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Unrealistic Expectations - thundr - 09-26-2012 12:00 PM
This post is not directed to anyone or anything in particular. It is a generalized observation that is intent on the understanding of what pheromones do and do not do.
I want to make it clear that pheromones are nothing more than fancy cologne. It is an accessory that is meant to accentuate an existing persona/aura. They are not magic. This is not an axe commercial. They do not work miracles. You cannot put on pheromones and be transported to a land that is meant only for hollywood movies and commercials.
"Urgent Help needed. This morning I walked into the office of my boss and punched him in the face. Is there a pheromone that will get me out of trouble?"
No. You are in it up to your knees and probably soon to be unemployed. Make adult decisions, get adult results.
"My cat climbed up a tree and can't get down. Are there any combinations of pheromones I can put on me that will make it come down faster?"
No. Call the local fire department or bait it with cat treats.
"I was raised in the woods by a pack of badgers, are there any products that can get me laid tonight at a club?"
No. You belong in a zoo not a club.
"I am working hard to better myself and would like something extra to give me a slight edge on the competition whether it be in the club, office, or at home."
Yes. Read some reviews find out what you are looking to achieve and many here will be happy to help you learn.
Look, pheromones are not magic bullets. They represent at max 10% of the aura you project. That leaves 90% up to YOU. Of that 10%, there is a fraction that is a variable that is dependent on the personality type, race, gender, current mood, etc. of the people you will be interacting with.
To be honest, the overall effect of these little chemicals are rather insignificant compared to the aura you project to the rest of the world. Sure, some subtleties will peek through but the majority of the work has to be done by the wearer. One must realize that if your personality does not represent what you are trying to portray to the world, you are in essence.. just an actor in some perceived axe commercial.
Basically in a nutshell you get out of pheromones what you put into the world yourself. The more of YOU that is placed into reality, the less you are dependent on mones and are able to have fun with it as a sociological hobby, not dire necessity to overshadow laziness and major personality flaws.
Nothing is free.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - Fly So Hi - 09-26-2012 12:19 PM
I agree with everything but the "10% max" part. I'd say it's more like 1/4th, sometimes 1/3rd.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - thundr - 09-26-2012 12:34 PM
(09-26-2012 12:19 PM)Fly So Hi Wrote: I agree with everything but the "10% max" part. I'd say it's more like 1/4th, sometimes 1/3rd.
Thats strange Fly. What makes you think its more than 10%? I was actually giving out a higher number compared to what I really feel. I think realistically its more like 5% mones actually.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - zerosix85 - 09-26-2012 12:35 PM
Pheromones are only a crutch if you let them be. The same way you can tell the difference between an amateur and a professional by judging their craftsmanship.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - smartkid - 09-26-2012 12:38 PM
10% seems too little, under the right circumstances it can even be over 50%, however I do agree that ultimately it's still down to the wearer. Pheromones are extremely powerful 'chemicals' as they work at the subconscious(instinct) level and only 70% of our thoughts and emotions are actually on a subconscious level.
The thing about mones is that the longer you use it, the more powerful they seem to become(not around the same people though).
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - Fly So Hi - 09-26-2012 1:07 PM
(09-26-2012 12:34 PM)thundr Wrote: Thats strange Fly. What makes you think its more than 10%? I was actually giving out a higher number compared to what I really feel. I think realistically its more like 5% mones actually.
Hey thundr
Well, i think smartkid said it all. I agree it doesn't help to put on AV and act like a loser, but i'd say in this case your 2/3rds loser aura are overcoming the 1/3rd sexy son of a bitch aura. I've had strangers rubbing their asses on my dick at the subway, girls I just got to know almost grabbing my wiener in work environments... Pheromones are powerful man, and i agree 100% the final decision is completely up to you, but man! Do they give you an extra edge!
