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Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-09-2016 11:53 AM
This thread is intended to discuss the mixes I'm currently working on and hope will see commercial availability in the foreseeable future. All discussion of these mixes should be directed here for future reference.
The first, Apollo, is my attempt at reverse-engineering A314. You can take a look at NP17's reports to find out how it stacks up to A314. The mix is primarily intended to emulate aspects of Rev23, though there are still a few new directions I'd like to explore before it sees wider alpha testing. Future changes will take it more in the direction of Royal Oil, combining the use of natural and synthetic pheromones.
Opus is my all-in-one fallout mix revolving around Warren's reverse-engineered P88. I extended this mix in many different directions. As of now, it's the most complex mix (in terms of components, and range of effects) in existence. I've seen so many users combining a ridiculous amount of mixes trying to achieve the fallout effect, often revolving around Nude Alpha, XiSt, and some Androstadienone -containing mix. I designed this mix in part to improve on the parts where these mixes may have come up short. The current version (almost complete) is beibg tested by 3 users right now. We'll see what they have to say on this one.
There are other projects I'm working on, attempting to bring back Pantyscorcher, to emulate aspects of MX297 and MX203. I'll update this thread should anything interesting come up.
I'm not yet a vendor at this point, just to make that clear. The moment I start selling my mixes is the moment that changes. I'm still waiting to hear back from Love-Scent and Stone Labs. Should this not work out, other options will be considered. All of these projects rely on the success of decoding the putatives.
I'm against the use of Androstadienone in general, of EST in male mixes, and Methoxyestratetraenone except in severely limited quantities (1/20th of the lowest dose reported to cause problems in men).
I'm against the use of synthetic aromachemicals as well, though I can understand why others might choose to use them. I do this for those looking to avoid any potential allergens as well as for my general preference for both the smell and aromatherapeutic/pheromonal properties of naturals. In this sense, I'm going in a similar direction to Pheromones or A314 Royal Oil.
Should anyone have any questions, I'm more than willing to answer them.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Blacky Chan - 03-09-2016 12:18 PM
How did p88 get reversed engineered? According to Ptalk it was a one of a kind batch with unknown impurities. Any attempt to recreate p88 would fail because the impurities would vary from batch to batch.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-09-2016 12:22 PM
(03-09-2016 12:18 PM)Blacky Chan Wrote: How did p88 get reversed engineered? According to Ptalk it was a one of a kind batch with unknown impurities. Any attempt to recreate p88 would fail because the impurities would vary from batch to batch.
http://www.pheromonetalk.com/p88-urge-merge-35768.html
This thread should clear things up. Knowing the exact concentration of P88 is impossible. Replicating its effects is a different matter. This project, rather than P88 itself, is what I based the initial concept on.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - andromun - 03-09-2016 12:23 PM
Looking forward in your future projects, sounds interesting. Very curious on your methods in reverse engineering A314.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-09-2016 12:38 PM
(03-09-2016 12:23 PM)andromun Wrote: Looking forward in your future projects, sounds interesting. Very curious on your methods in reverse engineering A314.
Intuition. The idea was born long before any testing took place. I had suspicions of the trace components used in Androtics' mkxes. TAK, TAF, P83. In the case of A314, androstenone had already been revealed through old posts on the Love-Scent forum. A trace was all that was needed.
Josiew sent me Steve's attempts at reverse-engineering A314 from many years back. Some of the trace components used there clicked with me instantly. I could see their use in a mix. I left out P74 - in my mind, this component wasn't necessary.
The "commander effect" I was looking for was a combination attempted a few times before. P75 + P80 was determined to create a militaristic effect, heavily intimidating. I thought they were simply using too much. Low doses of each achieved this effect.
I went easy on Androsterone at first, but in the end, ramping up the dose provided just the effects needef. Increasing the TAF helped in its own way. One component I'm still looking for is P85 - should anyone have it, that's themissing piece needed for analysis. With this, I'm convinced I can match or surpass Rev23 - direct comparisons by A314 veterans should confirm this.
There are other components I'm considering, all of which save P85 will act as trace components. I'm hoping to include these components prior to the mix receiving wider alpha testing.
The mix asit stands is a spray. However, I intend to release it initially as an oil. A beta testing phase will be used to determine whether andby how much the concentration needs to be changed with this transition. This will have been my first time formulating an oil product, though I'm confident I can nail down a solid dose.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - JJ54 - 03-09-2016 3:47 PM
The Opus mix has certainly peaked my interest. I wouldn't mind testing it out for my current experiment/project
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - TongRen - 03-09-2016 5:59 PM
(03-09-2016 3:47 PM)JJ54 Wrote: The Opus mix has certainly peaked my interest. I wouldn't mind testing it out for my current experiment/project
All three of these mixes are on my radar. With your attention to detail, I expect they will exceed the mixes they were inspired by.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - DarkLord1 - 03-09-2016 7:35 PM
Sounds interesting to me...Can't wait to see what the future holds....
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - XyzN - 03-09-2016 7:38 PM
Good luck with future testing Ekscentra! I'll keep an ear out for your stuff in the future.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - dorfmeister - 03-09-2016 8:09 PM
I am definitely really looking forward to these becoming products. I like how you are thinking about the scents, too.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - CptLeon - 03-10-2016 12:52 AM
For scenting, seeing you don't like synthetics, what would an example of scents be? When you say synthetic are you talking about oils from thefragranceshop that you can get?
