I know many users who have been using Dbot's method and testing homemade pheromone sprays.

If you have been getting poor results it may be because your supply is made up of rice filler and houseplants.

Read below


http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/03...lers/?_r=0


The New York State attorney general’s office accused four major retailers on Monday of selling fraudulent and potentially dangerous herbal supplements and demanded that they remove the products from their shelves.

The authorities said they had conducted tests on top-selling store brands of herbal supplements at four national retailers — GNC, Target, Walgreens and Walmart — and found that four out of five of the products did not contain any of the herbs on their labels. The tests showed that pills labeled medicinal herbs often contained little more than cheap fillers like powdered rice, asparagus and houseplants, and in some cases substances that could be dangerous to those with allergies.

The investigation came as a welcome surprise to health experts who have long complained about the quality and safety of dietary supplements, which are exempt from the strict regulatory oversight applied to prescription drugs.

The Food and Drug Administration has targeted individual supplements found to contain dangerous ingredients. But the announcement Monday was the first time that a law enforcement agency had threatened the biggest retail and drugstore chains with legal action for selling what it said were deliberately misleading herbal products.

Among the attorney general’s findings was a popular store brand of ginseng pills at Walgreens, promoted for “physical endurance and vitality,” that contained only powdered garlic and rice. At Walmart, the authorities found that its ginkgo biloba, a Chinese plant promoted as a memory enhancer, contained little more than powdered radish, houseplants and wheat — despite a claim on the label that the product was wheat- and gluten-free.

Three out of six herbal products at Target — ginkgo biloba, St. John’s wort and valerian root, a sleep aid — tested negative for the herbs on their labels. But they did contain powdered rice, beans, peas and wild carrots. And at GNC, the agency said, it found pills with unlisted ingredients used as fillers, like powdered legumes, the class of plants that includes peanuts and soybeans, a hazard for people with allergies.

The attorney general sent the four retailers cease-and-desist letters on Monday and demanded that they explain what procedures they use to verify the ingredients in their supplements.

“Mislabeling, contamination and false advertising are illegal,” said Eric T. Schneiderman, the state attorney general. “They also pose unacceptable risks to New York families — especially those with allergies to hidden ingredients.”

The attorney general’s investigation was prompted by an article in the New York Times in 2013 that raised questions about widespread labeling fraud in the supplement industry. The article referred to research at the University of Guelph in Canada that found that as many as a third of herbal supplements tested did not contain the plants listed on their labels — only cheap fillers instead.

Industry representatives have argued that any problems are caused by a handful of companies on the fringe of the industry. But New York’s investigation specifically targeted store brands at the nation’s drugstore and retail giants, which suggests that the problems are widespread.

“If this data is accurate, then it is an unbelievably devastating indictment of the industry,” said Dr. Pieter Cohen, an assistant professor at Harvard Medical School and an expert on supplement safety. “We’re talking about products at mainstream retailers like Walmart and Walgreens that are expected to be the absolute highest quality.”

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Wow I am glad you posted that! Good find

Of the brands listed, the only one I'm familiar with is Spring Valley, sold at Walmart. I've never used it, but it featured prominently on the supplements aisle. I wonder if there's been any issue with Nature's Sunshine. That's one I've used a lot in the past, particularly St. John's Wort and melatonin.

I only get supplements from well respected and tested companies like Solgar or Lamberts.A very informed doctor told me you can't even trust the pharmaceutical brands, he knows many scandals from known companies that didn't have what they listed.Imagine what is happening with all those bodybuilding brands.I send him links of 2 of me most popular bodybuilding multivitamins and he said me there is no chance, not even 1/1000, to have what they list at that price.They usually have one factory in USA that is up to the standards and all the rest in Pakistan etc selling only a portion of what the are listing.People see intense yellow urine (from the B excretion) and are convinced that it must be legit.Also complete chemical analysis costs 10000 or so, so review sites that supposed to have tested them could also be in the game or just test from the control factory.

He told me about a scandal some years back, from a pharmaceutical providing cancer drug to hospitals in Cyprus, the drug proved to be fake.

(02-14-2015 9:13 AM)stefdude Wrote:  I only get supplements from well respected and tested companies like Solgar or Lamberts.A very informed doctor told me you can't even trust the pharmaceutical brands, he knows many scandals from known companies that didn't have what they listed.Imagine what is happening with all those bodybuilding brands.I send him links of 2 of me most popular bodybuilding multivitamins and he said me there is no chance, not even 1/1000, to have what they list at that price.They usually have one factory in USA that is up to the standards and all the rest in Pakistan etc selling only a portion of what the are listing.People see intense yellow urine (from the B excretion) and are convinced that it must be legit.Also complete chemical analysis costs 10000 or so, so review sites that supposed to have tested them could also be in the game or just test from the control factory.

He told me about a scandal some years back, from a pharmaceutical providing cancer drug to hospitals in Cyprus, the drug proved to be fake.

I have a feeling that this thing is much more widespread than the few brands listed in this article. Supplement companies may be robbing consumers to the tune of billions of dollars.

Companies have become so dishonest and then they cry foul when the government enacts laws and regulations governing their practices.

I've read stories about muscle supplements also.

One poster at bodybuilding.com wrote:

Quote:I bought a 55 dollar bottle of 3,6,17-Androstenetrione , and a 45 dollar bottle of

Ok, I tried some pricey supplements over the internet, temporary insanity I guess, but oh well. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice , shame on me. Just posting this so you don't have to get fooled once.

The 3,6,17-Androstenetrione doesn't do anything. I even took 3 times the dosage and it did absolutely nothing. It has all these scientific experimental analysis's and it's all complex bull****, it does absolutely nothing.

I popped open the capsules and the substance inside appears to be white jello, tasteless gelatin of some sort. I doubt i'll get my money back, I will report back whether they will refund your money or not.

I also bought some of the Dianobol, from Zoelabs, or also they sell it under *********.com. This is another scam from what I can tell, I think it's just some gellatin and cornstarch stamped into a pill.

I read some of these supplement companies are getting class action lawsuits filed against them, so I guess lawyers are good for something. But of course, there thousands of supplements out there that don't do squat, these are just two of them...

So I think that this problem is so widespread that no one really knows the extent of the fraud.

Buying a more reputable brand definitely is a good idea; there are also online stores that sell pure bulk powders (powdercity, etc). I recommend anyone doing a pill extraction for a steroid hormone (pregnenolone, 7-keto, etc) do a recrystallization. You may not be sure it's the right compound, but you should get a predictable amount of an active ingredient if there's anything in it at all. I posted pictures back in the day: http://pherotruth.org/Thread-The-Poor-Ma...nts?page=8