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - halo0073 - 09-26-2012 1:17 PM
you must have a most lovable weiner;)
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - thundr - 09-26-2012 1:17 PM
50%or more is way too high. I have never let any accessory take 50% or more of influence in my interactions with other people. There is no way that 1 in 2 people I come across is affected by the pheromones. This is assuming a reasonable dose and not 5 drops of New Pheromone Additive straight no chaser. LOL
I say 10% as a high number because that is my personal estimate and experience. I can walk into a room with no mones and have nearly the same exact experience as if I was wearing pheromones. When I first started I would say that maybe 20% because I was generating the hits and it was with fb etoh Glace. Nothing so far Ive noticed has ever produced hits like that.
Subsequently, I also notice that the more experience I get and the more passive I am with them the lower that percentage goes.
I would say that mones account for 5% of the hits during my day. The rest is me and how I am speaking and what mood Im in. Realistically.
Many other factors also affect interaction ie. the mood others are in, whether they have a cold and cant breathe thru their nose, are they in range, how old they are, the temperature, is it raining, spacial allowance is it crowded, inside or outside, etc.
In fact, I rarely think about the mones anymore. They are nothing more than cologne to me now. I forget I have them on and go about my day or night. Occasionally some blatant hit will make me think "shit I have on Vibe and New Pheromone Additive.. that was crazy." but not often. Sometimes a reapp of a short lasting product will sometimes remind me as well. Most of the time I think back on the day or night after the adventure is finished whether it be work or play. I feel it is entirely realistic to say that out of 5 hours of partying 15 minutes of that is actually attributed to mone type hits. The other 285 minutes are what I am doing and how I am interacting with everyone. If I were to go sit at a bar for 5 hours and sit quiet and still, there is no way that 50% or 1 out of 2 people are going to be affected by what I am wearing.
Ive gone moneless and had more hits than when I have had on mones. I look back and realize I didnt even put on any today and Im getting hits like I was wearing product x. Its all about interaction and what the individual brings forth.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - Fly So Hi - 09-26-2012 1:18 PM
(09-26-2012 1:17 PM)halo0073 Wrote: you must have a most lovable weiner;)
Or a most lovable pheromone signature...
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - halo0073 - 09-26-2012 1:21 PM
(09-26-2012 1:18 PM)Fly So Hi Wrote: Or a most lovable pheromone signature...
I'm going with weiner. Lots of guys are walking around with these mones on but you don't hear of many weiner yanks going down. Ha ha. Just writing that makes me laugh.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - Fly So Hi - 09-26-2012 1:21 PM
(09-26-2012 1:17 PM)thundr Wrote: Ive gone moneless and had more hits than when I have had on mones. I look back and realize I didnt even put on any today and Im getting hits like I was wearing product x. Its all about interaction and what the individual brings forth.
Agree! But not everyone has a natural game like you. That's where mones can help.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - Fly So Hi - 09-26-2012 1:25 PM
(09-26-2012 1:21 PM)halo0073 Wrote: I'm going with weiner. Lots of guys are walking around with these mones on but you don't hear of many weiner yanks going down. Ha ha. Just writing that makes me laugh.
On a side note, recently i had this girl telling me she loved my junior because it was not very big and it gave her so much pleasure.
As a guy, I'm not sure until this day if i take that as a compliment or an insult.
._o
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - MangoEruption - 09-26-2012 2:02 PM
Hmm, I in a way agree with both of you Thundr and Fly So High. I have to say that when I first started out with mones, I was socially inept and expected some great things to happen. I was wrong and now see how they work.
What did I do to see if mones were working? I tried talking a bit more to people and realized that my interactions were just a little easier than before and have a much bigger presence now. I agree wholeheartedly that mones are a crutch but, they can also be social training wheels. The more I use mones, the more I slowly become the actual mone signature. I can't really tell if its the mones, a placebo effect or if just coming out of my shell.
I will say this about how mones affect my interactions, they provide a nudge to either me or a person in my cloud to initiate contact. That nudge seems pretty insignificant and in a way it is, but I find myself in random conversations with people now and I know after 5-10 minutes I've made a new friend. That little nudge to bring/attract people in to me is very powerful, so I think it is helping out anywhere from 0-15% depending how I feel and want from people.
Hope that makes sense to people, my .02.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - Dafixisin - 09-26-2012 3:09 PM
Whatever % mones can be attributed to, it seems that in many cases it's that % that pushes things past whatever sticking points might exist.