Opus sounds like an interesting mix but you've said it's not really viable because of cost. You said 80$ for a 10ml spray, would it be possible to make that an Oil? I only think I'd pay that much for an oil that is purported to cause fallout. Another thing, has this caused fallout or is this just Imprinting you're talking about
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - GoergeFocky - 03-10-2016 2:48 AM
Only natural ingredients as he pointed out. In perfumery that would mean Absolues, Extracts, Essential Oils and some tinctures made from soild fragrant substances like ambergris or resins. Those can be named absolues.
I've seen other posts like yours here that imply that mainstream perfumes, and especially the expensive ones, are made for "natural" ingredients or essential oils.
That's completly false. Perfumes are composed of mostly synthetic materials (aroma chemicals), natural analouges (stil synthetic) and some natural ingredients isolated from EO's (limonene, linalool etc.). No different if it's Gucci, Armani (urgh to both), Bvlgari, Chanel, Creed, Dior, Versace or Tom Ford, Creed and Guerlain.
When they contain essential oils it's only to compound the corresponding synthetic chemicals, round them out so to speak.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-10-2016 2:56 AM
(03-10-2016 12:52 AM)CptLeon Wrote: For scenting, seeing you don't like synthetics, what would an example of scents be? When you say synthetic are you talking about oils from thefragranceshop that you can get?
Opus sounds like an interesting mix but you've said it's not really viable because of cost. You said 80$ for a 10ml spray, would it be possible to make that an Oil? I only think I'd pay that much for an oil that is purported to cause fallout. Another thing, has this caused fallout or is this just Imprinting you're talking about
At first, I'd offer a simple scent based on natural pheromones, something versatile and easy to cover. Ambergris, sandalwood, and spikenard is one possible combination I had in mind.
In the future, I'd like to offer more complex cover scents based on the chypre and fougere structures. For now, something simpler will have to su#fice.
By synthetics, I'm referring to anything that uses man-made aromachemicals. This includes nearly everything you can find on the open market, including TheFragranceShop. Many examples are pleasant - it's just not what I'm going for.
Opus is not viable to sell as-is because of costs. Bulk pricing of the needed components should bring it down to a more reasonable level.
The price I quoted was merely the price I'm aiming for, not a final price by any means. This was for the oil version of Apollo, not for Opus.
A few possible instances of fallout have occurred with testers so far. Even tried-and-true fallout mixes took a number of exposures to generate fallout. The results look promising so far, but even with the best possible purported "fallout mix," you'd still need to drive the product to result in fallout. This merely opens the doors to allow that to happen.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - sunnyday - 03-10-2016 6:32 AM
For instant fallout, I'm willing to pay what's been suggested! Keep us informed and keep up this amazing work.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-10-2016 6:53 AM
(03-10-2016 6:32 AM)sunnyday Wrote: For instant fallout, I'm willing to pay what's been suggested! Keep us informed and keep up this amazing work.
It's not "instant fallout." No mix can achieve this, it seems. One difference between Opus and the established fallout mixes is that you'll tend to start seeing results quicker - this is what tests so far have indicated.
Whether true fallout will develop is still inconclusive, but I'm hopeful based on the feedback so far. I did design the mix for fallout - if somehow it doesn't achieve these goals, I'll continue tweaking it until that changes.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - TongRen - 03-10-2016 8:20 AM
(03-10-2016 6:53 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: It's not "instant fallout." No mix can achieve this, it seems. One difference between Opus and the established fallout mixes is that you'll tend to start seeing results quicker - this is what tests so far have indicated.
Whether true fallout will develop is still inconclusive, but I'm hopeful based on the feedback so far. I did design the mix for fallout - if somehow it doesn't achieve these goals, I'll continue tweaking it until that changes.
Everything you've mentioned so far is why I get my mones unscented. Having the option to use the BEST ingredients is a big plus.
Opus, if it is everything you've purported, will be earth the cost. I would be willing to spend the money for an oil version with the scent packages you are creating.
Your efforts are taking pheromones to the next logical iteration of effectiveness.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Paradox - 03-10-2016 11:15 AM
(03-10-2016 6:53 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: It's not "instant fallout." No mix can achieve this
A314 rev 29 did have "instant fallout". This I can confirm from personal experience.
Looking forward to trying the new mixes when they are released.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - sunnyday - 03-10-2016 11:15 AM
(03-10-2016 6:53 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: It's not "instant fallout." No mix can achieve this, it seems. One difference between Opus and the established fallout mixes is that you'll tend to start seeing results quicker - this is what tests so far have indicated.
Whether true fallout will develop is still inconclusive, but I'm hopeful based on the feedback so far. I did design the mix for fallout - if somehow it doesn't achieve these goals, I'll continue tweaking it until that changes.
Apologies, didn't mean "instant fallout" (that would be worth much more!), I meant "all-in-one fallout".
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-10-2016 11:32 AM
(03-10-2016 11:15 AM)sunnyday Wrote: Apologies, didn't mean "instant fallout" (that would be worth much more!), I meant "all-in-one fallout".
Not at all. Just clearing things up.
I'd absolutely consider this an all-in-one. It seems to be a real chameleon so far in that different ranges of effects become prominent in different situations. If alpha effects are called for, that kicks into gear. Social? You got it. Romance? Same.
