixir-collection/ RE: Natural Pheromones - DrChocolate - 03-12-2017 5:15 PM This may be a silly question. And my apologies if it is. But am curious. When natural animalistic pheromones r abstracted from animals, r those animals suffering? Or r they still living? Thanks. RE: Natural Pheromones - TheManInTheFedora - 03-13-2017 3:46 AM (03-12-2017 5:15 PM)DrChocolate Wrote: This may be a silly question. And my apologies if it is. But am curious. It's most likely that the animals were harvested for their furs as well as their glands...in older times when there was no substitute. Nowadays, their are synthetic analogs which mimic (at least scentwise) the natural raw materials. Because of this, it is generally illegal to kill the animals and unnecessary. Though some of this goes on in the black market e.g., Asia/Africa. For example, deer antlers are still revered as an aphrodisiac in China. In the case of Ambergris which is whale vomit/excrement, the animals were not suffering. Nonetheless, ambergris harvesting was also outlawed...though I don't know whether that is still in place. Ambergris is rare to find on beaches, but some lucky hunters can get unreal sums of money for a soccerball sized blob. RE: Natural Pheromones - DrChocolate - 03-13-2017 3:51 AM (03-13-2017 3:46 AM)TheManInTheFedora Wrote: It's most likely that the animals were harvested for their furs as well as their glands...in older times when there was no substitute. Nowadays, their are synthetic analogs which mimic (at least scentwise) the natural raw materials. Because of this, it is generally illegal to kill the animals and unnecessary. Though some of this goes on in the black market e.g., Asia/Africa. For example, deer antlers are still revered as an aphrodisiac in China. If the animal is not suffering, then am all for it. But if there's any slightest harm for the animal am against it. From what I read, synthetic subtracts aren't as powerful as natural counterparts. Although they do do a fair bit of work. RE: Natural Pheromones - TheManInTheFedora - 03-13-2017 6:03 AM (03-13-2017 3:51 AM)DrChocolate Wrote: If the animal is not suffering, then am all for it. But if there's any slightest harm for the animal am against it. Back in the old days, the animals did suffer as they were killed for their glands. Nowadays, the use of their sacs has largely been supplanted by synthetics (at least in the western world). This is especially true of the perfume industry, not really for the pheromones. You are right in the extent that the naturals are better because most likely complex groups of fragrance chemicals with pheromonal compounds were extracted and not simply just fragrance isolates (excluding pheromones) e.g., civettone being the synthetic as opposed to the whole civit gland being processed with not only civettone, but also a plethora of other scent chemicals as well as perhaps, pheromones. Nowadays, even if one were to obtain the naturals (which is not impossible) the price can be prohibitive as sourcing/processing is expensive. Vegetable sources of musk have been obtained e.g., ambrette seeds which have musky aroma. The ambrette seeds are cheap and animals were not harmed. You can find this in Chanel Egoiste pour homme (NOT Egoiste Platinum; totally different scent) which has a musky drydown along with sandalwood, coriander notes. The ladies would love this on an elegant man who is dressed in a killer suit. http://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/Chanel/Egoiste-613.html I know that you prefer the natural essential oils, but this one is good. You can use the oils (sandalwood) to enhance the longevity of this scent. Just a thought. Good Luck Doc, and keep up the cool reports. I enjoy reading them! |