I'm not sure I can begin guesstimating what % to ascribe to Aqua Vitae at the gym, when I'm in the middle of working out, minding my own business, when I look up to see a lovely Latina giving me the Deer in the headlights stare. What's the % on that?
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - thundr - 09-26-2012 3:21 PM
(09-26-2012 2:02 PM)MangoEruption Wrote: ... they can also be social training wheels. The more I use mones, the more I slowly become the actual mone signature.
I like where this thread is going. It was designed to get some input on what ppl want from pheromones. Your above statement is absolutely correct Mango IMHO.
When I first started, after my first aha moment, I began to see mones as a crutch. Something to aid/manipulate everyday interaction whether it be at the club or at work. I see things a bit differently now after some months have passed.
It is nothing but a cologne but also it is a mindset development tool. I could personally care less about how others get used to my signature. I switch signatures up all the time. I might rethink this when I get a SO I am serious about. I do not wear mones around my son at all and that is a personal choice.
The overall benefit is to me and what I gain from it. I know that sounds a bit selfish, but I am not trying to develop strangers as much as I am interested in my own progression.
The mentality is what I am after now. The experience. Observing situations that can be attributed to mones that are indirectly because of me. What is the sword worth without the hand that wields it correctly? What is the pheromonal reaction worth if the body is not there to make the lasting impression/imprint? It is us that make these little chemicals work. Without us they are nothing but liquid in jars.
I can 100% say that I have benefited from the use of pheromones. Like Mango said, its a form of training wheels to become subjected/accustomed to situations that are shall we say a bit "abnormal." By fielding and handling these experiences we are in fact teaching ourselves how to process certain situations that may deviate from our perceived "norm." I have received shit tests I would not normally have dealt with had it not been for mones. Sexual situations I have never been into or developed without Terrys iron wood pills and varying doses of New Pheromone Additive. The raw amount of talking that Glace creates. The admiration of Wolf. The rigidity and clingyness of C4. The comfort of Androstadienone and L2k. All add to a collective level of consciousness.
I wondered today if someone were to ask me to go out to the club like I had AV on would I be able to accomplish this? Based on my experience and memory imprint I know I could do it. The mind is more powerful than these chemicals and we are in fact using them as training wheels for our own social development. Well said Mango.
Heres a bit of personal info. I have assumed the responsibility of many types of roles whether it be by my choice or involuntarily. Strangely my eyes have seen more than its share and I feel like I have lived many lives in this short time so far. Not sure if it has to do with what Ive been through or how much memory I have accumulated. Either way it has made me who I am and I grew form each and every one. I feel this adventure with pheromones is no different. It is adding to me.
An example, I have done different types of work and mone products are no different. I had a different mentality when I was blue collar wearing camo shorts and a tshirt as compared to when I was white collar wearing a suit. Even now as I put my scrubs on everyday to help people I have a certain mindset on what I am to do, how I am to act, what I can say and cannot, etc. My bosses are different, the customers are different, and yet I must adapt to each and every one of the differing scenarios. If I do not do this I fail and failure is not an option for me. It happens but I dont like that shit and it makes me mad.
Mones are the same way. We are adapting. When I do not wear mones, I still have the mindset of how to handle certain situations. Im learning to open more, handle more, learn more, observe more.
We are fancy sociologists who smell damn good and whose experiences allow for us to learn about ourselves as well as others in the process. However we cannot rely on them as Pheroman once eloquently said "they are nothing more than tools in the toolbox". The things we create and shape with these tools are up to us but we cannot let them control or define us.
The house is only as good as the simple hammer that creates it swung by the skill of the carpenter wielding it. The hammer does not define the carpenter, it is the work he creates within himself by advancing his trade that defines who he is.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - AlternativeGirl - 09-26-2012 3:25 PM
Even if I really ran a study of what percentage of increase (in compliments, sexual innuendos, random people smiling at me, increase in free stuff, or whatever variable) I saw on days I wore mones vs control days....
(And there are plenty of great studies on this sort of thing. Increased snuggling from males courting girls wearing est and cops is one of my favorites)
...