I imagine sexual effects will manifest themselves in the right situation as well. After all, P88 has been referred to as the 'holy grail of sex mixes.' Or perhaps I steered the mix in a direction that puts far less emphasis on the sexual aspect. That remains to be seen.
I'd love to see someone experienced with combining Nude Alpha, XiSt oil (or ETFZ), and various Androstadienone -based mixes test this one out. A comparison would be extremely valuable.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-10-2016 11:45 AM
(03-10-2016 11:15 AM)Paradox Wrote: A314 rev 29 did have "instant fallout". This I can confirm from personal experience.
Looking forward to trying the new mixes when they are released.
I stand corrected, then. Would you be willing to expand upon this? I'd like to know how you perceive this instant fallout effect.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - JJ54 - 03-10-2016 11:51 AM
(03-10-2016 11:32 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: Not at all. Just clearing things up.
I'd absolutely consider this an all-in-one. It seems to be a real chameleon so far in that different ranges of effects become prominent in different situations. If alpha effects are called for, that kicks into gear. Social? You got it. Romance? Same.
I imagine sexual effects will manifest themselves in the right situation as well. After all, P88 has been referred to as the 'holy grail of sex mixes.' Or perhaps I steered the mix in a direction that puts far less emphasis on the sexual aspect. That remains to be seen.
I'd love to see someone experienced with combining Nude Alpha, XiSt oil (or ETFZ), and various Androstadienone -based mixes test this one out. A comparison would be extremely valuable.
I've comboed NA before with either Xist or ETFZ. The effects seem to be amplified, but not as drastic as compared to NA + an Androstadienone product. I will have to find a new test subject to test all three of these in unison.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Paradox - 03-10-2016 12:15 PM
(03-10-2016 11:45 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: I stand corrected, then. Would you be willing to expand upon this? I'd like to know how you perceive this instant fallout effect.
Well...since it is your thread and all...
"Fallout is when a woman latches on to you as a result of pheromone exposure. She wants to be with you and wants to spend more time with you." I said this in a post on PheroTalk 6 years ago.
I and many others have talked about what fallout is. So it has been proven to exist.
The question is when does fallout occur. Does fallout occur when the person (user) is no longer there or when the brain first creates the memory?....lol
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - sunnyday - 03-10-2016 12:58 PM
(03-10-2016 11:32 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: Not at all. Just clearing things up.
I'd absolutely consider this an all-in-one. It seems to be a real chameleon so far in that different ranges of effects become prominent in different situations. If alpha effects are called for, that kicks into gear. Social? You got it. Romance? Same.
I imagine sexual effects will manifest themselves in the right situation as well. After all, P88 has been referred to as the 'holy grail of sex mixes.' Or perhaps I steered the mix in a direction that puts far less emphasis on the sexual aspect. That remains to be seen.
I'd love to see someone experienced with combining Nude Alpha, XiSt oil (or ETFZ), and various Androstadienone -based mixes test this one out. A comparison would be extremely valuable.
I have been using Xist oil + NA + Imprint (also used cohesion instead) recently but am way too inexperienced with mones compared to the users I have been following to be able to test this out. Much as I want, and can't wait, to test this out. Argh!!
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - 2000GT - 03-10-2016 2:59 PM
Like a lot of the members here, I'll be watching your progress with great interest. Folks have tried for years to replicate A314 and most have either failed or come close. You and I haven't agreed with each other in the past but I can definitely agree that your intuition with Pheromones appears to be quite extensive. Good luck dude, you've got a lot of guys who are keeping their fingers crossed for ya.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-10-2016 8:49 PM
(03-10-2016 12:15 PM)Paradox Wrote: Well...since it is your thread and all...
"Fallout is when a woman latches on to you as a result of pheromone exposure. She wants to be with you and wants to spend more time with you." I said this in a post on PheroTalk 6 years ago.
I and many others have talked about what fallout is. So it has been proven to exist.
The question is when does fallout occur. Does fallout occur when the person (user) is no longer there or when the brain first creates the memory?....lol
I think you may have misunderstood my question. I was asking about your personal experiences. What makes you consider A314 Rev.29 an "instant fallout" mix as opposed to a slow-building fallout mix?
I think the initial memory holds some degree of importance, but that future experiences compound that memory until the idea of you reaches the point of obsession. I think a combination of what you and I have mentioned are key aspects to the whole of the fallout process.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-10-2016 8:54 PM
(03-10-2016 2:59 PM)2000GT Wrote: Like a lot of the members here, I'll be watching your progress with great interest. Folks have tried for years to replicate A314 and most have either failed or come close. You and I haven't agreed with each other in the past but I can definitely agree that your intuition with Pheromones appears to be quite extensive. Good luck dude, you've got a lot of guys who are keeping their fingers crossed for ya.
We don't always have to agree. I still value your experience regardless of past disagreement. The same can be said for any other member here - I refuse to hold grudges. More than a few times, I've been the one in the wrong. I think it's time to move beyond that point.
I'd love to see how this mix compares to XS170, if only for the thrill of competition. Pushing the art of pheromones forward is a truly exhilarating thing.
I appreciate the comments, and I look forward to hearing your thoughts when this idea finally comes to light.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - NP17 - 03-10-2016 9:15 PM
Uhh you know thread titles can be edited, right?
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-10-2016 9:20 PM
(03-10-2016 9:15 PM)NP17 Wrote: Uhh you know thread titles can be edited, right?
