Since I started using mones I have retained a cool head and I have felt really good inside. All the products I tried have performed almost miraculously and if used properly produce some of the most amazing hits. I am an absolute believer and will continue my usage for the foreseeable future. One thing I learned is not to overdo it for the best results.

Dienone vs certo:

I have used androstadienone many many times with great results and no headaches or depression. My wife reacts strongly to Dienone and always ends up being real close to me and last night while wearing it we had an amazing heart to heart about our marriage and future (between hot hot sex) now I have had certo since the beginning and I have to say that this is one product that causes me grief. Whenever I wear this I feel beta and insecure and from that insecurity builds anger. Weird.
What I can't figure out is what is in certo other than Dienone that can cause this. Some have said that I overdosed and got too much Dienone bu I have used Dienone as high as five drops with no ill selfeffects and wonderful results from wifey. The last bad reaction from certo I used too much at 4 sprays. What is the comparison of certo and Dienone wih regards to amounts. How much is in each spray of certo compared to my 5mg/10ml Dienone from love scents. Could something else cause me to feel shitty and unconfident. Or is the most likely molecule the Dienone.

Androstadienone depression hits me hard too. I haven't got certo, but I do have True Love which definitely makes me feel insecure and beta... even if I try to buffer it out with happier molecules.

I'm not sure if its the Androstadienone alone, but it has EST in it too which might be contributing to the effect. It works great on the targets though. I am trying to figure out a dosage of pregnenolone which would counter the negative effects.

Also, you have Nude -- I am going to order it shortly to add to a "fallout" mix I have been working/improving for the last few months. Would you be able to elaborate on some of the effects?

(03-21-2013 10:57 AM)phertest Wrote:  Androstadienone depression hits me hard too. I haven't got certo, but I do have True Love which definitely makes me feel insecure and beta... even if I try to buffer it out with happier molecules.

I'm not sure if its the Androstadienone alone, but it has EST in it too which might be contributing to the effect. It works great on the targets though. I am trying to figure out a dosage of pregnenolone which would counter the negative effects.

Also, you have Nude -- I am going to order it shortly to add to a "fallout" mix I have been working/improving for the last few months. Would you be able to elaborate on some of the effects?

I only have nude sample and the effects that I see are best described as slightly sexual. I don't have enough time with this one to accurately describe its effects. I have seen the fallout effect with ascend and evolve together. As well as ascend and av together. This is in a bar setting and I don't think there can be one mix for fallout with all women. Some women want sex and will fallout with the sexual mixes and some fallout because they are searching for more connection and so on. So far the fallouts I have seen were from my dominant alpha sexuality an congruent mones and not from anything spiritual. Just straight sexual dominance.

Forgive me if this is way basic, but you usually apply dienone on in drops. You usually spray certo? What if you poured it into a dropper?

I believe pago recommends dropping it rather than spraying too - I wonder why this makes a difference though... I have like 3 bottles of alpha dream Androstadienone , and I'm ordering some more neno to mix up soon. I'm going to try and find out a ratio which cancels out the depression more accurately from Androstadienone ... then I'm going to add it to my TL bottle to see if I still get the depressive beta effects. It would be quite awesome having the TL kick without negatives.

i am seriously considering getting pregnenolone for sure. this sounds like a great molecule and if it can get my certo to behave then i am all for that. my wife likes it and that is what matters

(03-22-2013 2:34 PM)Nicola3 Wrote:  i am seriously considering getting pregnenolone for sure. this sounds like a great molecule and if it can get my certo to behave then i am all for that. my wife likes it and that is what matters

Beware of using a lot of neno around your wife. It makes me very emotional and high strung. I have had big crying fits while using it.

(03-22-2013 3:21 PM)halo0073 Wrote:  Beware of using a lot of neno around your wife. It makes me very emotional and high strung. I have had big crying fits while using it.

Wow! Thanks for the info Halo. What dosage?

(03-22-2013 3:33 PM)wiserd Wrote:  Wow! Thanks for the info Halo. What dosage?

I never went higher than 50 or 60 Mcg

(03-22-2013 3:37 PM)halo0073 Wrote:  I never went higher than 50 or 60 Mcg

Thanks.

I think I get the best social results with significantly less than 1 mcg. Maybe .1mcg or .2mcg. At the >1mcg level, neno messed up every mix that had a trace of Androstenone in it.