I need some help understanding the uses of Estratetraenol in mixes.

To my understanding Estratetraenol is derived from women's urine.

According to this article: http://www.pnas.org/content/102/20/7356.full, Estratetraenol is not processed in the brain as a pheromone by women and homosexuals.

I was wondering why big pheromone companies are using Estratetraenol in mixes.

Doesn't it make a man smell and give off chemical signals that they are a woman?

Is the addition of Estratetraenol (which is derived from women's urine) to mixes ruining a mans chances of getting laid?

(10-02-2013 8:48 PM)Paradox Wrote:  I need some help understanding the uses of Estratetraenol in mixes.

To my understanding Estratetraenol is derived from women's urine.

According to this article: http://www.pnas.org/content/102/20/7356.full, Estratetraenol is not processed in the brain as a pheromone by women and homosexuals.

I was wondering why big pheromone companies are using Estratetraenol in mixes.

Doesn't it make a man smell and give off chemical signals that they are a woman?



Is the addition of Estratetraenol (which is derived from women's urine) to mixes ruining a mans chances of getting laid?

It's to take the edge off of the more masculine molecules so to reduce any aggressiveness from males, It's all about the ratio's, a small amount of est can smooth out a relatively large amount of none and make it much more acceptable to use in male company. It also plays an important role in the self effects of a mix as it is a fantastic mood booster.

est on it's own or mixed with just socials ( true love) will 9 times out of 10 totally ruin your chances of getting laid but as A small component to a much more masculine mix (wmb) it can be a useful addition.

(10-03-2013 3:52 AM)Blade Wrote:  It's to take the edge off of the more masculine molecules so to reduce any aggressiveness from males, It's all about the ratio's, a small amount of est can smooth out a relatively large amount of none and make it much more acceptable to use in male company. It also plays an important role in the self effects of a mix as it is a fantastic mood booster.

est on it's own or mixed with just socials ( true love) will 9 times out of 10 totally ruin your chances of getting laid but as A small component to a much more masculine mix (wmb) it can be a useful addition.

I'm wondering if the amount of EST in WMB and other male products feminizes the wearer too much.

I'm wondering if even a small amount of EST in any mix no matter how masculine the mix is causes targets to percieve a female instead of a male signature.

Looking back now I think MX297 by Androtics contained EST. No matter what you added to MX297 you were absolutely not going to get laid while wearing it.

I would put forward the theory that EST gives a BFF vibe and thus prevents sexual interaction.

(10-03-2013 10:45 AM)Paradox Wrote:  I'm wondering if the amount of EST in WMB and other male products feminizes the wearer too much.

I'm wondering if even a small amount of EST in any mix no matter how masculine the mix is causes targets to percieve a female instead of a male signature.

Looking back now I think MX297 by Androtics contained EST. No matter what you added to MX297 you were absolutely not going to get laid while wearing it.

I would put forward the theory that EST gives a BFF vibe and thus prevents sexual interaction.

Iv got laid with wmb several times and judging from the reviews a lot of the vets seem to like it a lot, surely if the product was giving off a feminine signature you would be treated like A beta male at the very least which is certainly not the case, again I think it's all down to ratio's.

(10-03-2013 2:29 PM)Blade Wrote:  Iv got laid with wmb several times and judging from the reviews a lot of the vets seem to like it a lot, surely if the product was giving off a feminine signature you would be treated like A beta male at the very least which is certainly not the case, again I think it's all down to ratio's.

Ok cool. However, If you are a veteran you may remember WMB before the EST was added. I remember reading some complaints from users after the formula was changed and EST was added.

I guess as long as the formula works then whay change it except to make it work better. Thanks for the input.

Is there any recommending ratio with social mones, such as a-nol, b-nol?

I'm trying a social mix with a-nol(20mcg), b-nol(7.5mcg), and a-thdoc(0.2mcg) with Estratetraenol (15mcg). It seems that the mix is smoothing out interpersonal interactions, ie. easy to talk, though I'm worrying about cancelling the "alpha" type vibe.

Thank you for your input in advance!

(10-03-2013 3:12 PM)Paradox Wrote:  Ok cool. However, If you are a veteran you may remember WMB before the EST was added. I remember reading some complaints from users after the formula was changed and EST was added.

I guess as long as the formula works then whay change it except to make it work better. Thanks for the input.

Nah I'm no vet,

From what brad said they didn't change the formula in the end and the original has always contained est, they added extra est took away the oxy and called it wingman blue label.

I would copy the link but my phones not letting me for some reason. It's on page 4 of the Hax review forum at the moment.

(10-04-2013 3:47 AM)Blade Wrote:  Nah I'm no vet,

From what brad said they didn't change the formula in the end and the original has always contained est, they added extra est took away the oxy and called it wingman blue label.

I would copy the link but my phones not letting me for some reason. It's on page 4 of the Hax review forum at the moment.

Found it:
Hi JAYCEE, Thanks for your inquiry. The Black Label is exactly the same and continues to be one of our best sellers. We figured we better not mess with it! It's actually the one I wear 90% of the time.

With the new site, we were trying to bring all of our products together, so we ended up dropping the old Wingman Edge (red label) and adding a Blue Label, which is the Black without Oxy and extra EST. There are some other differences, but that's the biggest difference.

I hope this helps. Thanks again for your support!

Brad


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Looks like Hax is next on my testing list then.

If you use too many socials of any kind for a great length without at least some androstenone, you risk getting friendzoned. Sexual tension. You need some, or women see you as a eunuch. 2.5 mcg will do it. The trick is well-buffered None. Pure stuff has kind of a cruel, brute quality. It really is damned tough to make a good buffered Androstenone product that is sexy sexual but not too cold or severe. The good ones you come off as suave and hot. Pure none is like a horny Mike Tyson or rough porn.