Not that I'm aware of. I'm seeing no option to edit this thread title.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - CptLeon - 03-10-2016 9:39 PM
(03-10-2016 9:20 PM)Ekscentra Wrote: Not that I'm aware of. I'm seeing no option to edit this thread title.
Go to your first post you made and click edit and choose Full edit
You'll be able to edit the title then
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Mars82 - 03-10-2016 9:44 PM
I'd be interested in Opus and your Panty Scorcher version. I wish you success.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-10-2016 10:03 PM
(03-10-2016 9:39 PM)CptLeon Wrote: Go to your first post you made and click edit and choose Full edit
You'll be able to edit the title then
That's what I'm saying. There is no edit function. Otherwise, fixing the thread title would be no problem at all.
@Mars82
I appreciate the kind words! I,hope the mixes live up to your expectations when they finally become available. Just to make sure there isn't any misunderstanding, Pantyscorcher is not confirmed yet. I do intend to re-release the mix, but without the go-ahead from Shannon, I won't give it a second thought. I won't even be posing the question until I can be sure I'm also in a position to release the other mixes in the works.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - CptLeon - 03-10-2016 10:30 PM
(03-10-2016 10:03 PM)Ekscentra Wrote: That's what I'm saying. There is no edit function. Otherwise, fixing the thread title would be no problem at all.
@Mars82
I appreciate the kind words! I,hope the mixes live up to your expectations when they finally become available. Just to make sure there isn't any misunderstanding, Pantyscorcher is not confirmed yet. I do intend to re-release the mix, but without the go-ahead from Shannon, I won't give it a second thought. I won't even be posing the question until I can be sure I'm also in a position to release the other mixes in the works.
Oh, yeah I see what you mean. I have some threads I can and can't edit anymore. I dont know why it's doing that..
Hey Ekscentra, I was wondering if Opus would be oil(dpg) or alcohol based? And one more thing, you seem to have the formula in order so when do you think (if you were given the go-ahead) you can think you might first start to sell. In weeks, months? Oh, and what kind of mix is Opus based on? E. None, A. None, Androsterone? Is it a status mix or Alpha or social? I just am trying to think of what you're trying to make it like.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - renny - 03-10-2016 10:49 PM
Thread titles can be fixed, PM me with what you need done.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Inconceivablezen - 03-11-2016 2:10 AM
I've got 1ml of Rev 17 (Mutant edition) left. Just let me know if you can use it, Ekscentra!
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - dsouza - 03-11-2016 7:42 AM
Eskcentra
Have you started to choose your beta testing team for Apollo ? My interest in testing this particular mone is peaked ;)
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-11-2016 11:15 AM
(03-10-2016 10:30 PM)CptLeon Wrote: Hey Ekscentra, I was wondering if Opus would be oil(dpg) or alcohol based? And one more thing, you seem to have the formula in order so when do you think (if you were given the go-ahead) you can think you might first start to sell. In weeks, months? Oh, and what kind of mix is Opus based on? E. None, A. None, Androsterone? Is it a status mix or Alpha or social? I just am trying to think of what you're trying to make it like.
Opus will be released as an alcohol-based formulation, though an oil is not out of the question in the future.
The components needed are mostly in check. However, a large portion of these components are coded. A decoding project is currently taking place. If all goes well, you may see these mixes on the market sometime within the next year. I don't expect this process to take more than two years (worst-case scenario).
Opus contains more Androsterone than any mix I'm aware of: 125mcg per optimum application. However, the base components (the drivers, the foundation) are Androstatrione, P90, P93, and P81, as per Warren's reverse-engineering efforts.
The remainder of the mix is built around eliminating the undesirable effects whilst keeping or improving upon the desirable effects. Unlike the original P88-based mixes, you could easily pull this off at work.
Opus is an all-in-one mix. It's status, social, bonding, and (possible, not yet confirmed by reports) sexual. I intended it to be a complete product, not something you'd ever need to add to. I see all manner of complex bonding combos throughout this forum. What I'm hoping to provide here is a missing link, what all of these combos have been falling short of in the user's mind. That's part of the goal here.
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-11-2016 11:29 AM
(03-11-2016 2:10 AM)Inconceivablezen Wrote: I've got 1ml of Rev 17 (Mutant edition) left. Just let me know if you can use it, Ekscentra!
Until the analysis efforts prove effective enough to decipher more common variations of A314, I'd hold on to that one. I'd hate to waste a mix so hard to come by.
(03-11-2016 7:42 AM)dsouza Wrote: Eskcentra
Have you started to choose your beta testing team for Apollo ? My interest in testing this particular mone is peaked ;)
Beta testing might not take place for many months, when I have all of the identities of the molecules I need. Consider this more of an alpha test. This should be ready in a few months at most, one month at least.
I'm focusing on A314 veterans here, though I suppose I may be able to include a few others. Here are the testers I have in mind. If you see your name on this list, please express your interest (or lack thereof) in order for me to finalize the alpha testing group. I'll contact any of those who don't see this thread within a week:
andromun
Dssmaster
Fishdude
Inconceivablezen
Paradox
Samus
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Mars82 - 03-11-2016 8:14 PM
Great team of testers! All trustworthy members.
I haven't tried A314, but I had some products that attempted to replicate it (APi, etc.) that are also heavy in Androsterone (I don't know if I'm correct with this statement). All of these products gave me negative self effects in terms of dizziness, lethargy and short-temper. Probably a big dose of androsterone doesn't agree with me.