We are (probably) never going to have statistical evidence for the percentage of how much mones factor into the equation of my social interactions.
We do have statistical evidence for the placebo effect though...
Maybe, if you think they are powerful enough to influence your interactions by 50%, it will increase something by 50%.
But, I'll always be of the opinion that it is the driver in the driver seat that is steering the opperation. The mones are just a really nice lubricant.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - Pheroman - 09-26-2012 5:25 PM
(09-26-2012 12:00 PM)thundr Wrote: "I was raised in the woods by a pack of badgers, are there any products that can get me laid tonight at a club?"
No. You belong in a zoo not a club.
I snuk in cause they would'nt take me.
The lions, tigers and bears got really agitated and started growling and licking their lips trying to get closer. I think they were hits.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - xxx - 09-27-2012 11:25 AM
10% mones is very generous, i agree with thundr. This is through my own experience. Alot depends on how we carry ourselves .
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - seeusmile - 09-30-2012 6:08 AM
Pheromones will still be a mystery.... Well atleast for me ^_^.
Remembering from Tisha's threads. I like to think of pheromones as adding some 'spice, flavor and texture' to whatever the situation is intended for.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - AlternativeGirl - 09-30-2012 10:19 AM
Yum!!
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - Pagodeiro - 09-30-2012 10:28 AM
As good as the tool is ... as good as you are ...
the better you know how to use the tool ... the more valueable the tool becomes for you ...
it always depends on the context you're using the mones .. have you chosen the right stuff ... do you know what effects it will have in that situation .. can you adapt yourself on what the mone causes ... etc .. etc ..
i do not like the idea of are mones 10% or 50% ...
for me it's important .. can they give me the extra edge i need in a situation ...
just an example .... sometimes good game is all with women... sometimes you do not need game ... now somebody comes along and says that Game makes only 10% ...
Pago
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - bored4life - 10-01-2012 10:18 AM
Wow this is an awesome thread. I love reminiscing about the good old days, setting myself up for the days to come. I remember when I first stumbled onto PT seeing an advertisement about Erox or something. Prompted me to do a Google search, and I'm now part of the community that allowed me to achieve more personal growth in 4 months than I achieved in the last year. I dove into a world that, in my opinion, adds the icing and cherry on top of the cake.
I can attest to everything Mango and Thundr have said. It's all evidenced there in my journal for you guys. This whole world allowed me an introspective glance that I never thought possible. I have never shaped up this quickly ever. My senses are more keen, I'm more in tune with myself and interactions going on around me. I tend to listen more than I talk, and when I talk (most of the time) it's after clear, well-thought out processes.
Damn do the blatant hits work, but I don't think you can attribute a %, like some here have said, to how much mones help or don't help. When I got my blatant ass hits, I'm pretty sure it was 85-90%. When I made the mones work, they helped me steer things in a different direction giving me 2-5% max. Its not about these bullshit percentages and how much they should help and how much they shouldn't. Mones should NEVER be your to-go when you aren't congruent or ready to do so. They should, IMHO, be a social engineering tool, that you use for fun, or to kind of steer things in your favor (if the situation calls for it like work).
Just like the title, too many people are having unrealistic expectations from this, just because a select few (AS3) have almost turned their life around with them. But again, even he evolved as a person, rather just depending on them.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - TwistedOstrich - 10-05-2012 11:00 AM
I see pheromones has having a bigger flag then everyone else, and depending on what I'm targeting I'm flagging people over. Like said, a tool.
Now depending on how much you rely on other skill sets and tools effects what percentage pheromones may help you.
In my case I don't have any 'game' I'm just friendly and easygoing, genuine. In looks wise some cases women like how I look and I'm aware of alpha behaviors.
Before I started using I wouldn't get with women much in all honestly. Some what introverted, more like a Sheldon off Big Bang Theory. Thinking and rationalizing all the time, absolute.
When using I've had ridiculous conversations that lead to going home with each other within the first 5min of meeting. These women are looking for something and they spot my flag... Given I'm not using any other tools other then my looks and smile, pheromones takes a big chunk of enabling and lubricating the situation.
Let me note, I'm not really looking for easy women. While yes I want to connect sometime I am looking for something on a more grander scale.
