My bottle of Androstenetrione supplements arrived from House of Muscle today! It's sold in 500mg capsules as an aromatase inhibitor (to prevent testosterone from being converted into estrogen).

Two caps went straight into my measuring vial along with 10mL of fractionated coconut oil, and I'll allow it to continue brewing for another day or two. In the meantime I figured I'd round up any information we might have laying around about this new mystery molecule. Thing is, there's only been one reference to it in the history of this forum

Here it is, from SteveO's keyboard to your wide eyes:

Quote:One chemical I have been researching is androstenetrione which I do believe to be P86.

That's enough to make it worth testing, as Steve certainly knows a thing or two, and P86 is a highly regarded putative. Here's the entry for P86 from PheroQuirk's Mix Guide spreadsheet.

Quote:talk show host; blender. A314+P93+p86 would be quite
interesting... charismatic... (tacitus)

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P86 is known for its beautifying effects. When you wear it, the people around you look more attractive and the wearer seems to appear more attractive to the people around him or her. This effect has been noticed by many observers. I believe I was the first to call attention to this effect. Wildflower calls P86 the crush pheromone. P86 definitely has more sensual and attractant qualities than just the "Shallow Hal" or "Instant Airbrush" effect.


Sedation as an unwanted P86 effect

One of the problems with P86 is that many people find it has a sedating quality on themselves and sometimes people around them. Not everybody experiences this. I definitely do. But it's worth it. I just drink a double latte before using P86 . This, however, is no solution insofar as P86 affects people around the wearer.

In a bedroom setting, where P86 enhances intimacy, I have not found the "sedating" effect to be a problem. P86 creates a relaxing effect which is totally appropriate for lounging around the bedroom with one's lover. I have not found the effects of P86 to strongly encourage sleep, just relaxation. It definitely depresses any sense of vigilance. If one wishes to transition to or from dinner or a club, the sedating effect of P86 is a problem, "Quick, waiter, a strong cup of coffee, before my date decides I'm feeble minded!"
"- Warren

As the effects of this putative have been rather pronounced, it should become clear relatively quickly whether Androstenetrione is our winner.

I can't wait to hear about this! I've been wanting to try p86 but it probably won't be back in stock anytime soon. I guess I can just make my own.

did you get to test this yet?

Nope, haven't put on a single spray of this one yet. I'm thinking maybe I'll try this next after I get done figuring out pregnenolone.

If you've got a US address, PM it to me and I'll send you a capsule in an envelope. You'll still need the diluent and everything.

(05-01-2011 8:36 PM)dbot Wrote:  Nope, haven't put on a single spray of this one yet. I'm thinking maybe I'll try this next after I get done figuring out pregnenolone.

If you've got a US address, PM it to me and I'll send you a capsule in an envelope. You'll still need the diluent and everything.

Wow, thank you! I will pm you now!

Why are you using coconut oil? Can perfumers alcohol or ethanol be used instead?

Yeah, alcohol should work great.

PA is a little tough to come by where I live and FCO seems to work well. Anything with solvent properties should work. I'm going to try a batch with PA pretty soon to see if it ends up more potent and/or more uniform.

Did I see P86?

Boy did I make some great brews with that one. Off the top of the head P86, Taa, P93, P83, P79, None. I think it was close to Mx292. Did get a free bottle a bit back but not the Mcgs I needed to make that mix. Glad you posted this! Might look into this when I get done working my 80 hour work weeks to play with.

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Did I see P86?

I've tried this at 12.5mcg twice so far, and definitely noticed some kind of sensory-enhancement effect. I've never tested P86, but these very preliminary experiences have been consistent with those reported by P86 users. I'm very much looking forward to testing this molecule further.

(05-09-2011 1:58 PM)dbot Wrote:  I've tried this at 12.5mcg twice so far, and definitely noticed some kind of sensory-enhancement effect. I've never tested P86, but these very preliminary experiences have been consistent with those reported by P86 users. I'm very much looking forward to testing this molecule further.

Dbot, it's simple, take 40-50mcg and look in a mirror, or are the people prettier? That would be incredible, P86 for zippo...!!!