Anyway, all the best in your trials.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-11-2016 8:34 PM
(03-11-2016 8:14 PM)Mars82 Wrote: Great team of testers! All trustworthy members.
I haven't tried A314, but I had some products that attempted to replicate it (APi, etc.) that are also heavy in Androsterone (I don't know if I'm correct with this statement). All of these products gave me negative self effects in terms of dizziness, lethargy and short-temper. Probably a big dose of androsterone doesn't agree with me.
Anyway, all the best in your trials.
APi apparently attempted to replicate some of the moresocial variations of A314. This explains why I wasn't impressed with it - I was looking for a completely different product in that one, and I typically prefer for a social alpha product to do more (think Wolf or Style).
RE: Apo)lo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Paradox - 03-14-2016 5:39 AM
(03-11-2016 11:29 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: Here are the testers I have in mind. If you see your name on this list, please express your interest (or lack thereof) in order for me to finalize the alpha testing group. I'll contact any of those who don't see this thread within a week:
andromun
Dssmaster
Fishdude
Inconceivablezen
Paradox
Samus
I'm always up for testing. Nice list, you have some great Vets on here.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - andromun - 03-14-2016 12:36 PM
Thank you for putting me on that list. I do look forward in seeing your project come through.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Inconceivablezen - 03-14-2016 12:43 PM
Thanks for putting me on that list! I'll have some extensive reports for you, and will take up my journal again to do some testing
Anything I can do for good feedback.
I'm honored that you consider me a "veteran"
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - kerno - 03-14-2016 12:59 PM
I would let Phertest test it, his reviews on his site are very good and accurate, he also cracked BW and VooDoo before everyone/most did
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Alphonse - 03-14-2016 1:09 PM
(03-14-2016 12:59 PM)kerno Wrote: I would let Phertest test it, his reviews on his site are very good and accurate, he also cracked BW and VooDoo before everyone/most did
His site is an affilate marketing site.
His reviews are "good and accurate" because they are pretty much a summary of what is already posted on these forums. Except for the stuff that's been lifted from dbot's forum.
But for an affiliate contract, I'm sure he'll write a great review (plus you'll have photos of pretty women). Conyo, I'm sure he doesn't even need a bottle to get started.
A.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Spars - 03-14-2016 3:43 PM
Man oh man! To be so influential on the boards as to be apart of a testing group! Good luck to one and all!
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - kerno - 03-14-2016 4:42 PM
(03-14-2016 1:09 PM)Alphonse Wrote: His site is an affilate marketing site.
His reviews are "good and accurate" because they are pretty much a summary of what is already posted on these forums. Except for the stuff that's been lifted from dbot's forum.
But for an affiliate contract, I'm sure he'll write a great review (plus you'll have photos of pretty women). Conyo, I'm sure he doesn't even need a bottle to get started.
A.
I've been scammed !!
I know it's an affiliate site, however it gives good and honest reviews. I also had some mails with him and I don't think he just does it for the money. If opus, apollo, etc. are going to kill it and he's not going to write a review about it, then he's only in for the money for sure. But this is going off topic
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - moe - 03-15-2016 8:39 AM
That sounds greeeeaaaaat!
There are definitely exciting times ahead. Thanks E. and good luck
(I would rep you but I cant')
M.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Samus - 03-23-2016 9:05 PM
Hell yes!
Sign me up and send me a bill!
I appreciate your efforts and your invitations, E
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Fishdude - 03-24-2016 12:44 AM
Sounds exciting! I'm in.
FD
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Spars - 03-24-2016 8:29 AM
Let us know when you want to start selling small batches, if at all! Would like to get in on that!
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - DssMaster - 03-24-2016 1:48 PM
Hey Eskcentra, thanks for putting me on the list of testers, looking forward to taking Apollo out for a spin once it is ready for beta testing.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-31-2016 4:59 PM
Update: on fallout, I think Paradox was absolutely right - even with the most exceptionally-built foundations, true fallout is still not quite within reach. With the help of NP17, we may now know what causes fallout. The molecule I have in mind is one you're all familiar with. I won't say what it is, but I'm sure you can guess on this one.
I was looking for P85 to create this effect before (and still looking for it now), but this other molecule - possibly in a more complex combination - should be able to achieve fallout with ease. I intend for this to appear in three of the mixes I'm working on, including both Apollo and Opus. Stay tuned.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Samus - 03-31-2016 9:21 PM
Man, I am so freaking excited about this!
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - kerno - 04-01-2016 2:44 AM
Me too, if it works I'm probably going to buy a lifetime supply
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Mr. E 3 - 04-01-2016 3:05 AM
This sounds really interesting.
Ok, I'm very new to pheromones. I have yet to study what is in my current (and first) purchase, which is Certo.
So I'll do all the studying myself and won't bother you with newbie questions.
There is one thing you said though:
"I'm against the use of Androstadienone in general, of EST in male mixes, and Methoxyestratetraenone except in severely limited quantities (1/20th of the lowest dose reported to cause problems in men)."
Why are you against the use of those?
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - GoergeFocky - 04-01-2016 3:38 AM
I start the Fallout-molecule guesswork, and grab the opportunity to brag about this little thingy of mine:
I've been experimenting a lot with my interpretation of my favourite Androtics product, Instant Shine.