Now a new user that doesn't have a handle on themselves let alone being congruent with a new signature they are putting out would be around 10%. They have yet to build a synergy that allows the pheromones to amplify the qualities already possessed/lacking.
(09-30-2012 10:28 AM)Pagodeiro Wrote: As good as the tool is ... as good as you are ...
the better you know how to use the tool ... the more valueable the tool becomes for you ...
i do not like the idea of are mones 10% or 50% ...
for me it's important .. can they give me the extra edge i need in a situation ...
Pago
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - fluffygirl12 - 10-05-2012 12:27 PM
Its just like the Pareto Principle - also called the 80/20 rule in business : 20 % of effort brings 80 % of results . It can be the little bit extra that pushes the interaction to a whole new plane , or helps to improve your relationship just enough to steer it back to the positive IF you find the right combination that BOTH you and the other person/people respond to .
I have used lots of products and blends that didn't work as expected , or didn't work at all , or even had a slightly negative result . Once in a while though I stumble upon results so obviously and continuously positive , that for me at least it confirms the science/effects. It also has given me knowledge WHY the ones who don't work for me are wrong . Its almost like combining your biochemical profile with your psychological profile and cross referencing it with your partners' or the other people around you. If you observe long enough what works and what doesn't , you can figure out the blueprint.
It's easier to get them to work with people you know than with strangers , except for the Socials , which in my opinion are THE most important ones , that set the stage for all other products .
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - majesty - 10-05-2012 6:50 PM
I've only had a run of a month or so with Glace, which has been my starting point. That being said, my expectations were low and were blown away.
I've always spend a lot of time reflecting on my attitude and goals, and these are foremost affective of any "results" I've ever seen in my life. I have a pretty solid self concept, and clearly defined goals. However there are some boundaries that seem just elusive, a glass ceiling of sorts. But pheromones seem to upset the state of things.
Glace has helped me to break down this fourth wall in what (unscientific) trials I've run. It doesn't create conversation, but it does invite it where otherwise prohibited by convention. Because it's a goal of mine to meet people, or meet people on a deeper plane, this is a huge outcome. "Unrealistic expectations" may well be "undefined expectations" for some people, or certainly a little bit of both.
My first order of Wolf is due to arrive tomorrow. I'm def looking forward to it.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - Androaura - 10-31-2012 4:16 PM
(09-26-2012 12:00 PM)thundr Wrote: This post is not directed to anyone or anything in particular. It is a generalized observation that is intent on the understanding of what pheromones do and do not do.
I want to make it clear that pheromones are nothing more than fancy cologne. It is an accessory that is meant to accentuate an existing persona/aura. They are not magic. This is not an axe commercial. They do not work miracles. You cannot put on pheromones and be transported to a land that is meant only for hollywood movies and commercials.
"Urgent Help needed. This morning I walked into the office of my boss and punched him in the face. Is there a pheromone that will get me out of trouble?"
No. You are in it up to your knees and probably soon to be unemployed. Make adult decisions, get adult results.
"My cat climbed up a tree and can't get down. Are there any combinations of pheromones I can put on me that will make it come down faster?"
No. Call the local fire department or bait it with cat treats.
"I was raised in the woods by a pack of badgers, are there any products that can get me laid tonight at a club?"
No. You belong in a zoo not a club.
"I am working hard to better myself and would like something extra to give me a slight edge on the competition whether it be in the club, office, or at home."
Yes. Read some reviews find out what you are looking to achieve and many here will be happy to help you learn.
Look, pheromones are not magic bullets. They represent at max 10% of the aura you project. That leaves 90% up to YOU. Of that 10%, there is a fraction that is a variable that is dependent on the personality type, race, gender, current mood, etc. of the people you will be interacting with.
To be honest, the overall effect of these little chemicals are rather insignificant compared to the aura you project to the rest of the world. Sure, some subtleties will peek through but the majority of the work has to be done by the wearer. One must realize that if your personality does not represent what you are trying to portray to the world, you are in essence.. just an actor in some perceived axe commercial.