After I achieved a good approximation of it, that provided every effect that I like about it (Mood-improvement, fluency, increased confidence, mood enhancement to those around, respect, attraction espc. from younger girls and beautifying), I added some -Androsterone and low dose -Androstenone. Two of three known components of Ammo, keeping in mind that Ammo+Shine was once a very popular and effective combo in AD's better days.
I left out Alpha Androstenol, which I more and more consider a molecule with more negative than positve effects in male/andor phero blends (also Epiandrosterone, there are many good male blends that include both though) Instead, I included Androstanone, a much more suitable -none moderator in male mixes i.m.o.
It's a roughly 50/50 dpg/ethanol carrier because some of the molecules I used came in alc, some in dpg.
I got approximately, at 2 drops:
4mcg Androsterone, 1mcg None, 2mcg Androstanone, 10mcg Androsterone-S, 5mcg Dheas-S, 1mcg Dhea.
This one is very "malish", alpha and yet social and friendly. Attractive and attention grabbing also. To me it's perfect as a potential day-to-day mix, as perfect as it get's with limited knowhow and molecules at my disposal. It's also delibaretely kept simple.
I had a very small amount left of -atrione, diluted down to ~5mcg a drop. This precious rest I deemed worthy for testing alongside my mix. Always when around my girl. 4 days in a row.
Then I added 12,5 mcg of P106 for another 3 days, interceeded with days off, then my atrione finally ran out.
Shortly after that, my girl travelled for 10 days. She travels a lot in her job, so it's a familiar occurence about which we don't make a big fuss, no melodramatic longing stuff, quite the contrary. sometimes we keep radio silence for days.
Not this time. Boy, was she home- and lovesick, calling and messaging everyday, with emotions never verbalised before, in a manner like never before.
I have worn A314 and Androstadienone around her, among other stuff - but those two especially in our courting time. Also NA. But such effects and reactions I've never seen in her. This might just fall into the category of mone-induced fallout.
All mentionend molecules are known, P106 and -Atrione the least widely used.
My guess is one of those two, in combination with -Androsterone, probably Androsterone-S as well, is likely to cause hefty falloutish reactions. If I had to guess, I'd pick -Atrione as the molecule Ekscentra alluded to above.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 04-01-2016 7:41 AM
(04-01-2016 3:05 AM)Lucifer Wrote: There is one thing you said though:
"I'm against the use of Androstadienone in general, of EST in male mixes, and Methoxyestratetraenone except in severely limited quantities (1/20th of the lowest dose reported to cause problems in men)."
Why are you against the use of those?
Androstadienone causes depression in some users. In my case, I get this regardless of what it's combined with. I can't wear it in any amounts or in seemingly any combination. It's also been noted to cause weight gain in rare instances.
EST castrates mixes, making them far less intimidating. This, unfortunately, ends up going a little overboard. Even small amounts can change the nature of a mix in a way I feel is undesirable. It's possible that dosages in the picogram range or lower will offer some positive effect, but I'm yet to test this.
Methoxyestratetraenone , although feared for its carcinogenic properties, should truly be avoided due to the potential for weight gain. This has only been noted at significantly higher doses than what I'm using here. On cancer, there has not been a single reported instance of even the heaviest Methoxyestratetraenone users getting cancer through pheromonal use, even after a period of over a decade..
I believe that, used carefully and in minute quantities, Methoxyestratetraenone 's dangers can be rectified. If you wish to avoid this molecule at any dose, I'll reveal which of my mixes put it to use so that you can make an informed purchase. This will include Opus (at about 1/20th of the dose noted to cause problems) and I'm considering it for Apollo (in trace amounts less than 1% of the problematic dose). I'm willing to formulate the mix without Methoxyestratetraenone by request only.
Alternatively, you can choose to spray this molecule on clothing to be on the safe side. In my opinion this is unnecessary at the doses used here. Some of the mixes many of you already use on skin contain Methoxyestratetraenone as well - I won't name which mixes these are, but the fact that no problems have been reported over the years bodes well for my use of Methoxyestratetraenone here. If this should change, I'll remove them from my mixes immediately. For now, I find it an extremely beneficial component.
Assuming Androtics' Methoxyestratetraenone (which was often used at much lower doses) is the same as True Pheromones' Methoxyestratetraenone , low-dose usage has not resulted in any problems for over a decade of use. I'm always concerned for the safety of consumers, but I'm more worried about Androstadienone than this.
It's a bit of a long-winded explanation, but I hope that clears things up.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Paradox - 04-01-2016 10:09 AM
(03-31-2016 4:59 PM)Ekscentra Wrote: Update: on fallout, I think Paradox was absolutely right
*Paradox faints*
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Paradox - 04-01-2016 10:43 AM
(04-01-2016 7:41 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: EST castrates mixes.....
*Paradox gets up but then faints again*
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 04-01-2016 2:50 PM
(04-01-2016 10:43 AM)Paradox Wrote: *Paradox gets up but then faints again*
I've agreed with you on this for a long time, haha. To this point, I've found no way to put EST to use in a mix without completely destroying a mix. It may be that it needs less - I'd definitely like to test this at some point.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Mr. E 3 - 04-02-2016 2:15 AM
(04-01-2016 7:41 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: It's a bit of a long-winded explanation, but I hope that clears things up.
It does. My main concern would be EST. I don't get depression from androstadienone. And from meth-something (sorry, I don't have all the names memorized yet) I don't expect any problems, based on your explanation. So that leaves EST. It castrates a mix as you call it. But can't that sometimes be useful if you want to create a milder mix? Or a milder version of an existing mix?
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 04-02-2016 6:54 AM
(04-02-2016 2:15 AM)Lucifer Wrote: It does. My main concern would be EST. I don't get depression from androstadienone. And from meth-something (sorry, I don't have all the names memorized yet) I don't expect any problems, based on your explanation. So that leaves EST. It castrates a mix as you call it. But can't that sometimes be useful if you want to create a milder mix? Or a milder version of an existing mix?
Some love using or wearing EST for this purpose. I don't consider it an efficient way of achieving a milder mix, but some will surely disagree with me. You'll have to find for yourself whether the effect is a desirable one.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - KoiBecomeDragon - 05-10-2016 10:43 PM
Hey Eks,
I'd love to be involved if you'd let me.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - lullijomazaa - 05-12-2016 3:01 AM
As much as I would love to, I think testing is for the pros who have
been here for a number of years.
I am in line for the first batch for sale though having had excellent results
with Love Scent A314 in 2008 and been waiting for a replacement close to
that ever since.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - dh99 - 05-14-2016 12:20 PM
Hey Eks,
I am new to the forum, but old time user of A314, and do count me in for paid testing purposes
Thanks & appreciate the effort
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - VishRemma - 05-17-2016 12:14 PM
Following closely Eks...keep up the good work!
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - WCHeartBreaker - 05-18-2016 2:51 AM
Someone please tell me to to search what the hell A314 is and what the hell it does... I'm too lazy and short of time but it sounds like it was a popular beast of a mone.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Spars - 05-18-2016 8:35 AM
What the hell? We don't spoon feed here. I think that's what you're asking for??
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - PheroC - 05-18-2016 10:06 AM
To be honest, I havent tried A314 before but based on the hype and reviews from the old users, PLEASE MAKE APOLLO HAPPEN. I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO ORDER
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - SmellBoy - 05-18-2016 10:33 AM
I'd welcome the opportunity to try Apollo as well, thanks.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - WCHeartBreaker - 05-19-2016 12:37 AM
(05-18-2016 8:35 AM)Spars Wrote: What the hell? We don't spoon feed here. I think that's what you're asking for??
Haha no I wasn't... I forgot how poorly sarcasm translates over the internet. Don't worry about it.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - 1Trajan - 05-19-2016 8:23 PM
I have been burned by Royale, if Apollo is what A314 is supposed to be, my friend you know I'm in.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 06-12-2016 10:32 PM
As much as I would have loved to make this happen by the end of the summer, a number of complications lately have made this impossible. Realistically, I'm going to have to push this off until at least early next year. Being that this is a spray formula designed to offer incredible diffusion, a winter test would prove a better environment for testing purposes (longevity, on the other hand, would be better assessed in the summer months).
The formula is nearly finished. I've considered numerous possible additions and narrowed it down to just three more than what's in the current formula. The scent base is remains in the early stages of development - as of now, I'm still nailing down the ideal ratios of aromachemicals to be used here. Although I considered sticking exclusively to naturals, I've found the best approach to be a combination of the two, with naturals taking up over 98% of the formula.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Jimmycrack - 06-12-2016 11:11 PM
(06-12-2016 10:32 PM)Ekscentra Wrote: As much as I would have loved to make this happen by the end of the summer, a number of complications lately have made this impossible. Realistically, I'm going to have to push this off until at least early next year. Being that this is a spray formula designed to offer incredible diffusion, a winter test would prove a better environment for testing purposes (longevity, on the other hand, would be better assessed in the summer months).
The formula is nearly finished. I've considered numerous possible additions and narrowed it down to just three more than what's in the current formula. The scent base is remains in the early stages of development - as of now, I'm still nailing down the ideal ratios of aromachemicals to be used here. Although I considered sticking exclusively to naturals, I've found the best approach to be a combination of the two, with naturals taking up over 98% of the formula.
Is this on kickstarter? Sounds like your assays are done?
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 06-13-2016 1:01 AM
(06-12-2016 11:11 PM)Jimmycrack Wrote: Is this on kickstarter? Sounds like your assays are done?
We're not quite that far along yet. There have been some complications with the assays which I won't go into here. There's little question to me whether this will get done. I'm less certain about the timing.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - lullijomazaa - 08-25-2016 1:42 AM
Hi Eks, any further update on Apollo launch ?
This is on my list as "Confirmed Purchase"
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - dh99 - 09-03-2016 2:02 AM
(06-13-2016 1:01 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: We're not quite that far along yet. There have been some complications with the assays which I won't go into here. There's little question to me whether this will get done. I'm less certain about the timing.
Hi Eks, need update from you, are you lunching for beta-testing at least, I have been holding on my next purchase of work-mix.
Thanks,
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 09-11-2016 12:21 PM
(09-03-2016 2:02 AM)dh99 Wrote: Hi Eks, need update from you, are you lunching for beta-testing at least, I have been holding on my next purchase of work-mix.
Thanks,
Hey dh99,
While I'm responsible for formulating the mixes, I'm not the one preparing them. My schedule in business school leaves too little free time to commit to all aspects of this project. Additional tweaks have been made to Apollo. Unfortunately, I can't give any reasonable estimate as to when beta testing will commence. I'll keep this thread updated as new information comes in.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - BigDickBandit420 - 02-24-2017 1:28 PM
Is there any new news?