Basically in a nutshell you get out of pheromones what you put into the world yourself. The more of YOU that is placed into reality, the less you are dependent on mones and are able to have fun with it as a sociological hobby, not dire necessity to overshadow laziness and major personality flaws.
Nothing is free.
This is a great topic. I feel that personally as a new user to 'mones whom also is not skilled in PUA, I feel I experience a different quality during interactions while wearing the 'mones. Beautiful windows of a new kind of communication between two or more people within an event which may be opened temporarily by the presence of some specific pheromones.
For example, as if looking at them as influencing a situation. You and your target both playing your own melody and the pheromone component harmonizing the counter melodies of the people involved and those moods being most likely to harmonize into the intended direction transitioning... into whether together you are playing with your individual melodies into a possible resultant pleasing social, sexual harmony or even an emotional dissonance. As an overall overview of the circumstance.
These new transitions into new zones of interaction all in themself can create an afterward introspective viewpoint of reflection which allows a more seamless extroversion when out in public during future activities as far as I know for myself.
Perhaps for some, it isn't until one has depended on the pheromones for sometime to various degrees that their approach truly does become solid enough for those 'mones to become that small level of % which after your body is accustomed to handling living through those different phero signatures into multiple successful outcomes that one gains the insight into how to handle what used to seem completely solid with a limited availability of option and make it into something much more malleable and full of life.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - bondjames1 - 10-21-2013 10:55 PM
nice post...
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - Being - 10-22-2013 5:39 AM
(09-26-2012 12:00 PM)thundr Wrote: This post is not directed to anyone or anything in particular. It is a generalized observation that is intent on the understanding of what pheromones do and do not do.
...
Look, pheromones are not magic bullets. They represent at max 10% of the aura you project. That leaves 90% up to YOU. Of that 10%, there is a fraction that is a variable that is dependent on the personality type, race, gender, current mood, etc. of the people you will be interacting with.
To be honest, the overall effect of these little chemicals are rather insignificant compared to the aura you project to the rest of the world. Sure, some subtleties will peek through but the majority of the work has to be done by the wearer. One must realize that if your personality does not represent what you are trying to portray to the world, you are in essence.. just an actor in some perceived axe commercial.
Basically in a nutshell you get out of pheromones what you put into the world yourself. The more of YOU that is placed into reality, the less you are dependent on mones and are able to have fun with it as a sociological hobby, not dire necessity to overshadow laziness and major personality flaws.
Nothing is free.
Very funny to see that As3, the king of posts here, and many others thanked you, thundr, for this statement, while when I read As3 and most other members journals and reports the "Axe commercial" shrivels into nothingness compared to their experiences. If it is mainly "game/attitude" or "personal possessions (included status)" that gets women drop their panties why then report on the Phero forum all those spectacular "hits"? LMAO
Hey guys and ladies, lets be clear, I don't wanna ridicule your comments here, I appreciate and enjoy them very much, but sometimes I see such contradictions that it's hard to keep my mouth shut...
If I have to put a percentage on the effect of mones on my life, honestly I couldn't, I'm only experimenting with them for two months or so and the variables are so complex, nevertheless, it fascinates me and I certainly will continue testing them.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - alphavitea - 10-22-2013 9:24 AM
Time for me to chime in. I have seen little or no effect with some combos on some women. Even with pretty good game and attitude. On the flip side I have seen obvious huge hits with zero effort and average game.
I think attaching a percentage to it is silly and highly subjective. One girl i still talk to I met for three minutes am she stuck to me like glue with kino and vocally saying how attracted to me she was. Out of nowhere. Totally the mones. No question.
Point is there are so many different types of women, venue, menstruated cycles, full moon whatever that to put a number on how much the mones work doesn't hold water.
You can't expect the mones to work miracles but sometimes they do. But the best avicenis to come with strong game and good happy energy for best results.
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - Pheroman - 10-22-2013 5:58 PM
Dear Thundr,
Can mones help my situation?
"Uncle Jed looks at me funny when he plays the banjo."
RE: Unrealistic Expectations - andreww - 04-29-2016 5:46 AM
it can be 80% mones - 20% you - if you are overdose (eg. too much androstenone) right?
CMIIW