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 02-28-2017 12:11 PM
(02-24-2017 1:28 PM)BigDickBandit420 Wrote: Is there any new news?
Nothing yet, unfortunately. My partner was set to contact me two weeks ago - as of today, I'm yet to receive an update.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - dsouza - 03-27-2017 3:01 AM
Ekscentra
You know of my current situation with Apollo... I even tried contacting your partner via PM but no response... Any idea how you're going to handle this? Think Risk Management
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-27-2017 11:31 AM
(03-27-2017 3:01 AM)dsouza Wrote: Ekscentra
You know of my current situation with Apollo... I even tried contacting your partner via PM but no response... Any idea how you're going to handle this? Think Risk Management
Given the nature of the situation, the only thing to do is to sit back and wait. My partner experienced a number of financial. Once that's taken care of, things can begin moving forward. I'll update this thread as new information arises.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - upsidedown - 03-27-2017 12:03 PM
Sounds good, but why this:
"I'm against the use of Androstadienone in general, of EST in male mixes, and Methoxyestratetraenone except in severely limited quantities (1/20th of the lowest dose reported to cause problems in men)."
I love androstdienone, especially since it turns into none over time. Which makes for a great romatic to sexual transistion.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 03-28-2017 6:32 AM
(03-27-2017 12:03 PM)upsidedown Wrote: Sounds good, but why this:
"I'm against the use of Androstadienone in general, of EST in male mixes, and Methoxyestratetraenone except in severely limited quantities (1/20th of the lowest dose reported to cause problems in men)."
I love androstdienone, especially since it turns into none over time. Which makes for a great romatic to sexual transistion.
Regardless of how much I use, or how I've attempted to buffer, Androstadienone is 100% useless to me due to the depressive self-effects. A number of other men experience similar effects to a lesser extent. I'd much prefer to challenge myself to come up with something more effective without the downsides of an Androstadienone -based mix.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - XyzN - 05-27-2017 7:22 PM
(03-28-2017 6:32 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: Regardless of how much I use, or how I've attempted to buffer, Androstadienone is 100% useless to me due to the depressive self-effects.
Yeah this blows. I used to think I wasn't affected by Androstadienone , but I think it was just placebo keeping me hopeful. After a while I came to find Androstadienone after a couple days of wearing REALLY takes a toll on my thoughts (as well as headaches)
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Kalzon - 06-23-2017 12:57 PM
(03-28-2017 6:32 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: Regardless of how much I use, or how I've attempted to buffer, Androstadienone is 100% useless to me due to the depressive self-effects. A number of other men experience similar effects to a lesser extent. I'd much prefer to challenge myself to come up with something more effective without the downsides of an Androstadienone -based mix.
Hi Ekscentra, I wanted to check your progress in the experiment, when I read your old post about it in a314 thread. Paradox showed me this link.
Be it silent, or turtle steps, keep up your good work. Things shall come together sooner.
I am not a tester, I still am playing my own purchaces from various vendors, but as I read somewhere in discover forums, one of the P molecules I suppose the P86..... ? Repilicates the same effects of Androstadienone -minus the depressiveness and drowsiness. May be you know already? I tried to find the post but couldn't.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Spider-mone - 06-23-2017 1:15 PM
(06-23-2017 12:57 PM)Kalzon Wrote: one of the P molecules I suppose the P86..... ? Repilicates the same effects of Androstadienone
You mean p96
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Kalzon - 06-23-2017 1:34 PM
(06-23-2017 1:15 PM)Spider-mone Wrote: You mean p96
I think.....yes that. The P96. No negative effects on men they said.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 06-24-2017 4:27 AM
(06-23-2017 12:57 PM)Kalzon Wrote: Hi Ekscentra, I wanted to check your progress in the experiment, when I read your old post about it in a314 thread.
The mix is complete at this point - lack of funding is the main issue, and with little communication from my former partner, it's looking like a solo venture once again. It may not be for another 2 years before this project comes to fruition (much later than I'd previously anticipated), but we'll see what happens in the meantime.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - purpleblood - 06-24-2017 11:08 PM
(06-24-2017 4:27 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: The mix is complete at this point - lack of funding is the main issue, and with little communication from my former partner, it's looking like a solo venture once again. It may not be for another 2 years before this project comes to fruition (much later than I'd previously anticipated), but we'll see what happens in the meantime.Hi E can you send me a Sample for testing? I can pay for shipping through paypal.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Ekscentra - 06-24-2017 11:34 PM
(06-24-2017 11:08 PM)purpleblood Wrote: Hi E can you send me a Sample for testing? I can pay for shipping through paypal.
Sorry, nothing is available at this time. I should have made that clearer in the previous post.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Recognizer - 10-13-2017 1:29 PM
(06-24-2017 4:27 AM)Ekscentra Wrote: The mix is complete at this point - lack of funding is the main issue, and with little communication from my former partner, it's looking like a solo venture once again. It may not be for another 2 years before this project comes to fruition (much later than I'd previously anticipated), but we'll see what happens in the meantime.
Hi Ekscentra,
What do you require in terms of funds to proceed with development of Apollo and to bring its release back on track? You can PM me if you don't want to disclose such information openly. Regards R.
RE: Apollo, Opus, and Other Future Projects - Plainchaos - 10-15-2017 8:02 AM
Damn I signed up and read this thread hopping when I got to the last page it would be released lol